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All spice now illegal today.
#14047422 - 03/01/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just seen it on the news. And i just bought some.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll] 3
#14047430 - 03/01/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Srsly?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14047439 - 03/01/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its not illegal in my state yet but I dont like that shit so i dont really care about it
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: koraks]
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: RandomHero]
#14047449 - 03/01/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JWH isn't that great unless you're on probation or something, and even then, its becoming more and more popular to test for spice.
Weed > Spice
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: RandomHero]
#14047455 - 03/01/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandomHero said: its not illegal in my state yet but I dont like that shit so i dont really care about it
This is Federal, so unless you live outside the U.S., it is illegal*
*technically, the chemical compounds are Schedule I, not necessarily "spice".
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: badchad]
#14047459 - 03/01/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nevermind
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14047468 - 03/01/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never even tried spice  Still stupid that it's illegal, but not a loss for me personally.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14047494 - 03/01/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just don't know if they mean just the jwh018 or even the knockoffs like Super Cush?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14047520 - 03/01/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really only see a couple articles out there and no official statement. What gives?
They say that "spice" is banned, but what of the synthetic powders themselves? And which ones?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14047532 - 03/01/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Noo, they kept the same 5 compounds and banned those. You can still get a g of jwh for 20 bucks
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll]
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theblackhole said: I just don't know if they mean just the jwh018 or even the knockoffs like Super Cush?
JWH-018 (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole), is Schedule I. This includes any products containing it.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: badchad]
#14047557 - 03/01/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This was a long time in the making. It's been banned here for a while and in all honesty, its not something that I'm going to miss.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: badchad]
#14047562 - 03/01/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meh.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: badchad]
#14047582 - 03/01/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just don't know if they mean just the jwh018 or even the knockoffs like Super Cush?Quote:
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theblackhole said: I just don't know if they mean just the jwh018 or even the knockoffs like Super Cush?
JWH-018 (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole), is Schedule I. This includes any products containing it.
No , i meant i have some super cush and it gets me high like weed but it dosent contain jwh-018. So does this mean SuperCush is illegal too?
Also i seen it on CNN headline, but still i cant find the web article.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: badchad]
#14047600 - 03/01/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandomHero said: its not illegal in my state yet but I dont like that shit so i dont really care about it
This is Federal, so unless you live outside the U.S., it is illegal*
*technically, the chemical compounds are Schedule I, not necessarily "spice".
Schedule I? Are you serious?! So, it's in the same sentencing boundaries as heroin and crack?!
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: blissedout]
#14047685 - 03/01/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last time i went to a smoke shop (when i picked up that lunatic) i asked them what the deal with spice was. Looks like yes, they're illegalizing jwh-018.
But the lady just told me "Don't worry we already have the replacement."
Which im guessing one of the other jwh-s.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Doc_T]
#14047727 - 03/01/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: thoughts]
#14047738 - 03/01/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never tried JWH-018, but I have tried 122 and 250.
122 is my favorite of the two. Keeps me high for HOURS.
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Oh noes! JWH-018 is illegalz now? Good thing wunderlandspice uses JWH-250 
Just got a big bag of it anyways cuz of their bulk discountzzzzz
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Moronicus]
#14047762 - 03/01/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: 28064212]
#14047768 - 03/01/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm, i wanna try the 122.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14047800 - 03/01/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
#14047807 - 03/01/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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...because they want to avoid their selling it becoming illegal.
People will sell dried active cacti, obviously for consumption, and stamp not for human consumption on the front.
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My source isn't selling 122 anymore 
Hopefully they just ran out or something. It was a bomb deal, and that stuff is freaking GREAT!
