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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14060741 - 03/03/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

To the previous three posters, rather than pandering to the incredulous, perhaps you could enlighten us with your brilliance and post something that actually refutes what I said earlier.  I'll even help you out a bit... there are many different definitions of "socialism".  I happened to choose one of them, commonly known as Libertarian Socialism or Social Anarchism.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
    #14060954 - 03/03/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
To the previous three posters, rather than pandering to the incredulous, perhaps you could enlighten us with your brilliance and post something that actually refutes what I said earlier.  I'll even help you out a bit... there are many different definitions of "socialism".  I happened to choose one of them, commonly known as Libertarian Socialism or Social Anarchism.




Then your statement refutes itself. That's only one form of socialism. Nobody's claiming that the military falls under that specific form.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14061108 - 03/03/11 04:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

take from the rich
give to the poor
your work goes toward the benefit of Social Justice and growth
Doesn't work most of the time because Moscow politicians are just as bad as Washington politicians
However if you want to take a look at modern socialism and how it has evolved take a look at countries like France, Canada, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Italy, and Ireland. While there are some rocky examples, the socialist governments have managed to flourish.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Trufflicious]
    #14061122 - 03/03/11 04:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Trufflicious said:
take from the rich
give to the poor
your work goes toward the benefit of Social Justice and growth
Doesn't work most of the time because Moscow politicians are just as bad as Washington politicians
However if you want to take a look at modern socialism and how it has evolved take a look at countries like France, Canada, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Italy, and Ireland. While there are some rocky examples, the socialist governments have managed to flourish.



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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061197 - 03/03/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Trufflicious said:
take from the rich
give to the poor
your work goes toward the benefit of Social Justice and growth
Doesn't work most of the time because Moscow politicians are just as bad as Washington politicians
However if you want to take a look at modern socialism and how it has evolved take a look at countries like France, Canada, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Italy, and Ireland. While there are some rocky examples, the socialist governments have managed to flourish.



:rofl2:



As a Canadian, I can tell you that this is actually fairly accurate.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14061232 - 03/03/11 04:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

As an American who once lived very near Canada I commiserate.

By the way, you don't happen to be a Canadian who pays much in taxes or is actually old or infirm enough to need health care, are you?


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061259 - 03/03/11 04:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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As an American who once lived very near Canada I commiserate.

By the way, you don't happen to be a Canadian who pays much in taxes or is actually old or infirm enough to need health care, are you?




My grandfather turns 100 in May.  He lives in Hamilton, Ontario.  His health care has been examplary...He couldn't even get insurance here.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: TGRR]
    #14061274 - 03/03/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Bullshit.  He's guaranteed Medicaid or medicare, whichever one it is for geezers.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061301 - 03/03/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Bullshit.  He's guaranteed Medicaid or medicare, whichever one it is for geezers.




And does that pay for treatments for macular degeneration at his age?  Or early treatment for a cancer or three?

Either way, I am fairly amazed that you're upholding a government-sponsored medical system, rather than extolling the virtues of the "free market".

If it were left to Hartford or Blue Cross, the old monster would have been dead 20 years ago.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: TGRR]
    #14061914 - 03/03/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
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zappaisgod said:
Bullshit.  He's guaranteed Medicaid or medicare, whichever one it is for geezers.




And does that pay for treatments for macular degeneration at his age?  Or early treatment for a cancer or three?

Either way, I am fairly amazed that you're upholding a government-sponsored medical system, rather than extolling the virtues of the "free market".

If it were left to Hartford or Blue Cross, the old monster would have been dead 20 years ago.





yes, medicare covers all that crap- essentially freely

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Either way, I am fairly amazed that you're upholding a government-sponsored medical system, rather than extolling the virtues of the "free market".





where did he do that?  You say it. but, as typical, dont show it

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14061922 - 03/03/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Then your statement refutes itself. That's only one form of socialism. Nobody's claiming that the military falls under that specific form.

