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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14064280 - 03/04/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to sound condescending. I was just making my observations of what I saw in his tub.
I'm doing they're idea to the max right now with my first two monos. No bag and really loose polyfil.
I wish there was a way of "standardizing" polyfil tightness so we all knew what each other were talking about.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Base Icks]
#14064423 - 03/04/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just wanna let you know, started a new tub yesterday with no taped holes nor bag just polyfill stuffed holes. I expect faster colonization but perhaps a little drying and probably earlier fruiting but hoping to avoid the mycelium having less grip on the substrate. We will see 
Edit: I changed to this where i used to put the tub in a trashbag for 7 days then took it out and let it further colonize.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: virus1824]
#14064640 - 03/04/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 I feel left out... but I was busy  and wow, where was I when all of this blasphemy was taking place? one of THE most dramatic thread's to date...
 I think the stars were WAY out of alignment for a few cycles...

but seriously, now that we can stop ... I have recently started a similar experiment, but the main difference between the two tubs is the 'colonization-age' of the spawn and the ratio of coir/verm used... so really the only similarity is the fact that they are colonizing an open room (polyfil stuffed holes)
link fail...  still learning how to link to other threads from here... 
passing the  glad everyone is back  I have much respect for all the people involved, everyone has their bad days... damn stars
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: LurkingWizards]
#14064655 - 03/04/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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And everyone has their good days as well,......
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ProfessorPinHead said: And everyone has their good days as well,...... 
Ain't that the truth  I've felt like Jesus riding a fucking dinosaur  but I've also felt like a Jesus being fucked by a dinosaur... gremlin fail
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: LurkingWizards]
#14064733 - 03/04/11 05:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It sure seems to be
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14064789 - 03/04/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: im not saying its a race, nor putting his tubs down...as i said, im asking for my own personal knowledge...in MY experience, which is in no way a huge amount, those are lanky stems....but as i've said hundreds of times i grow in colder temps, which could be why the look tall and lanky to me...
sorry i was just asking a question, as i said earlier also i'll be trying his method with 2 out of the 4 tubs i'll be spawning to next week as well..
No offense taken, man. 
The fruits have generally been lanky with this strain, even when the fruits get tall.
Also, that bin was actually made from 3 bags of substrate that had colonized and fruited in filter patch bags, then crumbled into a bin. They were still not fully colonized in the bags, even after a flush. (...damn you wispy-growing coir. )
So, it pinned well, and the fruits grew well, but the suckers were getting pooped out. 
You're right, though. Lanky stems are often caused by a lack of fae, but not in this case.
Good eye!
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Base Icks]
#14064805 - 03/04/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Base Icks said: I didn't mean to sound condescending. I was just making my observations of what I saw in his tub.
I'm doing they're idea to the max right now with my first two monos. No bag and really loose polyfil.
I wish there was a way of "standardizing" polyfil tightness so we all knew what each other were talking about.
Oh, Base, I'd actually recommend stuffing the polyfil a bit tight during colonization, to avoid too much moisture loss, and so that you will have a decrease in CO2 when it comes time to fruit. If you've already made up your bin, it's no big deal - re-applying the polyfil will not do any harm. Feel free to open up your tubs and look at them as often as you want as well. So long as you used properly pasteurized substrate and healthy spawn, that's what matters. If not - well, then looking at the bins really isn't gonna change the problem, no is it? 
I know it may be confusing, and I'm sorry about that guys.
My position, and ProfessorPinHead's position is:
1. Give what would be considered high ge/fae (...it really doesn't matter, seriously. That's the expert opinion, not mine.) during colonization, but have it relatively restricted when compared to:
2. Give MASSIVE fae during fruiting, by loosening up the polyfil as loose as it can possibly be (...or even remove a polyfil ball, like Prof does) and manually fanning 1-3 times daily, and/or have a fan circulating air in the fruiting environment constantly.
3. Bonus - allow ambient light exposure to the substrate the whole time to establish circadian rhythms early on, before fruiting begins, to have the mycelium be as happy as can be. 
Hope those three points of interest help to clear any confusion.
Lastly - these are neither my nor ProfessorPinHead's noble and/or novel ideas. We're merely passing on information that we've learned from the experts.
Links to definitions in bold, to maximize information exchange. 
I apologize if there were any confusion on my positions, and if I failed to adequately distinguish between experimental results from advice. If my advice is followed, I see only benefit becoming new growers who follow it, so long as they DO follow it.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14064822 - 03/04/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i just have 1 question, always have heard tall lanky stems are from lack of fae...if you're proving more fae then usual why the tall lanky looking stems?
Tall lanky stems are a symptom of lack of fresh-air exchange in cubensis. Small caps and un-uniformed growth are a result of too little lighting, also in cubensis cultivation. However, lack of fresh-air exchange is also coupled by "fuzzy feet" and "fat-asses". Both of which are non-present.
Those stipes and caps look healthy to me. The caps look a deep color golden, as well as, in proportion, size wise, with the stipes. In this case, the phenotypes of the fruits being displaying/expressed is being dictated by climate/environment, as well as, genetics. Not lack of fresh-air.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#14064837 - 03/04/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, way to get all sciency on 'em, Loaf. 
Good explanation. 
The fruits turned into fucking toothpicks with small, shriveled glans-like caps. 
I've had horrible pinsets as I haven't cased since, (...and I'm not good at getting awesome pinsets uncased yet. ) but I've been yielding about 7oz on the first flush.
Any tips on how to get good even pinsets without casing? Is that a genotypical aspect/ specific to like an 'even pinset' pheno/genotype?
