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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) [Re: deCypher] 1
#14033427 - 02/26/11 10:51 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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deCypher said: I want to be reincarnated as a rock.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14033430 - 02/26/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) [Re: deCypher]
#14033713 - 02/26/11 11:34 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Okay I want to get this out so I'm going to attempt to make it understandable..
Following is my opinion. Very open to everything you have an arguement against.
Perhaps we already do reincarnate but during this process we forget or are simply unaware of it happening.
Following are based on what I've heard/seen during my life.
The older people get the less they remember things. - such as forgetting how to go to the toilet. Have you learned anything from the past that you forget now? - such as high school/middle school/college How do we know this doesn't occur with other things.. - do you remember specifically what you did say.. 3 years and 10 days ago?
9 months of complete darkness or dreaming would do damage to your memory, right?
Now to delve a little deeper..
How many are aware of the time they enter dreams from the time they are sleeping? - rare right?
What if reincarnation happens and we just have not been able to recognize it happening because we are not self aware enough.
Now what would happen if a totally aware elderly person dies naturally but is self aware to recognize between their reality and their dreams.. If reincarnation is true would this person be coherent enough to recognize they have been reborn?
Then there are the 'unexpected' deaths such from a car crash or a stray bullet.
Now if you were not able to recognize your dreams from reality and you were suddenly to go into dreamland how would you know how to distinguish when you come around to your dreams?
People who go into comas sometimes come out remembering nothing at all. - Perhaps this means that everything we do is irrelevant or we are simply not on the 'right' path.
Now if this is true the question is.. How do we become self aware and keep our memory. - I think once you are able to control your ability to enter dreams and come out and recognize between the dream and reality you may gain the ability to be aware of your death when you die. (Yes your dreams could be considered your reality but I mean your waking state)
- Do we need some sort of common occurance to keep our memory alive? Such as love?
Open to everything, let me have it. Really wanted to get this out, so haven't had much but about an hour to think of enough to type up.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) [Re: giza]
#14034607 - 02/27/11 06:43 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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This is something that I often think about. Will get back to you tomorrow as I am very tired at the moment! But maybe while I'm dreaming I will think about it a bit more
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14035147 - 02/27/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Restraining myself from detailing the silliness of the question, I think I'll just say no.
With the given conditions and assuming one would be reincarnated into a random human baby, it seems that you're basically asking if one believes that they've received the short end of the stick in terms of their body, or if their suffering forecast in this form is looking particularly gloomy.
This reminds me of playing the old d&d pc games. I'd keep rerolling my character's starting stats to get the highest spread I could.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: DisoRDeR]
#14036240 - 02/27/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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DisoRDeR said: Restraining myself from detailing the silliness of the question, I think I'll just say no.
With the given conditions and assuming one would be reincarnated into a random human baby, it seems that you're basically asking if one believes that they've received the short end of the stick in terms of their body, or if their suffering forecast in this form is looking particularly gloomy.
This reminds me of playing the old d&d pc games. I'd keep rerolling my character's starting stats to get the highest spread I could.
Just trying to open people's minds to the possibility of it being true
I see no problem with believing in something that may not be true, but gives you closure on dying. If a person gets depressed, they are given medication to help. These words are like medication to some who have fear of death.
You telling me it's silly, shows how powerful belief really is. You seem to have already committed to thinking a certain way about life or death, so much that you called my belief silly. Which is great that you stick by your own beliefs.
I just don't believe you should rule anything that is possible out just because it sounds 'silly'.
There must be reincarnation of some sorts, or there is no point to life at all. You live, you die.. After those who knew you personally dies your memory dies with them Which means your life has meant nothing, nothing but a dead memory.
Why would we have existed all these years and not have become non-existent because of irrelevance to us living.
I believe we do reincarnate, it's just that we may not always become human again since there would be so many options to choose from.
Since the human population is still growing, I believe it just a matter of time until we figure out how to reincarnate or live forever. Our conscious is the most important thing in life, because noone is us and we are no one else. I would think after all these years of existence we would treasure our conscious enough to figure out how make it immortal. Obviously life is of some importance for there are laws that govern us from taking anothers life.
Just does not make sense for this not to be true. It is not like there's not enough room for us. Can't even fathom how big space is. Can't tell how many livable planets there are that we could reincarnate at.
