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themop
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A single early pin question...
#14047270 - 03/01/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey,I know the this question has been asked before but I just like giving people something to post on and getting some fresh information for myself 
OK Background info: So I inoculated my jars on February 15th which was a little over 2 weeks ago. Ive been storing the jars in an open closet (Meaning they pick up some ambient light from a window from the far side of the room, not a lot but the room definitely isn't pitch dark is all im saying). They have tight lids, untaped holes, and they are not covered with tin foil either. The outside is nearly %100 percent colonized except for a little bit of area on the bottom.
Problem: I just noticed in one jar that there is a small pin starting to form and to me it seems to early for that to be happening, i havent even built my fruiting chamber yet! 
Question: So what should I do about this jar with the pin? I was under the impression that I wouldn't have to start worrying about pinning for a few more days just because I figured I had to wait another week for the insides to the substrate to colonize. Does this mean I should expect the rest of the jars to begin pinning? Should I just be ready to birth dunk and roll all of these suckers and build my fruiting chamber today?
Or should I just wait and see if anything else happens and let that pin die and give all the jars a final week to finish consolidating?
And finally a little off topic but If I don't have a way of getting my hands on a power drill whats the best way to get holes into a shotgun fruiting chamber quickly?
Thanks so much for any quick help you guys can provide, I feel like Ive been watching Christmas slowly approach for the past few weeks and I need to do what I can to save it.
And as a post script, I went ahead and shut the closet door to prevent any more sunlight from reaching them for now.
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Aimemailadress
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: themop]
#14047297 - 03/01/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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they will give you a better pinset and more contam resistent if you let the consolodate, the one thats started already i would suggest you just throw it in a fruiting chamber with some perlite, the others put in a non see through tub and let consolodate... if you cant at leaste in two black bags(one bag in an other) holes simple take it to the local hard ware store and get them to make the wholes for you, tell them you plan on filling it with coir and use it as a hanging plant pot or what ever your crazy mind can think of or youll have to sit with a knife and do it old school, just takes too much time ps. be carefull not to crack your tub, its extremely easy, just a heads up Peace and good luck
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Hakim0777
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If they werent getting light they wouldnt be pinning.
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tr20josh
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: Hakim0777]
#14047796 - 03/01/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Light is beneficial to ALL stages of mushroom growth - including colonization. My jars are regularly exposed to indirect sunlight. The light doesn't cause them to pin. Often, jars pin before 100% colonization because of a contamination problem. I personally would wait for the jar to colonize completely before birthing.
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: tr20josh]
#14047827 - 03/01/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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couldn't it also be pinning because the holes were not taped? the bit of light + small amounts of FAE = pin?
regardless...that cake is obviously ready to go into an FC. move it asap to the dunk/roll etc. leave the others to consolidate, as someone above mentioned
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: tr20josh]
#14048222 - 03/01/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tr20josh said: Light is beneficial to ALL stages of mushroom growth - including colonization. My jars are regularly exposed to indirect sunlight. The light doesn't cause them to pin. Often, jars pin before 100% colonization because of a contamination problem. I personally would wait for the jar to colonize completely before birthing.
I mean no offence but if im not mistaken light, air exchange and change in temp are pinning triggers
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biologys
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Light is one of the lesser, it has to be in conjuction with fae(which is the number 1 pinning trigger)
i have my jars colonizing in same area that i grow, with a 12/12 light cycle..
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Hakim0777
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tr20josh said: Light is beneficial to ALL stages of mushroom growth - including colonization. My jars are regularly exposed to indirect sunlight. The light doesn't cause them to pin. Often, jars pin before 100% colonization because of a contamination problem. I personally would wait for the jar to colonize completely before birthing.
I mean no offence but if im not mistaken light, air exchange and change in temp are pinning triggers
yea I dont give any sunlight to colonizing jars. He has no idea what hes talking about. Pinning because of contamination and not light? nah brah.
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biologys
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: Hakim0777]
#14048273 - 03/01/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said:
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Aimemailadress said:
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tr20josh said: Light is beneficial to ALL stages of mushroom growth - including colonization. My jars are regularly exposed to indirect sunlight. The light doesn't cause them to pin. Often, jars pin before 100% colonization because of a contamination problem. I personally would wait for the jar to colonize completely before birthing.
I mean no offence but if im not mistaken light, air exchange and change in temp are pinning triggers
yea I dont give any sunlight to colonizing jars. He has no idea what hes talking about. Pinning because of contamination and not light? nah brah.
actually it is you that does not know what he's talking about...
the poster above is correct, light does not cause early pinning, and simple fact is, alot of early pinning is caused by bacterial infection, the mycelium starts trying to reproduce to ensure its survival...
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tr20josh
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: Hakim0777]
#14049669 - 03/01/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said:
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Aimemailadress said:
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tr20josh said: Light is beneficial to ALL stages of mushroom growth - including colonization. My jars are regularly exposed to indirect sunlight. The light doesn't cause them to pin. Often, jars pin before 100% colonization because of a contamination problem. I personally would wait for the jar to colonize completely before birthing.
I mean no offence but if im not mistaken light, air exchange and change in temp are pinning triggers
yea I dont give any sunlight to colonizing jars. He has no idea what hes talking about. Pinning because of contamination and not light? nah brah.
I mean I'm just going by what RR and many other trusted cultivators here when I say that light is beneficial to ALL STAGES of mushroom growth. I don't "give sunlight" to them, it's just not necessary for them to be in darkness, and apparently it's good for them. I don't know the reasons behind it, I just know what I've read.
And... Yes. Pinning because of contamination and not light. Evaporation of water from the substrate is actually the number one pinning trigger. Guess what causes evaporation? FAE. Not light. Fungi don't use light for energy the way that plants do, and light is not what causes them to pin. It's FAE.
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Aimemailadress
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Re: A single early pin question... [Re: tr20josh]
#14054244 - 03/02/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey i wont lie an early push of one or two pins has often resulted in an early contam before the third flush, all i know is cubes especially, is that they colonise way better in solid darkness, i tried with jars and liquid cultures, and nevermind what strain darkness rules supreme, i try to never give my tubs any direct sunlight and they do pretty well... and rr can correct me on this but the three primary triggers are temp(a drop in temp..you know this already.. eg. cold shock) light (this shows the mu which way too grow) and fae(lower levels of co2 promote pinning.. thats why fanning and air holes are required)
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