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MasterP1247
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1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions
#14036659 - 02/27/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all,
JUst to introduce my situation a little bit.... I've been coming to the shroomery for about year now to look for info but have never posted. I have tried two grows in the past (1 "successful") but took neither too seriously. I used BRF cakes and didn't case.
I'm currently on my third grow and trying to do things right this time. I have 3 pint sized BRF cakes that became fully colonzied today so i want to birth them next weekend. I also have 12 1/2 pints that will be fully colonized within the week. I want to get this out in the community and get any help/feedback I can as I get into the main parts of this grow project..
First things are a couple of casing and FC questions..
1. I want to order all my casing mix stuff today to get it by next wkend... Should I go with the 60/40 Verm/Coco coir mix (with calc carb) or the 50/50 Verm/Peat Moss mix (with calc carb and oyster shells)? Is there a strong preference one way or the other? Is there a different mix that I should use instead of either of these?
2. For my FC I am using ShroomGod's humidifier TEK <http://www.shroomery.org/37/ShroomGods-Humidifier-Tek> using a cool mist humidifier connected to a garden hose. I plan to connect the hose to the bottom part of the side of my FC (a large plastic container). Should I place a series of small holes at the top of my FC to allow air to flow out? I'm guessing that I should. Do you think other holes will be needed for air exchange? Do you think I should throw perlite at the bottom of the FC for extra humitdity or can i just put the trays on the base of the tub? I plan to keep the humidifier running 24/7 which sounds like it should cover humidity/air exchange.
3. Im setting up my light fixture right now... I have a T-12 48" fluorescent double light fixture and ended up buying two different kinds of bulbs. Both are 40 watts, one type is 6500K and the other is 5000K. I was thinking of putting one of each type in the fixture. Does that sounds OK or is it better to just go with two 5000K or two 6500K bulbs? I have a timer and plan to run them 12 hr on/12 hr off.
4. Should I dunk the cakes for 24 hrs before breaking/casing or just immediately case when I birth them?
5. Is it bad if the top to my FC doesn't snap on? There were no clear plastic tops that fit the big plastic container I got but I found a clear top that covers it completely (it was for a different large container that walmart was sold out of)
Some other information that may be useful: The three strains I currently have colonizing are Creeper, Texas, and Cambodia. I plan to case them and keep them covered in a heated plastic container (hopefully 85F) for a few days until I see some myc and then I will uncover and put in the FC. I plan to keep the FC at room temp. It's an upstairs room so its about 72 F all the time (hopefully with a few extra degrees from the light it should be perfect).
There you have it! If I get some good responses/interest I will post some pics of my final FC setup and keep a running update of how the grow is progressing. I'm sure I will have a lot more questions/issues.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14036763 - 02/27/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The strain you have is P. Cubensis. The sub-strain or race is Creeper texas and cambodia.
Everything looks good imo, i really dont see the diff. bulbs hurting anything, they (shrooms) really dont need much light but im not sure.... And you deff wanna dunk for ~24 hours before doing any rolling or casing. And if u plan on running the humidifier 24/7 make sure ur not over saturating, u may find yourself putting in on a timer for 1/2 hour incriments throuout the day.
Just my 2 cents, im an ameture as well, just thought id help to get this thread going..
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14045883 - 02/28/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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george, thanks for the response.
So Ive been playing around with the FC settings. Even with half hour on/half hour off with the humidifier the FC becomes VERY hydrated and gets large drops of water on the bottom. Is this bad?? The humidity reads at 95% but the hydrometer i have is pretty cheap.
Right now I only have two rows of small holes around the top for air to escape so I think i need to open up the top a little more and let the humid air flow out as quickly as it flows in. within a minute of turning the humidifier on the whole FC is in a fog. 
Thanks
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14045919 - 02/28/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah man u would prob be better off making a standard sgfc and using ur humidifier to raise the RH in your room. A SGFC functions best in a room with a relative humidity of 50% or above. A direct inject humidifier is prob just too much for that small FC
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14045923 - 02/28/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any incubation temp over 80F is raising the risk for contams, 70-78F is fine just sit them on a shelf if your house doesn't get below the low 50s, room temp will lower risks of contamination.
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14045933 - 02/28/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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6500k is best 12/12
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14045951 - 02/28/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you could also try 10 minutes on every hour or so. And if its a digi hydrometer i wouldnt trust it. And ^^^ is correct room temp is fine
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14045969 - 02/28/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have heard again and again if you are going to do bulk to follow a grain tek, they say if you have cakes fruit them as cakes but there have also been many successful grows casing cakes so that is your call. I just know that many more experienced people have said that its a bad idea to break up cakes and bulk should be done from a specific tek. Don't go by what I say there though because I am just telling you what I have read not by experience. I would research it more first if I were you though.
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14075027 - 03/06/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the posts.
I am going to let most of these fruit as cakes and try to spawn one of the substrains.
I have a couple cakes just finished colonization and they started pinning in the jar!! Should I pop out and place right in FC or dunk first? Do I tear off the little pins that already started forming or just let them sit there? I'm guessing theyll become aborts after getting stuck in the jar..
Help!
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14075256 - 03/06/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dunk before FC. Leave pins on, most of the time they do just fine. If they abort, pick them off and a new pin-set should come in a few days. Looks good!
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: mathias]
#14078892 - 03/06/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK there ended up being a a bunch of pins on 4 out of 6 cakes. There is this blue on some of the pins.. im guessing its bruising from the pins hitting the jar and not contam as it was on several of the cakes. Picture of the worst one below.. can someone confirm whether this is just bruising?

