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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: bbl337]
    #14041914 - 02/28/11 01:05 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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I'm susceptable to vasoconstriction sometimes as well, adds some extra nervousness, kinda sucks.  A hit of poppers every 20 minutes or so though handles that fine.





Excellent selfmedication FTW! Really, bravo.
I'm a cardiac patient and always have a nitroglycerin spray bottle on hand, to administer one puff sublingually in case of angina pectoris.

This spray bottle gets passed around the trip group if we're tripping on a drug with a high degree of vasoconstriction, such as Mescaline or TMA-6. Theres no point suffering vasoconstriction when a perfecty benign puff of nitro every 1-2 hours keeps it in check.

If thats how you use it, I like to recommend you to switch from poppers (nitrite) to a sublingual nitrate. These come as tiny tablets to let melt under the tongue, or as a sublingual spray tasting of foul peppermint.

These intervention nitrates are nonprescription in many countries because they have zero recreational value, are very safe and save tons of lives, as cardiovascular disease is a primary cause of death. Internet Pharmacies often carry them.

I've given out these bottles to my elderly relatives, with instruction how to use in case of sudden onset central chest pain (immediately preceding dialing 911), and most of my friends have a bottle too, in case I forget mine or if they or their visitors should have a cardiovascular event.
I really feel every home's first aid kit should have sublingual nitro in some form or other, as immediate use of it can prevent many heart attacks from happening.

I feel its MANDATORY for people using cocaine or amphetamines to have this medicine. Most stimulant heart attacks especially in young people are caused by coronary vasoconstriction and/or coronary vasospasm, conditions often completely reversible with nitro, which can make the difference between getting away with a scare and a headache, or ending up on the coroners slab.

Nitrite poppers can have the same effect, but they usually give an unpleasant headrush and throbbing headache as they are very hard to dose, their effect is more acute but also more transient.




Oh and OP - if you swallow 0.25gr of shrooms them induce vomiting because of remorse I would strongly suggest you to work through your anxiety issues before dosing again. This has nothing to do with the mushrooms and everything with you getting anxiety attacks even thinking of tripping. Disregarding this level of anxiety by tripping nonetheless could lead to you having a bad trip thats actually damaging to you, others, or the interior of the room your are tripping in.


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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: Asante]
    #14042173 - 02/28/11 01:41 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

I thought nitroglycerin was explosive? That's what the movie Vertical Limit taught me.

OP, I am the same way. I suggest you read the book Tripping by Charles Hayes. It is a collection of experiences and a lot of people in there have good life views that are starting to change my anxiety about tripping. I haven't tried again yet, because I'm not quite ready, but the time will be right soon. Don't try to jump into it, you have to work out your anxiety before you go back into this experience. I extracted a half gram of DMT a while ago, tried it once and then gave the rest away because it told me I wasn't ready until I worked on myself more. I can post some of the good quotes from the book up here sometime tomorrow if anybody wants to read them, although I recommend the whole book. It is one of the best books on psychedelics that I have read.

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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: bryguy27007]
    #14042510 - 02/28/11 02:21 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Nitroglycerin is extremely explosive, but also a vasodilator. They solve it by dissolving it in a solvent so that it loses the ability to transmit a detonation wave, but if you spray into an open flame its like a jet exhaust as combustion is clearly enhanced :awesome:

The pills often contain pentaerythritol tetranitrate which our resident marines and explosives engineers immediately recognize as PETN.

Yup, many of these are industrial/military high explosives, purified to pharmaceutical grade, then diluted with an inert filler to render them nonexplosive.


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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: Asante]
    #14042821 - 02/28/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Nitroglycerin is extremely explosive, but also a vasodilator. They solve it by dissolving it in a solvent so that it loses the ability to transmit a detonation wave, but if you spray into an open flame its like a jet exhaust as combustion is clearly enhanced :awesome:

The pills often contain pentaerythritol tetranitrate which our resident marines and explosives engineers immediately recognize as PETN.

Yup, many of these are industrial/military high explosives, purified to pharmaceutical grade, then diluted with an inert filler to render them nonexplosive.




That contained a lot of good information, but not enough to make me feel comfortable putting some of that in my body. It sounds like it would be good to have around though.

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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: bryguy27007]
    #14042891 - 02/28/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

The come up is hellish for some people, me included. Although it's not so much fear -- there is a nice presence of anxiety for me but more than anything I have these utterly ridiculous coughing/gagging spells on the come up. It's like part cough, part gag, and part burp (drinking though is probably the cause of the latter).

I'll do it like every 5 minutes for the first hour or hour and a half of the trip. Seriously. It's fucking horrible.

But after I pay that price the rest of my night is :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: Niffla]
    #14042915 - 02/28/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

smoked TOO much weed during a trip?

it always seems i cant smoke enough on a trip now adays, but i remember doing this on some of my earlier trips


super sorry you cant do mushies anymore man, meditation and facing your fears might help

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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14042945 - 02/28/11 03:29 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

and god damn wiccan that was a good post.

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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14042948 - 02/28/11 03:29 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

For me it's about half and half anxiety with some horrible form of nausea that I've only ever gotten on shrooms. It's not like a regular stomach ache, or like getting nauseous or even puking on other psychedelics. It's a very bottomless kind of nausea, if you get what I mean. It subsides after an hour or so but it's usually really bad at first. I hate it.

I didn't get it when I ate the mushies I grew myself, so it could just be a freshness thing and actually involve the stomach physically, but it's still a totally crazy-ass kind of nausea I just never want to deal with.

Benadryl seems to help, though.


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Re: I cant do shrooms anymore... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14042959 - 02/28/11 03:32 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

yes that occurs with my shroom eating sessions most regularly, if i make a tea or eat them fresh or make chocolated I dont notice the nausea as much

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