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Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name?
#14036165 - 02/27/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20928012.700-is-lack-of-sleep-and-water-giving-ecstasy-a-bad-name.html
Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name?
* 24 February 2011 * Magazine issue 2801. Subscribe and save * For similar stories, visit the Drugs and Alcohol Topic Guide
ALL-NIGHT ravers who take ecstasy might not be harming their brains any more than drug-free party animals.
So say John Halpern and colleagues at Harvard Medical School in Boston, who argue that many studies apparently showing that ecstasy use can lead to memory loss and depression were flawed as they did not take account of the rave culture associated with ecstasy use. Lack of sleep and dehydration resulting from all-night dancing can cause cognitive problems on their own, they say.
Halpern's team compared ecstasy users with non-users who had a history of all-night dancing with limited exposure to alcohol and drugs. Both groups completed tests for verbal fluency, memory, depression and other factors.
The team found no significant differences in cognitive performance between the two groups, even when they compared non-users with heavy users of the drug (Addiction, DOI: 10.1111/j.1360-0443.2010.03252).
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: supercollider]
#14036217 - 02/27/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I want to believe this being an avid lover of MDMA but just because it may not effect your cognitive abilites doesn't mean it won't fuck with your emotional balance in a large way.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#14036253 - 02/27/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: I want to believe this being an avid lover of MDMA but just because it may not effect your cognitive abilites doesn't mean it won't fuck with your emotional balance in a large way.
same here, ive had chill nights at home with mdma, no dancing, plenty of water and i still get really fucking depressed the next few days.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: kintos]
#14036414 - 02/27/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: I want to believe this being an avid lover of MDMA but just because it may not effect your cognitive abilites doesn't mean it won't fuck with your emotional balance in a large way.
same here, ive had chill nights at home with mdma, no dancing, plenty of water and i still get really fucking depressed the next few days.
How often do you guys use MDMA and what sort of dose?...
At the "peak" of my most often use I was rolling 1 to 2 times a month, taking 150mg-200mg each time. And I never felt "depressed" the days after or noticed any emotional changes or cognitive effects as far as I can tell. It's been 2 years now since then...
Now the times I've had pills with unknown substances within them, that's a different story...But with known pure MDMA, I actually feel amazing and have an "afterglow" of positivity for days to weeks after...


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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: openmind]
#14036465 - 02/27/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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^moderation is key. i'd imagine even after heavy use though that the brain would go back to normal after a period of time, not sure how long that would be though.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: bigmike7104]
#14036497 - 02/27/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ecstacy is not a drug to do more than a handful of times. For me the whole time I was on it I felt like it was very close to having negative physical aspects on the body and not to mention the next days after use you feel like crap.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: laruta_21]
#14036587 - 02/27/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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not to mention the next days after use you feel like crap.
I think you should've said "not to mention the next days after use I feel like crap. Because the way it's written now is a lie.
I feel excellent the next couple of days. I always take some 5-HTP though when I come down and one or two the next day.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: Shpongle1]
#14036597 - 02/27/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well for me I do feel like crap but its pretty much a general consensus that ecstacy makes you feel like crap after you come down
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: laruta_21]
#14036612 - 02/27/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive never tried taking 5htp after ecstacy use. Used it after other pscyhedelics though and I could see a noticeable difference in how I felt.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: laruta_21]
#14036751 - 02/27/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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laruta_21 said: well for me I do feel like crap but its pretty much a general consensus that ecstacy makes you feel like crap after you come down
When you say ecstasy do you mean any ol' pressed pill, or pure crystal MDMA?...
The few times I've ate random pressed pills not knowing what they're composed of I've felt like shit the days after, and even during the come down (probably not mdma, or was cut). But like I mentioned before with pure straight MDMA, there is virtually no come down, I just gently float back down to "baseline".
I, as well as everyone else I know that takes only MDMA (not pills), feels fine the day after...Perhaps a bit tired and physically drained from being up and dancing all night, but nothing a bit of rest and a good meal can't fix...
This is what sucks these days, is when someone refers to "ecstasy" I think of a pressed pill with random substances and perhaps a bit of MDMA. Back in the day through out the 90's ecstasy was only MDMA, now your lucky if that's what you're getting in your pills. And that's why I only touch known cystal MDMA....Fuck pills, dirty
It's unfortunate, many people will gobble down pills thinking they're getting MDMA, when in reality it's probably some sort of piperazine or a pill cut with meth. Then they feel like shit the days after and that's the impression they get of MDMA, and the impression most have.....
I'm not saying there are no risks involved with MDMA, just keep everything in moderation, and make sure what you're getting is in-fact MDMA....There's a HUGE difference!!!

