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Hitsuzen
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Lord Amok]
#14064020 - 03/03/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrGonz0 said: Worthwhile Argument
Person #1: Cats are cute. Person #2: No, cats look evil. Person #1: What about when they purr and knead at you? Person #2: Well yeah I mean that's cute. But they have evil looking eyes. Person #1: I can see where you're coming from. Person #2: And they don't show affection like dogs do. Person #1: True, but they do in their own way. Person #2: So cats look evil, but they can be cute in a different way. Person #1: Sounds reasonable.
This Argument Person #1: CAPITALISM or die Person #2: SOCIALISM or die Person #1: CAPITALISM or you make me laugh Person #2: SOCIALISM or you're a fascist Person #1: You're a communist!
I seem to recall it being more like SOCIALISM IS EVIL AND HORRIBLE/it really isn't that bad/YES IT IS, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORLDS AND SHITS/no, not really, I live with it every day/SHUT UP LIBERAL FASCIST PUSSY BITCH/why/THE FREE MARKET DEMANDS IT
But ok.
I'm a socialist bro. 
Just trying to illustrate that no-one gains from arguments like these.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14064075 - 03/04/11 12:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's an unbiased definition of socialism: It's what happens when you give idiots the keys to the kingdom.
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Hitsuzen
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hakim0777] 1
#14064238 - 03/04/11 12:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Screaming Eagle said: Here's an unbiased definition of socialism: It's what happens when you give idiots the keys to the kingdom.
This is a prime example of why this thread isn't worth the time.
(And blocking Screaming Eagle for having 0 / 17 constructive posts.)
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Edited by Hitsuzen (03/04/11 01:19 AM)
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: johnm214]
#14064886 - 03/04/11 06:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Bullshit. He's guaranteed Medicaid or medicare, whichever one it is for geezers.
And does that pay for treatments for macular degeneration at his age? Or early treatment for a cancer or three?
Either way, I am fairly amazed that you're upholding a government-sponsored medical system, rather than extolling the virtues of the "free market".
If it were left to Hartford or Blue Cross, the old monster would have been dead 20 years ago.
yes, medicare covers all that crap- essentially freely
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Either way, I am fairly amazed that you're upholding a government-sponsored medical system, rather than extolling the virtues of the "free market".
where did he do that? You say it. but, as typical, dont show it
You did it too. Look at the bolded above. Medicaid and Medicare are Socialist government-sponsored medical systems.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14065139 - 03/04/11 08:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see that he correctly stated that in America the given person would have full coverage for his ailments. You have bolded certain words, but I don't see how that shows him endorsing the programs. It seems that he only identified their scope.
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I'm a socialist bro. 
Just trying to illustrate that no-one gains from arguments like these.
Yeah, basically I think the original question was poor: pretty much just an invitation for prejudice and sweeping generalizations. As "socialism" is a vague term more often used as a metaphor than a bona-fide lable. Additionally, in the US its not something many people would self-identify with- probably cold war nationalism and tyranical communist states coloring the perception.
I think a useful discussion could be had, but it would need to much more narrow with defined terms. Without this, its not even clear what the topic under discussion is and people are I assume many people who might have thoughtful things to say aren't bothering due to the uninteresting topic. Things such as whether the loss of liberty seen in historically communist states are inevitable or a result of pure Marxist thought might be a better topic I could imagine.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: johnm214]
#14065471 - 03/04/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: I see that he correctly stated that in America the given person would have full coverage for his ailments. You have bolded certain words, but I don't see how that shows him endorsing the programs. It seems that he only identified their scope.
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DrGonz0 said:
I'm a socialist bro. 
Just trying to illustrate that no-one gains from arguments like these.
Yeah, basically I think the original question was poor: pretty much just an invitation for prejudice and sweeping generalizations. As "socialism" is a vague term more often used as a metaphor than a bona-fide lable. Additionally, in the US its not something many people would self-identify with- probably cold war nationalism and tyranical communist states coloring the perception.
I think a useful discussion could be had, but it would need to much more narrow with defined terms. Without this, its not even clear what the topic under discussion is and people are I assume many people who might have thoughtful things to say aren't bothering due to the uninteresting topic. Things such as whether the loss of liberty seen in historically communist states are inevitable or a result of pure Marxist thought might be a better topic I could imagine.

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