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14064850 - 03/04/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't have to worry as much w/ out a casing. It seem what the sub lacks in evenness, it makes up for in density/size of fruits.
That is the unabridged version anyway
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ProfessorPinHead said: You don't have to worry as much w/ out a casing. It seem what the sub lacks in evenness, it makes up for in density/size of fruits.
That is the unabridged version anyway 
That's the unabridged version?
What's the abridged version then? "Substrates fruit sometimes?!?"
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Base Icks]
#14064988 - 03/04/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish there was a way of "standardizing" polyfil tightness so we all knew what each other were talking about.
Although this would be convenient, it'll never be obtainable as there is no one constant world climate and temperature. The poly-fil stuff amount conundrum can only be figured out by the individual cultivatior due to each individual cultivators' personal region, climate, and environment.
In my very personal opinion, standardized poly-fil would suck the fun right out of the challenge of dialing in your desired specific fruiting conditions you decide to provide to your fruiting mushrooms due to your personal region's, environment, and climate.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14066193 - 03/04/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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CH HELL said: 1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate. CH
He would, and he has. Have you seen the video on straw in his DVD? 
He uses a typical oyster strain, inoculated with straw in a laundry basket, which colonizes in a plastic bin drilled like a MSG.
Am I wrong here? I could be, but I don't think so. 
I own the vid and if you listen to what hes saying he had to carefully place his spawn away from the edges so it isnt drying out because of the vast amount of fae it gets during colonization. precautionary measures were taken due to the way it is being colonized. he states because of the air during colonization this had to be done to prevent contamination of exposed grains/straw while colonizing.
the straw basket is a bad example for your point.
again, Im not debating your success Im just not agreeing on the levels of exchange used for colonizing.
there is no control over pinning with uber ample AE/GE.
but I will be making up 2 monos pretty soon and I will side by side them 1 with taped up holes and the GE through the non sealed lid and one with poly filled holes for max GE during colonization and post result pics/times. 
I will even have a witness or two in Todlow/OdenSun so I cant skew any results, I play fair.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#14066206 - 03/04/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish there was a way of "standardizing" polyfil tightness so we all knew what each other were talking about.
Although this would be convenient, it'll never be obtainable as there is no one constant world climate and temperature. The poly-fil stuff amount conundrum can only be figured out by the individual cultivatior due to each individual cultivators' personal region, climate, and environment.
In my very personal opinion, standardized poly-fil would suck the fun right out of the challenge of dialing in your desired specific fruiting conditions you decide to provide to your fruiting mushrooms due to your personal region's, environment, and climate.
its not hard to figure out or "dial in" poly tightness/loosness, you need a $5 analog hygrometer. check the Rh and if its high you loosen the poly, if its low you tighten the poly. simple. 
I can dial in poly on a room full of tubs in an hour.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14066423 - 03/04/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been followig this thread somewhat nebulously over the past few days, so I apologize in advance if my questions seem undeserving of answers.
To facey: "Ambient" light is somewhat subjective, and after some thought, I'm guessing this means light less intrusive than the direct 12/12 light we are often prone to employing during fruiting stages. Anyway, I guess this is my scenario, followed promptly by a question.
My fruiting room doesn't have an air duct, and I provide air circulation with a fan blowing towards the door. I find this disperses the air in a somewhat capricious manner, as opposed to blasting my chambers with direct circulation (too much RH loss). Anywho, the room is small, and a single grow light provides more than enough "fruiting light" for two separate chambers.
So my question is: do you think this "fruiting" light (as opposed to a windowed "ambient" lighting) would be a healthy inclusion during my next colonization run? Or would it be too intense and cause too much (sigh, so much suibjectivity) early pinning?
I've been running SGFCs with trays, and I feel like I've got the basic logistics of bulk growing down, but I'd like to give monotubs a dance or two, and I'm sincerely interested in both you and the Professor's assertations.
Also, I'd be obliged if you linked me a meticulously written tub-construction tek (I know, I know, "search f(x))... I just find that a lot of teks written on the monotub construction are somewhat vague. I love specificity.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Gonkulator]
#14066458 - 03/04/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my lights are on 12/12 cycle 24/7 no matter whats going on in my "room"
 
and search the ohmatic monotub or any of largedoses teks he has the best setup links in his threads. or pg1 of the AMU Q & A link in my sig has a couple variations on mono set ups.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14066490 - 03/04/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love the colored tubs w/ the plexi.
Those are all I used to use.
 and I used to duct tape my liner up 
I just use the clear ones now though because of time/$$$ management.
I hate it when stone out and I leave the hall light on past their bedtime
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=viewthumb&imgpl=3&imgpp=all&folder=13s+stuff
Imma pic whore 
I went with the clear tubs last run I did but I need 4' strip lights instead of these lamps I have now, they work but look ghetto as hell.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14066523 - 03/04/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its not hard to figure out or "dial in" poly tightness/loosness, you need a $5 analog hygrometer. check the Rh and if its high you loosen the poly, if its low you tighten the poly. simple.
I can dial in poly on a room full of tubs in an hour.
Never said that "figure out or "dial in" poly tightness/loosness" was hard to do and, I can do the same things. In fact, never said anything about difficulty level of correctly stuffing holes with poly-fil to create the perfect balance between the amount humidity and fresh-air exchange needed for fruiting mushrooms. I also don't need a hygrometer because I construct and design fruiting chambers by the specks the first few times I use them before innovations are made.
Being able to dial in your fruiting chambers amount of poly-fil stuff level is a testament to skill level which would be sucked right out of the process with a form of "standardized Poly-fil".
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