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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14049756 - 03/01/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I know for sure there are still places selling it, just look harder. Though all JWH series are a lot more prosecutable now - given the analog act.




I'm no chemist, but from what I understand... the different JWHs are not structurally similar at all.
i.e. They are not really privy to the Analog Act.



Really? I thought a good deal of them were pretty damn similar...

018


073


019


etc..

but 250 and a few others are structurally quite a bit different without the naphthalene ring..


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14049800 - 03/01/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah and the word is that most of them all metabolize into the same thing and can picked up on an 018 drug test depsite using a different one


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
    #14049892 - 03/01/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My neighbor stopped breathing and his heart stopped after smoking spice. Thank god the ambulance was parked a block away at the fire station or he would have been fucked. I keep telling people that they shouldn't smoke it. People don't listen until they smoke to much and have a bad reaction that makes them fear for their life. All I have ever heard from my friends and friends of friends in real life is that the stuff is horrible. Sure it can get you high, but it isn't worth the unknown risks. Like I said, I know it's crap and I hope no one I know gets their hands on it ever again. No it doesn't need to be illegal, but I don't care because I know it isn't a good drug. I don't protest the legalization of crack but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal either. I'm just glad my friends aren't going to do it anymore. If it's illegal they will just get crafty with getting away with smoking weed again.



There was another story posted here in the Pub by a member who was smokikng with a friend of theirs who stopped breathing and nearly died or something to that extent.  He didnt require hospitalization, but was definitely shook up.  I'm wondering how old your neighbor is.  This other sotry involved an older genetleman (mid 50s i think?  maybe late 40s) who had the issues.

Is your neighbor of a similar age?

Any previous conditions?  The guy this other Pubber was referring to liked to get fucked up with kids in their 20s, so i can't imagine hsi health was tip-top.  From what i've heard, spice is a full-agonist (not sure if thas the right word, its a hazy memory and i dont know what the term means) as opposed to the partial-agonist ---- which would explain the more pronounced side-effects of consumption.

What i just said about agonists is literally pulled out of my ass from that other thread.  But that incident (andnow yours) are the only negative incidents i've heard about spice, and they have similar descriptions.  If the subject turns out to be of a similar persuasion (older, loves drugs) then i think we might have a trend identified.



My neighbor is around 50. Wow crazy.

I've had younger friends get instantly freezing and clammy after they smoke it. They say it feels like their life was draining away. Scary.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #14049908 - 03/01/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i wanna keep an eye on this:thumbup:

fucking dumb ass gov - all they are doing is causing hype - and prob taking part of the blackmarket profits now too:mad2:

now they can collect taxes on companies selling ( they prob will start pushing it ) - AND make MAD MAD money busting people for it - thOse fuckers get the best of both worlds:mad2:


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: sporeRider]
    #14049933 - 03/01/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dont doubt jwh could be hazardous to older people who smoke it tho, Ive had my share of jwh OD's and they arent fun.  A few of em consisted of me pacing around outside for a good 10-15 minutes repeating "your just realy stoned your not gonna die your not gonna die" hah.  Usualy taking to much made me loss all balance and I would feel disoriented and nauseaus as hell and have puked a couple times.  The fear from a jwh OD is like no other tho and you know almost instantly when you took to big of a hit cuz it puts you on your ass instantly vs the delayed high and you know your in for it.  A few times all i could do was lay down with my face in a pillow with my eyes closed and wait for it to go away


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #14049956 - 03/01/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeahhh man I've been there, any drug that can so easily put me in that kind of state isn't really worth it in my books. Not when I have buds to smoke.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14050105 - 03/01/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

MOTHER FUCKER! just last week, I found out jwh was still legal in my state... I was under the impression that it was banned in december.... I Was so happy that I was gonna be able to get it again... then his happens:sad:


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14050182 - 03/01/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MOTHER FUCKER! just last week, I found out jwh was still legal in my state... I was under the impression that it was banned in december.... I Was so happy that I was gonna be able to get it again... then his happens:sad:



Its still only those 5 chemicals :shrug: Pretty sure the best (in my opinion) -250 isn't banned yet.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14050386 - 03/01/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the headshops here in houston are still selling them as of 30 mins ago


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: morrowasted]
    #14050426 - 03/01/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

More or less... the retailers of spice I've come across don't seem to even know what the fuck chemical(s) is in them :lol:


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14050501 - 03/01/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Numerous alternatives are already on availability lists replacing the "old" ones
:hehehe: FUCK EM


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14050531 - 03/01/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just worry about what would happen since its in such a gray area now with all this shit going with it if the police somehow caught me ordering it.  Im already on probation and I would be fucked so I havent been using any of it and havent for 7 months but Ive realy been thinking about getting a bit of am2201.  The thing is though is the fact that its a different chemical and has a different chemical name on the bag gonna make a difference to whether or not they can prosecute?

I dont think it would to them they would somehow find a way to say you were gonna smoke it even if they cant prove it.  I realy hate that this happened I loved jwh so much and I long for the days when it was still a bit obscure and there was no risk involved in ordering it and the law was clueless.  Fuck the people who started making k2 and all the other blends who had to go and make it mainstream and ruin it.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: Kada]
    #14050640 - 03/01/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My neighbor is around 50. Wow crazy.

I've had younger friends get instantly freezing and clammy after they smoke it. They say it feels like their life was draining away. Scary.



I mean yeah, from what was mentioned in that other thread, weed will drop your blood pressure and cause your heart to spaz out.  Since this spice is a full agonist it makes sense that it would have a more pronounced effect.  A huge drop in blood pressure is consistent with both your (and the other pub) story. 

Even with the feeling cold and clammy of your young friends.  Like life was draining away?  Whats "life" feel like?  Probably like blood coursing through your veins, which happens at a slower rate when your pressure is down.

All seems to make perfect sense to me.  :shrug:

I think the lesson i've learned is: dont give my dad Spice products.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
    #14050646 - 03/01/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

To everyone freaking out about spice being gone:  DONT!  Wunderland still sells it, and in fact, is having a big give-away for their 500th order.  Heres the link.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14019493


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: memes]
    #14051229 - 03/01/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone else think it's interesting that they only scheduled 5 chemicals?


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: lovecheese]
    #14052945 - 03/02/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: twighead]
    #14053032 - 03/02/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The guy who made it is quoted as saying "Its like LSD, all its good for is to get you high" soooo fuck his opinion anyways :shrug:



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Huffman may have developed these compounds for scientific research, but now he gets blamed for its abuse. Angered by this accusation, Huffman says "If you go around paying $40 for a packet of leaves that contains who knows what and smoke it, you are not a very responsible person. This is akin to playing Russian roulette."




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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #14054131 - 03/02/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Great after reading this I went the the website of one of the most popular vendors and every single jwh not just 018 and 073 and AM 2201 was removed from their site saying its "temporarily unavailable".



Well that vendor has all of them back up today so it doesnt look like they ones that werent listed in the ban are going anywhere yet.


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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: PeterGriffin467]
    #14054827 - 03/02/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: All spice now illegal today. [Re: morrowasted]
    #14054865 - 03/02/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can think of lots of illegal drugs people use in mass amounts constantly.

This will do nothing to curve the use of it. However it makes no nevermind to me as I don't see the point in smoking it.


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