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ahchela
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How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience?
#14046883 - 03/01/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indulging in my psychosomatic inclination here
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Dawks
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: ahchela]
#14046918 - 03/01/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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>How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience?
I voted "some people" and by that I really only mean a very few. While I hate the criminalization of psychedelic drugs, I am also against legalization. This is for two reasons, one I don't really think conventional capitalism would mix too well with pushing psychedelics and two, I think by keeping the drugs illegal it ends up being those in society who are "ready" to find them who actually obtain access to them. Remember the saying "you don't find acid, it finds you" - I think that that's one the positive things about it being illegal or at least non legal.
Should psychedelics be used in psychology?
Voted yes, but I don't really know in what way are you referring to. Should they be used to treat people with psychological disorders? I'm not really to sure about this. Sure there may be benefits but I really can't say that for sure. Should they be used for psychological research? well certainly - after watching that DMT documentary I was really interested to hear it was actually psychedelics that lead scientists to draw a connection between psychology and neurochemistry. I think ALL avenues should be explored for the advancement of science, psychedelics are no exception.
>Around what age is an individual ready for psychedelics?
I voted 12-18. This is because I was in this age group when I started using psychedelics and I believe this is one of those ages where our major values are being shaped. Things like school are designed to teach children to be greedy, selfish and all around evil. I think this is the age where peace and love vales should really be taught.
The statement "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" is true for humans as well. You can't take a bitter 70 year business man and turn him into a nature loving hippie, no matter what you do to him. But these values can be learned by our children and I think that psychedelics are a good teaching aid (but by no means a substitute).
>Do 'they' have non recreational virtues?
Voted yes. Psychedelics can open a persons mind to philosophical, spiritual, creative, artistic and abstract ways of thinking that would be much harder to realize without their aid.
That being said, I still think of psychedelics as more recreational that anything else. Being a philosophical person myself, I would have to admit that my use of psychedelics hasn't really "given" me anything, but more pointed me in the right direction.
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ahchela
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: Dawks]
#14047036 - 03/01/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback Dawks
I agree with most of what you said, personally I think most people are ready for psychedelics but not in most situations and not for most of their lives. There are windows in everyones life (I believe) where they could benifit from it, but then there are some who are too unstable to ever open that door and it is really impossible to determine where someones at.
Also believe in the 12-18 age range, of course that specifically depends on the individual
Hard to say how I would gauge its recreational value, in my field (music) they have massive utility by virtue of their recreational features. It goes in every direction though, they can really be used to in all sorts of areas in life like smelling roses.
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Edited by ahchela (03/01/11 05:57 AM)
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ahchela
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: Dawks]
#14047079 - 03/01/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dawks said:
psychedelics ... lead scientists to draw a connection between psychology and neurochemistry.
I voted 12-18. This is because I was in this age group when I started using psychedelics and I believe this is one of those ages where our major values are being shaped. Things like school are designed to teach children to be greedy, selfish and all around evil. I think this is the age where peace and love vales should really be taught.
Going to have to look up the first part, definitely interesting.
For the second part: "you can't change the world but you can change how you look at it" thats my slogan for the overall lesson I learned in my teenage days. Keep ones powers within their sphere of influence. Psychedelics can show a lot of angles in perception of society, time and reality. At such an impressionable age where one has developed a degree of intelligence and awareness but has not yet settled into any lifelong pattern, it is the perfect time for the individual to delve into the experience and take advantage of these perceptions. Its the time where one learns how to advance themselves (inwardly) and get by in the world (outwardly), its a very important time, we need a good start with lots of freedom to write off the walls and a good view of the world outside of the social consciousness which psychedelics can give a glimpse of. In short I agree with your idea of using psychedelics after childhood to break some of the chains of the herd mentality (in whatever form).
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joemolloy
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: ahchela]
#14047105 - 03/01/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I was taking psychedelics in the 1990s, none of my friends or myself had any idea about mystical, philosophical, or metaphysical possibilities of these drugs. It wasn't after listening to Terence Mckenna and reading drug forums that I got these notions. It's interesting that NONE of my friends including me, ever had a hint of anything besides recreation and fun with psychedelics after hundreds of trips over a length of years. It was exposure to drug forums and wider psychedelic drug culture that promotes, encourages, and fosters what most on shroomery think of these drugs.
That being said, if these drugs were introduced as a way to get high, most people would get high. If they were labeled a way to experience divinity and mystical states, people would experience it that way. These drugs don't automatically shatter your perception of reality and make you see the world in a new way. For many, they are a fun way to get high with zero introspection. I think that one's expectations, previous "knowledge", and motives dramatically affect the trip. My trips were recreational for years before the internet, became mystical and philosophical after the internet, and after I called bullshit, they are recreational again - with no more meaning than a good masturbation session.
Is the world ready for psychedelics? It depends how the drugs are marketed.
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Moo456
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: joemolloy]
#14047128 - 03/01/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm very inclined to agree with you, but this doesn't prove or disprove anything. Psychedelics only amplify things within you. We have yet to uncover all of the secrets within us, sober or otherwise. Don't let the drugs cheapen the unknown.
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joemolloy
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: Moo456]
#14047159 - 03/01/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, Moo, they amplify. I don't mean to cheapen the unknown, I question the utility of these drugs to hint at, show, or deepen our understanding of the unknown.
I remember Terence Mckenna saying that psychedelics shine a light in the darkness and reveal to us just how large that darkness is. The brighter the campfire the more of a sense of the vastness of the jungle we notice. I thought it was a profound statement, but I even question that now.
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ahchela
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Re: How many people are ready for the psychedelic experience? [Re: joemolloy]
#14047192 - 03/01/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To a certain point I agree with the idea of conditioning and how it effects the way one experiences psychedelics, but past that point they are what they are: a powerful otherworldly experience. Every event has something to say even if we are not aware of it
I should say that I view psychedelics as detrimental from a purely spiritual perspective, they really stop you from going past a certain point. Though they can help you look at things from alternative perspectives, particularly when you're in a rut. So its from my view a useful tool to a certain point in development. My idea here is just for an exchange of ideas and not to press ideas on anyone or try to change them, though I may write in a pursuasive manner I am also aware that change comes from within the individual. So in as far as proof for anything goes there is only that which we choose to acknowledge.
-------------------- Psychedelics will not give you a lobotomy, but tv will.
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