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biologys
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14078926 - 03/06/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep thats bruising.
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: biologys]
#14078998 - 03/07/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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look at my sig for my cool mist setup.
an impeller style humidifier will not provide enough RH on its own. Tops out around 85-90.
Add 2" of perlite to the bottom for your RH. There will be lots of condensation on the walls, which is normal. Limit the humidifier to a max of 30 on, 90 off or your cakes are going to get awfully saturated. I personally prefer 15 on, 105 off.
Leave the exhaust holes open, no tape or polyfill or you're going to get your cakes all wet.
My recommendation: use perlite for RH. use the humidifier for FAE. fan and mist as you would 2-3 times a day.
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#14095701 - 03/09/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yakwhacker took your advice and put perlite in the bottom of FC.. conditions look good 
OK so a couple of the pins that started in the jars actually had their tops open(or however you would say it) when I got home a min ago .. they did not really get any bigger though and it seems like they are done for. How long do I wait before pulling these pins off and hoping for another pinset? Check out the pics.. most of these pins were about as big when I took them out of the jars. Also, it looks like there is some good cottony myc forming around the bottom of the cakes and poking through the verm layer of the ones I rolled. It seems to me that the cake is gathering its resources and preparing to put out. Do I detach the existing pins before this happens?




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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14095721 - 03/09/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, wait for the pins to either grow and tear the veil, or until the caps turn black which means they aborted.
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: biologys]
#14095752 - 03/09/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so then leave the couple that already tore the veil? like the one in the top pic..
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14095760 - 03/09/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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definitely a couple dark caps in there too. ill wait for tomorrw and see what is what.
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14095766 - 03/09/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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didn't pay attention, yeah that cap is already open you can harvest them
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: biologys]
#14096015 - 03/10/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good job on the perlite, your cakes thank you 
did you keep the cool mist on 24/7? It will work but it's gonna make it way too wet. The perlite and the cakes will not perform ideally after a week or two.
if you haven't, i'd recommend grabbing a $5 timer from wally world's hardware section and at least giving it a small break.
24/7 cool mist + perlite = too low RH + too much wet in the air. At least for cubes.
sounds weird, but its true.
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14096028 - 03/10/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
MasterP1247 said: How long do I wait before pulling these pins off and hoping for another pinset?

once the veil is broken and the gills are exposed like that, they're no longer pins
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#14097959 - 03/10/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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should i just take off the ones that broke or clean these off completely? there is still some pins that could grow more but honestly i feel like cleaning them off complete so they can create a new set would be best.. although I really have no idea which is why I am asking the community??
yakwacker i set my humidifier for 30 on,90 off.. my hose isn't very long through and its throwing out some serious foggy wet air.. I have a few more holes on the top though so it doesnt sit in there the entire 90 mins off. the cakes dont seem to be overly wet. there is also alot more cottony myc forming around the bottom of all the cakes so i think they are in good condition.
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14098107 - 03/10/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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what the hell do i do with this thing???
its like a big stem that formed in the jar but no cap.. seems to be connected to the cake at both ends.


is it normal to have stems that are really fuzzy? not sure how these freshies are supposed to look
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MasterP1247
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Re: 1st Post/Grow.. FC build and casing questions [Re: MasterP1247]
#14098115 - 03/10/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the whole stem of the ones i took off was connected to the cake because of the way they grew.. it seems like fuzzy myc just grew over them..
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