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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14032723 - 02/26/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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One could solely pursue humility for the good feeling it brings up, but I think a more common or at least more useful effect would be the avoidance of downfall via pride, which boasting does not bring. If anything, it would increase one's chances of slipping up due to pride IMO.
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That's what makes one more mature than the other IMO. You have to learn the effects of boasting before you can attempt to avoid them. You have to learn the effects of attachment before you realize that they do not bring anything of worth. That sort of thing...
This was mostly to encourage those who see boasting as a negative thing and humbleness as superior to ease up a bit with the judgment
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14032751 - 02/26/11 09:09 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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So long as you aren't advocating that humility/humbleness is automatically a negative thing...
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I see no thing such as humbleness. I see attempts towards acceptance that lead to both boasting and humility, and then a learning curve in between.
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle] 1
#14032788 - 02/26/11 09:13 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Hmm, but my point was that humility isn't necessarily spurred by a desire for acceptance. Boasting is, but humility can be driven by a desire to avoid the negative effects of pride.
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The line is so blurred for me that I guess I agree. In my eyes pride/boasting are the same thing and are compensatory effects of not being able to accept all of your abilities in equal measure. The ones that you are good at are the ones you brag about. Humility is the acceptance of all your abilities in equal measure, at least IMO. And sure, it is the incompleteness of bragging that keeps one continuing the search for greater degrees of acceptance.
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14034289 - 02/27/11 02:53 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Kickle said: But, again, humility is often just a braggadocios title that attempts to gain special merits IMO.
Then its not humility, its just another badge of pride...
I dont think anyone truly humble would say 'i am humble' or even think they are, but they could still feel humbled by something they have seen or experienced, like losing a close friend to death, seeing the earth from space, realizing how huge the sun is compared to our earth, looking at immensity of the stars etc...
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Sensing that you aren't anything but a blip on the radar is humbling, if you've made yourself out to be something more. If you honestly see yourself as nothing tho, how could any of that humble you? What is there to humble?
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I'm probably the most humble poster here at the Shroomery. Humble as fuck!
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Lion] 1
#14035149 - 02/27/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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i'm humbler
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Re: Humbleness [Re: deff] 1
#14035277 - 02/27/11 11:05 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Guys! Come on! The first rule of humbleness club is what? Hmmm?
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14035936 - 02/27/11 01:14 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Kickle said: The first rule of humbleness club is what? Hmmm?
to argue about it?
and afterward, make sardonic jokes? 
the subtlety speaks.
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It is what it is. I respect Chronic and see the Tao flowing out of him. Doesn't mean he can't lead from behind sometimes, just like the rest of us.
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Which definition?
adj. hum·bler, hum·blest 1. Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful. 2. Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology. 3. Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage. tr.v. hum·bled, hum·bling, hum·bles 1. To curtail or destroy the pride of; humiliate. 2. To cause to be meek or modest in spirit. 3. To give a lower condition or station to; abase. See Synonyms at degrade.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/humbleness
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14036090 - 02/27/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Kickle said: It is what it is.
it is, however an excuse that may be.
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An excuse for what? If you get hurt over a joke, I really don't see how it is my fault. The world does far worse than make jokes, you probably better buckle up.
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
#14036174 - 02/27/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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an excuse to admit to something.
I never implied it was your fault.
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Sorry, I figured you were implying something about humbleness that I was missing.
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle] 1
#14036258 - 02/27/11 02:13 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle] 1
#14037266 - 02/27/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Kickle said: It is what it is. I respect Chronic and see the Tao flowing out of him.
Sometimes he spills it all over everyone.
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