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"not for human consumption"
just means it might taste bad but feeeels good 
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada] 1
#14047840 - 03/01/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
Link? People keep voicing opinions like this to me but all of them are just based on their reasoning, not on any studies or reserach. Just the unbased musings of people who can still enjoy MJ
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14047843 - 03/01/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the time those dumbasses make all of the current JWH lines illegal there will be 20 more to take their place
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
#14047845 - 03/01/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
Link? People keep voicing opinions like this to me but all of them are just based on their reasoning, not on any studies or reserach. Just the unbased musings of people who can still enjoy MJ
The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high" soooo fuck his opinion anyways
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: lovecheese]
#14047865 - 03/01/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought this happened months ago
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
#14047872 - 03/01/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high"
Is it actually useful as bonsai fertilizer?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: mrnoname]
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Eh, I'm looking for a good job, and don't want to piss out any little marijuana particles. This is a good alternative for me in the meantime until I can find a job.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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Kada said: Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
Link? People keep voicing opinions like this to me but all of them are just based on their reasoning, not on any studies or reserach. Just the unbased musings of people who can still enjoy MJ
The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high" soooo fuck his opinion anyways 
My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Doc_T]
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twighead said: The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high"
Is it actually useful as bonsai fertilizer?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
Link? People keep voicing opinions like this to me but all of them are just based on their reasoning, not on any studies or reserach. Just the unbased musings of people who can still enjoy MJ
The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high" soooo fuck his opinion anyways 
My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.
I don't smoke it either - and know how bad its effects can be but my stance is still similar to yours, it should remain legal - but with a huge fucking warning on it not to smoke too much/how much is a good amount to do your first time, none of this pretending its not a drug shit.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: Nothing should be illegal but that stuff is CRAP. Even the people who made the chemicals say that no one should smoke it.
Link? People keep voicing opinions like this to me but all of them are just based on their reasoning, not on any studies or reserach. Just the unbased musings of people who can still enjoy MJ
The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high" soooo fuck his opinion anyways 
My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.
The problem with buying the 'blends' is you don't know the attention to detail the people have put in. Like that gov website said, there is no oversight.
If you order just the specific chemicals and herbs that you want, however, you can make your own for a fraction of the cost and be very sure that the dosage is appropriate and distributed evenly through the plant material.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
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Ya, the FDA is never gonna regulate this shit tho.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: blissedout]
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This is Federal, so unless you live outside the U.S., it is illegal*
*technically, the chemical compounds are Schedule I, not necessarily "spice".
Schedule I? Are you serious?! So, it's in the same sentencing boundaries as heroin and crack?!
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: bbl337]
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This is Federal, so unless you live outside the U.S., it is illegal*
*technically, the chemical compounds are Schedule I, not necessarily "spice".
Schedule I? Are you serious?! So, it's in the same sentencing boundaries as heroin and crack?!
and cannabis...
But whereas cannabis has been reduced to a $100 fine in some states, I assume that spice will carry a harsher sentence?
Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, hide yo husbands, cuz there's people smoking spice out derrr.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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But whereas cannabis has been reduced to a $100 fine in some states, I assume that spice will carry a harsher sentence?
Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, hide yo husbands, cuz there's people smoking spice out derrr.
up to the judge's discretion in most cases, i doubt they'd be too dickish if you got caught with fake weed
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.
There was another story posted here in the Pub by a member who was smokikng with a friend of theirs who stopped breathing and nearly died or something to that extent. He didnt require hospitalization, but was definitely shook up. I'm wondering how old your neighbor is. This other sotry involved an older genetleman (mid 50s i think? maybe late 40s) who had the issues.
Is your neighbor of a similar age?
Any previous conditions? The guy this other Pubber was referring to liked to get fucked up with kids in their 20s, so i can't imagine hsi health was tip-top. From what i've heard, spice is a full-agonist (not sure if thas the right word, its a hazy memory and i dont know what the term means) as opposed to the partial-agonist ---- which would explain the more pronounced side-effects of consumption.
What i just said about agonists is literally pulled out of my ass from that other thread. But that incident (andnow yours) are the only negative incidents i've heard about spice, and they have similar descriptions. If the subject turns out to be of a similar persuasion (older, loves drugs) then i think we might have a trend identified.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
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Great after reading this I went the the website of one of the most popular vendors and every single jwh not just 018 and 073 and AM 2201 was removed from their site saying its "temporarily unavailable".
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mmhhmmmmm
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: DrMambo]
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Yeah I want no part of those tho this realy sucks Im on probation for 2 years and cant even think about smoking weed and if all the synthetics are actualy gone that is realy gonna suck
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PeterGriffin467 said: Yeah I want no part of those tho this realy sucks Im on probation for 2 years and cant even think about smoking weed and if all the synthetics are actualy gone that is realy gonna suck
I would totally recommend checking out some of the ones that are still around. I haven't been smoking for awhile trying to find a job, and this feels JUST like smoking weed to me.
