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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14058605 - 03/03/11 07:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not missing anything.  We aren't forced to do anything.  Should we choose we can impose our will to great effect.  Nothing physical prevents it.  Mauritania cannot turn Tunisia into glass.  We can.  We can turn anyplace into glass.  We can turn the whole fucking planet into glass.




Cue evil maniacal laughter.....

Zappa why cant you just feel the love?? We are all fucked until Zappa can feel the love...


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14058765 - 03/03/11 08:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Then you better get used to being :doggystyle:


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TGRR]
    #14058969 - 03/03/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
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zappaisgod said:
That has nothing to do with your stupid assertion that the strongest military in the history of the Earth is forced to bribe people.  It isn't.




Sure as fuck is.  We're doing it right now, have been for years.




I had a beer last night.  Been having beers for years.  I must have been forced.
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And America isn't the strongest military.  It's just the most expensive.




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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14059277 - 03/03/11 10:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I had a beer last night.  Been having beers for years.  I must have been forced.




:awelol:

Yeah!!  Just because someone does something regularly doesn't mean they're forced into doing it, duh.  I'm sick of hearing that from stupid people.

The US Military isn't forced into bribing local warlords in return for local cooperation due to a reduced fear of retribution, they could just kill everyone or leave.  It's entirely their choice.

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: MushyHobo]
    #14059423 - 03/03/11 11:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So let's just go with this.
Say we spin up a few nukes, of course this will be detected. Immediately all nuclear powers are on full alert. Then take the step of an actual launch. Hands are now hovering over the launch buttons everywhere.

So they track the launch and determine the intended target. Now countries are studying wind currents and patterns. Some of them will be much less than pleased.

Another consideration is that while we are using our weapons in one direction we will have to be watching our backs just in case some of those other powers decides this would be a perfect time for a pre-emptive strike.

Now we have the nuclear world on full alert, missles in the air, and possibly India and Pakistan getting pretty pissed.

At this point we should realize that nukes are weapons of mass destruction that have the best effect when used on large population centers. How many of those are in Afghanistan? It would not be even remotely practical to bomb the open countryside in hopes of hitting all the villages.

Sometimes being "forced" into something just involves common sense.

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Icelander]
    #14060024 - 03/03/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Then you better get used to being :doggystyle:
D4D0C8




Yep...I think you might be right. Im gonna need a softer cushion.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TheThinker]
    #14060066 - 03/03/11 01:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TheThinker said:


Sometimes being "forced" into something just involves common sense.




:facepalm:  Everything sensible is compulsory?


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060175 - 03/03/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:


Sometimes being "forced" into something just involves common sense.




:facepalm:  Everything sensible is compulsory?





Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Are you capable of intelligent debate at all?

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TheThinker]
    #14060294 - 03/03/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No, you can't go to another country and kill everyone, we have these things called international laws. You are FORCED into bribing warlords to CONTINUE the Opium and Heroin trade in the east and to ensure US Security in that little specific warlord's shit hole. You are forced because if you didn't you'd be knocking on there doors just like every other Taliban and using the Rules of Engagement to pick em out. You don't just get to turn off consequences, and I don't think you understand that you can't send people to another country to destroy villages, we had enough problems with people coming back from Vietnam. McChrystal wanted to get rid of the RoE, and so does betray us, but they can't... they have blackwater to do that.

Yes, we run the UN, the G8, and the Illuminati. That does not mean we suddenly get to start mass murdering people in foreign countries, we are already pulling that shit off at its cap.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TheThinker]
    #14060307 - 03/03/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:


Sometimes being "forced" into something just involves common sense.




:facepalm:  Everything sensible is compulsory?





Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Are you capable of intelligent debate at all?



So you just got owned by an unintelligent debater.  Doesn't look good on your resume.


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060344 - 03/03/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:  :curbyourenthusiasm:


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OfflineTheThinker
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060352 - 03/03/11 02:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:
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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:


Sometimes being "forced" into something just involves common sense.




:facepalm:  Everything sensible is compulsory?





Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Are you capable of intelligent debate at all?



So you just got owned by an unintelligent debater.  Doesn't look good on your resume.




You owned nothing. The way you transposed "Sometimes" to "Everything" is evidence that you just pwned yourself. Better luck next time.