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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: kintos]
#14037004 - 02/27/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: I want to believe this being an avid lover of MDMA but just because it may not effect your cognitive abilites doesn't mean it won't fuck with your emotional balance in a large way.
same here, ive had chill nights at home with mdma, no dancing, plenty of water and i still get really fucking depressed the next few days.
Ya, but those are still short term effects. But that low is too low for me to brave very often, even though it is the most perfect feeling. I'm not worried about long term damage, I'm worried about short-term emotional shittiness. Beyond shittiness.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: bigmike7104]
#14037021 - 02/27/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: ^moderation is key. i'd imagine even after heavy use though that the brain would go back to normal after a period of time, not sure how long that would be though.
the only time ive ever had presses ive never had a good time it was always negative. ive only taken them 3 times but i will never again. every time ive had pure MDMA ive had an amazing time with no hangover to be noticed..i used for two days straight and still didnt notice a hangover...and ive dealt with depression and still do. ive used mdma many times and plan to i dont think the negative repercussions of a drug (like the hangover of alcohol) can be compared as well as the actual drug experience because i also think they vary too much from person to person
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: openmind]
#14037048 - 02/27/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zenthor said:
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Midnight_Toker said: I want to believe this being an avid lover of MDMA but just because it may not effect your cognitive abilites doesn't mean it won't fuck with your emotional balance in a large way.
same here, ive had chill nights at home with mdma, no dancing, plenty of water and i still get really fucking depressed the next few days.
How often do you guys use MDMA and what sort of dose?...
1-2 times per week 50-250mg per time. Never experienced any depression though a wee bit off emotional instability (but I just think twice about things )
I definetly believe that is one of the bigger problems with stimulants. -> dehydration, massive water intake, low natrium -> cognitive dysfunctions.
Sleep is even more important...
Edited by Beanhead (02/27/11 05:39 PM)
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: Beanhead]
#14037443 - 02/27/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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MDMA and ecstasy are two different things. ecstasy has MDMA in it but a lot of other crap (that causes the comedown) MDMA doesn't have this added shit so you shouldn't be getting much of a comedown if its pure MDMA. 4 years of taking it almost every weekend sometimes a gram or more a weekend and i can't remember a comedown, taking ecstasy pills sometimes and i do remember a comedown.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: mexicanjewlucas]
#14037796 - 02/27/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My experience with MDMA is that it can provide rewarding and even spiritual experiences. I believe that it is an Ally that is best used infrequently. This can be said with all psychedelics, but is particularly true with Ecstasy.
My ecstasy trips are usually followed by several days of hardship. This is not my experience with Allies such as Mushrooms.
I agree with the Shulgin's statement that when ecstasy is used frequently it loses its "magic".
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: FleshCap]
#14037873 - 02/27/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whenever I've done Ecstasy/MDMA, I've never experienced depression, and as openmind said I experienced an afterglow for several days after. MDMA should be used rarely for the best results, I believe.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: Shpongle1]
#14037962 - 02/27/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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not to mention the next days after use you feel like crap.
I think you should've said "not to mention the next days after use I feel like crap. Because the way it's written now is a lie.
I feel excellent the next couple of days. I always take some 5-HTP though when I come down and one or two the next day.
Eat a lot of bananas before, during, and after rolling. That will give you some key chemicals to help replenish what ecstasy will deplete. They just taste fucking good too.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: destructo_low]
#14038436 - 02/27/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah im talking bout molly or pure crystal. I hate ecstacy pills unless I know who pressed em. Stuffs fun dont get me wrong..but i feel like it does harm to my body compared to the other psychedelic drugs out there
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: laruta_21]
#14038803 - 02/27/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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think of it this way. you need anywhere from 50-250mg of MDMA for a hit, how much does a pill weigh? 1 gram? so three quarters of that pill is not MDMA, at minimum. thats what makes you feel like shit the next day. not the MDMA.
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Re: Is lack of sleep and water giving ecstasy a bad name? [Re: mexicanjewlucas]
#14040617 - 02/28/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mexicanjewlucas said: MDMA and ecstasy are two different things. ecstasy has MDMA in it but a lot of other crap (that causes the comedown) MDMA doesn't have this added shit so you shouldn't be getting much of a comedown if its pure MDMA. 4 years of taking it almost every weekend sometimes a gram or more a weekend and i can't remember a comedown, taking ecstasy pills sometimes and i do remember a comedown.
Maybe you have shit pills but I don't 
Mine is purely MDMA (I can get these tested for dosage and what is in them in Holland ; )
Hahahahahahha such bullshit. The only thing that keeps the pill together is lactose and if that's what makes you feel like shit
oh man i'm just going to leave this thread now
Edited by Beanhead (02/28/11 07:46 AM)
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