Once I get it into some herbs or tobacco it's gonna be even better.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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I guess all the smoke shops can't carry it anymore. (at least in my state.)
BUT i just went to one of my frequent smoke shops and the dude sold me a couple grams under the counter.
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I would totally recommend checking out some of the ones that are still around.
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Yeah that was my plan but it looks as if all of the synthetics are banned not just the 5 that were mentioned. I dont know if thats realy true but I dont see why that well known popular jwh vendor would pull every single one they had including ones that werent part of the 5 banned ones. AM2201 jwh 250 jwh-5c jwh 081 jwh 122 jwh 203 jwh 210 RCS-4 RCS-8 every single one of those on the vendors site has been pulled saying its "temporary unavailable". Im sure other vendors have em still but I just was checking there site since they are the most well known to see if they still had jwh's for sale and they dont I hope this isnt the end of all of them for good.
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I know for sure there are still places selling it, just look harder. Though all JWH series are a lot more prosecutable now - given the analog act.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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I called a local headshop today and they said they were still selling about 15 different kinds of spice
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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Yes I know that there are other vendors the one I used to use actualy still has some but if that one main one is going to shut down for good Im sure most of the rest will too.
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You guys forgot one thing...the DEA can only use its emergency scheduling for one year. After that, if no law has been passed against it and the FDA hasn't finished its studies, it wears off.
Although they can use the emergency scheduling thing again, even though it's pretty fucked that the DEA can just decide to schedule any substance they want.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Synesthetic]
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Ya, what happened to checks and balances? Executive branch should not be dictating what can and can't be done.
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Synesthetic said: You guys forgot one thing...the DEA can only use its emergency scheduling for one year. After that, if no law has been passed against it and the FDA hasn't finished its studies, it wears off.
Although they can use the emergency scheduling thing again, even though it's pretty fucked that the DEA can just decide to schedule any substance they want.
Isn't that what happened with MDMA in the 80's? It was emergency scheduled in something like 83' then wore off for 3-4 years then was federally scheduled later in the 80's...
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: I know for sure there are still places selling it, just look harder. Though all JWH series are a lot more prosecutable now - given the analog act.
I'm no chemist, but from what I understand... the different JWHs are not structurally similar at all. i.e. They are not really privy to the Analog Act.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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Thats probably true but Im sure they will find a way to make some type of blanket law that covers all synthetics, i realy hope not but I wouldnt be suprised. I realy wish i would of had a lot of money before all this happened and could of gotten like a kilo of 018 because I knew it was to good to be true.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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twighead said: I know for sure there are still places selling it, just look harder. Though all JWH series are a lot more prosecutable now - given the analog act.
I'm no chemist, but from what I understand... the different JWHs are not structurally similar at all. i.e. They are not really privy to the Analog Act.
Really? I thought a good deal of them were pretty damn similar...
018

073

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etc..
but 250 and a few others are structurally quite a bit different without the naphthalene ring..

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Yeah and the word is that most of them all metabolize into the same thing and can picked up on an 018 drug test depsite using a different one
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
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Kada said: My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.
There was another story posted here in the Pub by a member who was smokikng with a friend of theirs who stopped breathing and nearly died or something to that extent. He didnt require hospitalization, but was definitely shook up. I'm wondering how old your neighbor is. This other sotry involved an older genetleman (mid 50s i think? maybe late 40s) who had the issues.
Is your neighbor of a similar age?
Any previous conditions? The guy this other Pubber was referring to liked to get fucked up with kids in their 20s, so i can't imagine hsi health was tip-top. From what i've heard, spice is a full-agonist (not sure if thas the right word, its a hazy memory and i dont know what the term means) as opposed to the partial-agonist ---- which would explain the more pronounced side-effects of consumption.
What i just said about agonists is literally pulled out of my ass from that other thread. But that incident (andnow yours) are the only negative incidents i've heard about spice, and they have similar descriptions. If the subject turns out to be of a similar persuasion (older, loves drugs) then i think we might have a trend identified.
My neighbor is around 50. Wow crazy.
I've had younger friends get instantly freezing and clammy after they smoke it. They say it feels like their life was draining away. Scary.
