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AlphaFalfa
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Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience?
#14042897 - 02/28/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will it happen or not?
Why or why not?
I don't think it will. Their government insists on using violent means to control the protests. In the end a regime that is not influenced by the west, supported by the chinese and russians, won't ever step down unless geo-politically gaffed by a stronger ally such as china/russia.
A big reason why Mubarak stepped down was because Barak pleaded that he do so. We are and have been a huge influence on egypt for quite a while.
Makes sense then to think that iranians will never be able to over-throw their government.
What action do we take if any?
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14043933 - 02/28/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Shah used to cut peoples' arms and legs off and send them home in a basket.
The Iranians overthrew him anyway.
You seem to be confusing them with the pussies in Iraq.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TGRR]
#14044127 - 02/28/11 06:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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TGRR said: The Shah used to cut peoples' arms and legs off and send them home in a basket.
The Iranians overthrew him anyway.
You seem to be confusing them with the pussies in Iraq.
Your ignorance is astonishing.
Is it not obvious that a change in government has to do with more than just the interactions of the government and its people.
Are you blind?
Did you not see how Mubarak backed down as soon as Obama said so?
Put two and two together more ofter, you might end up with more relevant points in your post.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14044318 - 02/28/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
Your ignorance is astonishing.
Yeah, later, troll.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TGRR]
#14045017 - 02/28/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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It isn't going to happen. GhaddQuote:
TGRR said: The Shah used to cut peoples' arms and legs off and send them home in a basket.
The Iranians overthrew him anyway.
You seem to be confusing them with the pussies in Iraq.
I think a lot of people see the entire mideast like a lego set, interchangable pieces.....
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
#14045149 - 02/28/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I agree, it's probably a lot more complex than that. Like mechano. Or what was that one with the bolts and spanners and it kept coming loose all the time and then your dog would scatter the bits all over the carpet and you'd find a vital part under the sofa like 14 months later and then you've totally given up on it already and suffered the infernal dignity of your friends laughing at you because of your stupid dog? But you showed him, didn't you? Revenge is underestimated in diplomacy. Everyone does it, but no one wants to admit to it. Like the war with Iran - looking at you Obama.
Just like that.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: MushyHobo]
#14048637 - 03/01/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Shah lost the army. Mubarek lost the army. Ghaddafi is in the process of losing the army. The "people" can do nothing but die unless the military at least splits. It is ever thus.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14048810 - 03/01/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's poetry, man.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14050094 - 03/01/11 06:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Shah lost the army. Mubarek lost the army. Ghaddafi is in the process of losing the army. The "people" can do nothing but die unless the military at least splits. It is ever thus.
Tell it to Léger-Félicité Sonthonax.
Or Lord Cornwallis, for that matter.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: TGRR]
#14050152 - 03/01/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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TGRR said:
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zappaisgod said: The Shah lost the army. Mubarek lost the army. Ghaddafi is in the process of losing the army. The "people" can do nothing but die unless the military at least splits. It is ever thus.
Tell it to Léger-Félicité Sonthonax.
Or Lord Cornwallis, for that matter.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Taco Chef]
#14050184 - 03/01/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Their weapons were muskets and swords. Welcome to the 21st century
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14051942 - 03/01/11 11:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Their weapons were muskets and swords. Welcome to the 21st century
This is also the same century in which one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world is forced to bribe locals and pay off warlords to just be allowed to drive along roads we are helping build without being blown up too much.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14053360 - 03/02/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Won't happen as long as one of two things don't occur:
1. The military and police stop putting down protestors and join them. 2. More than just a small subsection of the population are willing to revolt and risk their lives.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14053597 - 03/02/11 09:46 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Canis latrans said:
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zappaisgod said: Their weapons were muskets and swords. Welcome to the 21st century
This is also the same century in which one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world is forced to bribe locals and pay off warlords to just be allowed to drive along roads we are helping build without being blown up too much.
We aren't forced to do that at all. We could turn the whole fucking country into glass in a few hours. We choose not to.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14053710 - 03/02/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: We aren't forced to do that at all. We could turn the whole fucking country into glass in a few hours. We choose not to.
And they should be grateful that you don't!
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Ygor]
#14053728 - 03/02/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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That has nothing to do with your stupid assertion that the strongest military in the history of the Earth is forced to bribe people. It isn't.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14053745 - 03/02/11 10:13 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Canis latrans said:
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zappaisgod said: Their weapons were muskets and swords. Welcome to the 21st century
This is also the same century in which one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world is forced to bribe locals and pay off warlords to just be allowed to drive along roads we are helping build without being blown up too much.
We aren't forced to do that at all. We could turn the whole fucking country into glass in a few hours. We choose not to.
And why is that, do you think? Could it be because that using nuclear weapons would not actually help achieve any of the objectives in those countries where the USA is fighting local or Islamist insurgencies? Or does the USA not choose to use them because of some antiquated adherence to the Marquess of Queensbury rules?
And what use are weapons which don't actually help you achieve your goals, again?
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14053747 - 03/02/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Absolutely correct and why we don't want Iran having nukes.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Icelander]
#14053772 - 03/02/11 10:19 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Absolutely correct and why we don't want Iran having nukes.
Who's "we"?
Iran doesn't have missiles that can reach my house. I don't give a rat's ass. If Iran and Israel want to do a re-run of the Cold War, minature scale, I say "have at it". Maybe they'll figure out how incredibly stupid the whole idea is, or the dipshits will end up killing each other off before that obvious conclusion occurs to them. Neither outcome seems like a great loss for humanity.
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Re: Iranian Overthrow of Governmen - Imminence or Transience? [Re: Subetai]
#14053785 - 03/02/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Subetai said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Canis latrans said:
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zappaisgod said: Their weapons were muskets and swords. Welcome to the 21st century
This is also the same century in which one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world is forced to bribe locals and pay off warlords to just be allowed to drive along roads we are helping build without being blown up too much.
We aren't forced to do that at all. We could turn the whole fucking country into glass in a few hours. We choose not to.
And why is that, do you think? Could it be because that using nuclear weapons would not actually help achieve any of the objectives in those countries where the USA is fighting local or Islamist insurgencies? Or does the USA not choose to use them because of some antiquated adherence to the Marquess of Queensbury rules?
Once again a failure to follow a point. What is the objective? To prevent any more 9/11 nurseries from operating under state protection. We could certainly achieve that by making Afghanistan glow for a thousand years. We choose not to. Quote:
And what use are weapons which don't actually help you achieve your goals, again?
See cold war. Also look up deterrent in the dictionary.
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