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TheThinker]
    #14060407 - 03/03/11 02:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Your sole justification for it being "forced" was that it "involved common  sense".  Absent any other justification, what else can you offer us to establish that they were, in fact, "forced" to do it?  You were either derelict or incompetent.  Choose one.  Oh yeah.  Owned.


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060465 - 03/03/11 02:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Your sole justification for it being "forced" was that it "was the only alternative to nuclear armageddon".  Absent any other justification, what else can you offer us to establish that they were, in fact, "forced" to do it?  You were either derelict or incompetent.  Choose one.  Oh yeah.  Owned.




Fixed.


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14060477 - 03/03/11 02:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't need you to apply false dichotomies nor do I need you to alter my quotes.  This isn't OTD.


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060533 - 03/03/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:bigyesnod:

I'm still digging the fact that there are some cats still out there using "owned" in a non-ironic jag.

:laugh2:

That's so old it's square, catch the bus, man!

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060547 - 03/03/11 02:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Your sole justification for it being "forced" was that it "involved common  sense".  Absent any other justification, what else can you offer us to establish that they were, in fact, "forced" to do it?  You were either derelict or incompetent.  Choose one.  Oh yeah.  Owned.




Now we are reduced to name calling. Well, I suppose your lack of argument is the cause of that. How do you think it would work if a nation decided to shoot off nuclear fireworks? MAD is a very real possibility. You see, and let me know if I start using words that are too big for you, Nukes are only a deterrent if they are not used.

We and other nations have nuclear arsenals to insure nukes aren't used against us. A large part of why they work as a deterrent is because everyone who has them understands the possibilities. If a nation suddenly decided to use nukes then the whole deterrent thing kind of collapses.

So you see, if our government decided to use nukes as an offensive weapon then they have violated their oaths to keep our borders safe. The swearing in oath. So, yes, making the correct choice in this case is "forced" on them.

But if you really want we can roll around in the mud and call each other names and argue semantics.

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14060557 - 03/03/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Lord Amok said:
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zappaisgod said:
Your sole justification for it being "forced" was that it "was the only alternative to nuclear armageddon".  Absent any other justification, what else can you offer us to establish that they were, in fact, "forced" to do it?  You were either derelict or incompetent.  Choose one.  Oh yeah.  Owned.




Fixed.




Excellent work.

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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14060631 - 03/03/11 02:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's nice to not have to define your terms, because then when you're just about to look really foolish, you can just haul the goalposts further down the field, with your fingers in your ears, screeching, "neener neener neener, your mom has a weiner."


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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TheThinker]
    #14060663 - 03/03/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
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zappaisgod said:
Your sole justification for it being "forced" was that it "involved common  sense".  Absent any other justification, what else can you offer us to establish that they were, in fact, "forced" to do it?  You were either derelict or incompetent.  Choose one.  Oh yeah.  Owned.




Now we are reduced to name calling.




derelict and incompetent are adjectives, not nouns.
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Well, I suppose your lack of argument is the cause of that. How do you think it would work if a nation decided to shoot off nuclear fireworks? MAD is a very real possibility. You see, and let me know if I start using words that are too big for you, Nukes are only a deterrent if they are not used.




They are only a deterrent if there is a chance they will be used.  Otherwise they are museum pieces.  Curios.
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We and other nations have nuclear arsenals to insure nukes aren't used against us. A large part of why they work as a deterrent is because everyone who has them understands the possibilities. If a nation suddenly decided to use nukes then the whole deterrent thing kind of collapses.




Well yes, obviously, then they would have failed to deter.  Duh.
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So you see, if our government decided to use nukes as an offensive weapon then they have violated their oaths to keep our borders safe. The swearing in oath. So, yes, making the correct choice in this case is "forced" on them.



:rofl2:That's a fucking scream.  The only choices are nukes or bribes?  My you have no imagination at all.
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But if you really want we can roll around in the mud and call each other names and argue semantics.




I have already semantically demolished your whinge that meany ZIG called widdle Tinker a name. 
Semantics is about meaning.  If a bunch of jerkoffs wants to redefine the entire concept of compulsion, as represented here by the word "forced", then it loses all distinction from choice and expedience.  Words used to have meaning............in the hands of floundering debaters not so much.


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