If we do not reincarnate there is really nothing
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14036300 - 02/27/11 02:24 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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@Disorder, Could you detail the silliness, if you have time. Would love to hear it.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14036832 - 02/27/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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giza said: If reincarnation was proven.. And you could kill your present self and be reincarnated as a human again.. (on earth) (Your memory stays intact)
That's not at all how reincarnation is "supposed" to work...
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14036838 - 02/27/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Do you also believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors? How does reincarnation fit into this perspective, going all the way back down the tree of life to the original self-replicating molecule?
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: deCypher]
#14036883 - 02/27/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Do you also believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors? How does reincarnation fit into this perspective, going all the way back down the tree of life to the original self-replicating molecule?
Is Earth the only planet with life on it?
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: durantz]
#14036893 - 02/27/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Probably not, but how is that relevant?
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: deCypher]
#14036894 - 02/27/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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There must be reincarnation of some sorts, or there is no point to life at all. You live, you die.. After those who knew you personally dies your memory dies with them Which means your life has meant nothing, nothing but a dead memory.
DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! Your reasoning seems to be "If I don't like it, I'm going to ignore it"
And honestly I think you're whole conceptualization is wrong. Life and death are an illusion, the only reason you believe in life and death are because you think in language. When you stop thinking in language and just observe the universe as it is, it's pretty clear that life and death don't really exist
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: durantz]
#14036909 - 02/27/11 04:32 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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durantz said:
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deCypher said: Do you also believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors? How does reincarnation fit into this perspective, going all the way back down the tree of life to the original self-replicating molecule?
Is Earth the only planet with life on it?
In either case, the issue still remains.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: deCypher]
#14036918 - 02/27/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Probably not, but how is that relevant?
Well why wouldn't lifeforms from other planets be reincarnated on Earth and visa versa?
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: durantz]
#14036922 - 02/27/11 04:34 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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But you're just speculating, and when these concepts were "invented" they had no knowledge of life on other planets so it is assumed that they are to be ignored.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: learningtofly]
#14036925 - 02/27/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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There must be reincarnation of some sorts, or there is no point to life at all. You live, you die.. After those who knew you personally dies your memory dies with them Which means your life has meant nothing, nothing but a dead memory.
DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! Your reasoning seems to be "If I don't like it, I'm going to ignore it"
And honestly I think you're whole conceptualization is wrong. Life and death are an illusion, the only reason you believe in life and death are because you think in language. When you stop thinking in language and just observe the universe as it is, it's pretty clear that life and death don't really exist
No, I am merely putting out one of my questions of life. When did I say "If I don't like it, I'm going to ignore it"?
I am open to everyones views, not saying I would believe them. I am just very interested in the ways of becoming immortal, even though there isn't a "way" yet that is known, does not mean there isn't one either.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: learningtofly]
#14036929 - 02/27/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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learningtofly said: But you're just speculating, and when these concepts were "invented" they had no knowledge of life on other planets so it is assumed that they are to be ignored.
Negative. Study Buddhism... they believe in other worlds with life on it.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: deCypher]
#14036936 - 02/27/11 04:38 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Do you also believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors? How does reincarnation fit into this perspective, going all the way back down the tree of life to the original self-replicating molecule?
No I have not studied the thoughts of evolution as of yet.
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14036938 - 02/27/11 04:38 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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There must be reincarnation of some sorts, or there is no point to life at all. You live, you die.. After those who knew you personally dies your memory dies with them Which means your life has meant nothing, nothing but a dead memory.
DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! DEATH ANXIETY ALERT! Your reasoning seems to be "If I don't like it, I'm going to ignore it"
And honestly I think you're whole conceptualization is wrong. Life and death are an illusion, the only reason you believe in life and death are because you think in language. When you stop thinking in language and just observe the universe as it is, it's pretty clear that life and death don't really exist
No, I am merely putting out one of my questions of life. When did I say "If I don't like it, I'm going to ignore it"?
I am open to everyones views, not saying I would believe them. I am just very interested in the ways of becoming immortal, even though there isn't a "way" yet that is known, does not mean there isn't one either.
If you're not afraid of death then why do you want life to have a meaning and why do you want to be immortal?
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Re: If reincarnation was proven.. would you? (poll) (MORE SPECIFIC) [Re: giza]
#14036949 - 02/27/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Do you also believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors? How does reincarnation fit into this perspective, going all the way back down the tree of life to the original self-replicating molecule?
No I have not studied the thoughts of evolution as of yet.
Check out Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker... they provide a great introduction to the theory of evolution and natural selection.
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