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i wanna keep an eye on this
fucking dumb ass gov - all they are doing is causing hype - and prob taking part of the blackmarket profits now too
now they can collect taxes on companies selling ( they prob will start pushing it ) - AND make MAD MAD money busting people for it - thOse fuckers get the best of both worlds
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: sporeRider]
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I dont doubt jwh could be hazardous to older people who smoke it tho, Ive had my share of jwh OD's and they arent fun. A few of em consisted of me pacing around outside for a good 10-15 minutes repeating "your just realy stoned your not gonna die your not gonna die" hah. Usualy taking to much made me loss all balance and I would feel disoriented and nauseaus as hell and have puked a couple times. The fear from a jwh OD is like no other tho and you know almost instantly when you took to big of a hit cuz it puts you on your ass instantly vs the delayed high and you know your in for it. A few times all i could do was lay down with my face in a pillow with my eyes closed and wait for it to go away
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Yeahhh man I've been there, any drug that can so easily put me in that kind of state isn't really worth it in my books. Not when I have buds to smoke.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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MOTHER FUCKER! just last week, I found out jwh was still legal in my state... I was under the impression that it was banned in december.... I Was so happy that I was gonna be able to get it again... then his happens
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danlennon3 said: MOTHER FUCKER! just last week, I found out jwh was still legal in my state... I was under the impression that it was banned in december.... I Was so happy that I was gonna be able to get it again... then his happens
Its still only those 5 chemicals Pretty sure the best (in my opinion) -250 isn't banned yet.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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the headshops here in houston are still selling them as of 30 mins ago
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: morrowasted]
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More or less... the retailers of spice I've come across don't seem to even know what the fuck chemical(s) is in them
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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Numerous alternatives are already on availability lists replacing the "old" ones
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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I just worry about what would happen since its in such a gray area now with all this shit going with it if the police somehow caught me ordering it. Im already on probation and I would be fucked so I havent been using any of it and havent for 7 months but Ive realy been thinking about getting a bit of am2201. The thing is though is the fact that its a different chemical and has a different chemical name on the bag gonna make a difference to whether or not they can prosecute?
I dont think it would to them they would somehow find a way to say you were gonna smoke it even if they cant prove it. I realy hate that this happened I loved jwh so much and I long for the days when it was still a bit obscure and there was no risk involved in ordering it and the law was clueless. Fuck the people who started making k2 and all the other blends who had to go and make it mainstream and ruin it.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: My neighbor is around 50. Wow crazy.
I've had younger friends get instantly freezing and clammy after they smoke it. They say it feels like their life was draining away. Scary.
I mean yeah, from what was mentioned in that other thread, weed will drop your blood pressure and cause your heart to spaz out. Since this spice is a full agonist it makes sense that it would have a more pronounced effect. A huge drop in blood pressure is consistent with both your (and the other pub) story.
Even with the feeling cold and clammy of your young friends. Like life was draining away? Whats "life" feel like? Probably like blood coursing through your veins, which happens at a slower rate when your pressure is down.
All seems to make perfect sense to me. 
I think the lesson i've learned is: dont give my dad Spice products.
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
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To everyone freaking out about spice being gone: DONT! Wunderland still sells it, and in fact, is having a big give-away for their 500th order. Heres the link.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14019493
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
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Anyone else think it's interesting that they only scheduled 5 chemicals?
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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
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Wikipedia said: Huffman may have developed these compounds for scientific research, but now he gets blamed for its abuse. Angered by this accusation, Huffman says "If you go around paying $40 for a packet of leaves that contains who knows what and smoke it, you are not a very responsible person. This is akin to playing Russian roulette."
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PeterGriffin467 said: Great after reading this I went the the website of one of the most popular vendors and every single jwh not just 018 and 073 and AM 2201 was removed from their site saying its "temporarily unavailable".
Well that vendor has all of them back up today so it doesnt look like they ones that werent listed in the ban are going anywhere yet.
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I can think of lots of illegal drugs people use in mass amounts constantly.
This will do nothing to curve the use of it. However it makes no nevermind to me as I don't see the point in smoking it.
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Wikipedia said: Huffman may have developed these compounds for scientific research, but now he gets blamed for its abuse. Angered by this accusation, Huffman says "If you go around paying $40 for a packet of leaves that contains who knows what and smoke it, you are not a very responsible person. This is akin to playing Russian roulette."
The guy who made it is a stoner himself and undoubtedly has smoked many of the JWH chemicals. His public stance is another thing entirely.
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