To the contrary, I only have to show one negative to prove the claim false.  The original claim was ambiguous.  If you want to revise the original claim to something more specific, then feel free, however; my statements hold true for the general case.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
    #14062316 - 03/03/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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> Then your statement refutes itself. That's only one form of socialism. Nobody's claiming that the military falls under that specific form.

To the contrary, I only have to show one negative to prove the claim false.  The original claim was ambiguous.  If you want to revise the original claim to something more specific, then feel free, however; my statements hold true for the general case.



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> Then your statement refutes itself. That's only one form of socialism. Nobody's claiming that the military falls under that specific form.

To the contrary, I only have to show one negative to prove the claim false.  The original claim was ambiguous.  If you want to revise the original claim to something more specific, then feel free, however; my statements hold true for the general case.



Via pedantry and chicanery. Just sayin'.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
    #14062329 - 03/03/11 07:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Socialism explained: http://mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx

Non-market socialism fails because of the economic calculation problem. It's impossible short of possessing Laplace's demon or ending scarcity.  http://mises.org/econcalc.asp

Market socialism(state capitalism) tends to concentrate economic power, prevent creative destruction, cause unsustainable changes to productive capital, destroy savings through inflation, etc. So many varieties of it so it's hard to explain it in general. Pretty much everything that people bemoan about capitalism is actually caused by government intervention(state capitalism) or worse under state capitalism. http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf

Socialism is evil and stupid.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: d33p]
    #14062456 - 03/03/11 07:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Pretty much everything that people bemoan about capitalism is actually caused by government intervention(state capitalism) or worse under state capitalism.





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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Net]
    #14063063 - 03/03/11 09:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

worthless replies are awesome


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: d33p]
    #14063164 - 03/03/11 09:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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worthless replies are awesome



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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14063231 - 03/03/11 09:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This thread is all about YELLING and nothing about learning or listening. It's certainly come a long way from being "non biased," as the OP intended.

All this angry bullshit and ad hominem attacks will a) not convert anyone and b) only promote anger between people of different philosophies.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hitsuzen]
    #14063292 - 03/03/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Worthwhile Argument

Person #1: Cats are cute.
Person #2: No, cats look evil.
Person #1: What about when they purr and knead at you?
Person #2: Well yeah I mean that's cute. But they have evil looking eyes.
Person #1: I can see where you're coming from.
Person #2: And they don't show affection like dogs do.
Person #1: True, but they do in their own way.
Person #2: So cats look evil, but they can be cute in a different way.
Person #1: Sounds reasonable.


This Argument

Person #1: CAPITALISM or die
Person #2: SOCIALISM or die
Person #1: CAPITALISM or you make me laugh
Person #2: SOCIALISM or you're a fascist
Person #1: You're a communist!

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hitsuzen]
    #14063319 - 03/03/11 09:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

But didn't fascists come into power through socialism?

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Hitsuzen]
    #14063608 - 03/03/11 10:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Worthwhile Argument

Person #1: Cats are cute.
Person #2: No, cats look evil.
Person #1: What about when they purr and knead at you?
Person #2: Well yeah I mean that's cute. But they have evil looking eyes.
Person #1: I can see where you're coming from.
Person #2: And they don't show affection like dogs do.
Person #1: True, but they do in their own way.
Person #2: So cats look evil, but they can be cute in a different way.
Person #1: Sounds reasonable.


This Argument

Person #1: CAPITALISM or die
Person #2: SOCIALISM or die
Person #1: CAPITALISM or you make me laugh
Person #2: SOCIALISM or you're a fascist
Person #1: You're a communist!





I seem to recall it being more like SOCIALISM IS EVIL AND HORRIBLE/it really isn't that bad/YES IT IS, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORLDS AND SHITS/no, not really, I live with it every day/SHUT UP LIBERAL FASCIST PUSSY BITCH/why/THE FREE MARKET DEMANDS IT

But ok.


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