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OfflineI AM SWIM
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The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients
    #14040466 - 02/28/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

IF YOU MEET THE BUDDHA ON THE ROAD, KILL HIM!

by Sheldon B. Kopp


Has anybody read this? What are your thoughts on it?



The first page says:


RISKING

Sometimes it seems to me that in this absurdly random life there is some inherent justice in the outcome of personal relationships. In the long run, we get no more than we have been willing to risk giving.

LOVE
Love is more than simply being open to experiencing the anguish of another person's suffering. It is the willingness to live with the helpless knowing that we can do nothing to save the other from his pain.

THE DEPENDENT DISCIPLE

While seeking to be taught the Truth the disciple learns only that there is nothing anyone else can teach him . . . The secret is that there is no secret.


IF YOU MEET THE BUDDHA ON THE ROAD, KILL HIM!


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14042751 - 02/28/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like something i would come up with to be different but basically say the same thing.

There is nothing to say and nothing to learn.
All that remains is the itch we share as individuals to express ourselves and the pleasure in the mutual scratching.

I WIN.
WANT COOKIE.
NAO !


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: jivJaN] * 1
    #14043079 - 02/28/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol, well the author wuz a psychotherapist, and i thought icelander would have red it, cuz i know he is interested in the psychology thangs

just curious if anyone read it.

i recently found it for $1.00

so far i've been readin' it on the side from school thangs, and it's really interesting.


the whole pilgrimage of psychotherapy patients is a metaphor.


on the back of the book it sez:

"The most important things that each man must learn no one else can teach him. Once he accepts this disappointment, he will be able to stop depending on the therapist, the guru who turns out to be just another struggling human being."
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"Using the myths of Gilgamesh, Siddhartha, The Wife of Bath, Don Quixote ... the works of Buber, Ginsberg, Shakespeare, Kafka, Nin, Dante and Jung . . . a brilliant psychotherapist, guru and pilgrim shares the epic tales of intimate revelations that help to shape Everyman's journey through life."

o and it sez on front thang too

"No meaning that comes from outside of ourselves is real. The Buddahood of each of us has already been obtained. We need only recognize it. Thus the Zen Master warns his disciple: IF YOU MEET THE BUDDHA ON THE ROAD, KILL HIM!"


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14043126 - 02/28/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

While seeking to be taught the Truth the disciple learns only that there is nothing anyone else can teach him . . . The secret is that there is no secret.
:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: Icelander]
    #14043164 - 02/28/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you haven't read it, I think it would be a book you would enjoy!

But I have a feeling that you have, since it was published in 1972, and ur :oldman:


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14044012 - 02/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sheldon Kopp was a psychotherapist in Washington, D.C. when I was living in Maryland, attending U. of MD. He had been struggling with a brain tumor, for which he had been operated on. He had been very influenced by Ram Dass, as I had. I still have his book Back to One, which used a meditation breathing metaphor for doing psychotherapy. When I read your post I Wikied him to see what happened to him. He died in 1999 of cardiac arrhythmias. The book you found was probably the best known of his several books. I never read it cove-to-cover, but a lot of students had a copy back in the early 80s.


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14044184 - 02/28/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Sheldon Kopp was a psychotherapist in Washington, D.C. when I was living in Maryland, attending U. of MD. He had been struggling with a brain tumor, for which he had been operated on. He had been very influenced by Ram Dass, as I had. I still have his book Back to One, which used a meditation breathing metaphor for doing psychotherapy. When I read your post I Wikied him to see what happened to him. He died in 1999 of cardiac arrhythmias. The book you found was probably the best known of his several books. I never read it cove-to-cover, but a lot of students had a copy back in the early 80s.




Wow, that is amazing. Thanks for your input!
I'm going to have to check out Back to One and his other books.
I also found a 1941 first edition of Aldous Huxley's Grey Eminence : A Study in Religion and Politics that I'm going to have to read sometime.

That was only a dollar too :smile:


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14044458 - 02/28/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nice finds! Very little in the way of really old books seems to make their way to the penile penninsula of North America. I did find a 1940s hardcover on magic, but the Palmetto bugs ate almost all the cloth cover off. Now, the Brandeis used bookstore, and its geriatric staff have disappeared from my neighborhood. Floridians don't seem to read...or think...or wonder.


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14044618 - 02/28/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

aw. that's a shame.
I'm going to get as many books as I can, and build my own personal library.

It's unfortunate that the internet/technology is replacing the book-scene, but I hope somehow we can get everything from the Library of Congress out on e-book form on the internet at least!

Like a single zip file of everything from the LoC would be pretty rad.


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Re: The Pilgrimage of Psychotherapy Patients [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14045180 - 02/28/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I AM SWIM said:
aw. that's a shame.
I'm going to get as many books as I can, and build my own personal library.

It's unfortunate that the internet/technology is replacing the book-scene, but I hope somehow we can get everything from the Library of Congress out on e-book form on the internet at least!

Like a single zip file of everything from the LoC would be pretty rad.




Call me a  Book Mark :smile:


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