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Lord Amok
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Faye Runaway]
#14053081 - 03/02/11 07:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one would want to work there, they'd have to bring in robots or something like that.
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PurpleMushroomZeta
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Net]
#14053930 - 03/02/11 10:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Faye Runaway said: Hold on, hold on. Socialism is wrong because any money I make belongs to me, and it should be my decision what to do with it.
Right? Nobody made my money for me, and no one deserves my money BUT me.
Of course. Who needs paved roads anyway?
Have you ever noticed how private toll roads are really, really nice?
That's because most of them are owned by Arab sovereign wealth funds.
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Faye Runaway said: Hold on, hold on. Socialism is wrong because any money I make belongs to me, and it should be my decision what to do with it.
Right? Nobody made my money for me, and no one deserves my money BUT me.
Of course. Who needs paved roads anyway?
Fuck roads. And traffic lights. And street lights. And mail. And fire departments. Fuck that noise.
And fucking them is what the government does best:
Roads, except for private toll roads, are pothole riddled shit-cakes across the country.
Have you seen these new traffic lights? They're utter crap. You can't see them unless you're at the correct angle. Only government could fuck up something as simple as goddamn lights.
Street lights? Pure socialistic waste. What are headlights on your car for? Who doesn't own a flashlight?
Private mail services beat the snot out of USPS.
Firefighters? Greedy, unionized lazy fucks don't even work a regular schedule.
Amen, Brother!
Public schools? Send your kids to private school, just don't expect me to pay for it. Can't afford private school? Homeschool them. Don't have time to homeschool them because you have to work all the time to make ends meet? Take them out of school and send them to work in a mill. It will help you make your ends meet, and they'll learn valuable life skills.
Police officers? I don't have anything worth stealing, so why should I have to pay for police protection that I don't need? You don't want your house robbed? Hire private security.
Military? Screw that. If you want something done about the middle east, hire Blackwater XE yourself and pay for it with your own goddamn money. Just don't pick my pocket.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Ygor]
#14054548 - 03/02/11 01:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Canis latrans said: I have a question for all you gentlemen.
If an organization that guarantees all employees the same salary and benefits regardless of the amount of work different employees may do a socialist one? And what if pay increases were simply granted based on the amount of time an employee had been with the company instead of merit? Further more, what if this hypothetical company subsisted wholly on tax monies gathered from public?
Such an organisation could never exist in America!!
That is essentially how the US Military works.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14054601 - 03/02/11 01:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Net
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14054614 - 03/02/11 01:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I'm convinced via your thorough reasoning and exhaustive consideration of the facts.
I'm guessing you are a retired four-star general?
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Net]
#14054651 - 03/02/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. Did you know that military service is not a requirement for political office in this country? Crazy but true.
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Canis latrans
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14054785 - 03/02/11 01:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Nope. Did you know that military service is not a requirement for political office in this country? Crazy but true.
You still haven't explained your dissent to my stated opinion.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14054825 - 03/02/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Nope. Did you know that military service is not a requirement for political office in this country? Crazy but true.
You still haven't explained your dissent to my stated opinion.
Which one?
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Canis latrans
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14055551 - 03/02/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Nope. Did you know that military service is not a requirement for political office in this country? Crazy but true.
You still haven't explained your dissent to my stated opinion.
Which one?
That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14055633 - 03/02/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Nope. Did you know that military service is not a requirement for political office in this country? Crazy but true.
Why am I not shocked that Zap never served?
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
#14056103 - 03/02/11 06:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: The biggest problem with socialism i think is that it centralizes too much power and resources and distributes it in a way that is inferior to the way taxpayers would do it themselves.
This is putting an awful lot of faith in the responsibility of the citizenry on an individual basis. People tend to take a lot for granted that they often cannot even recognize that they are paying for.
The argument that socialism decreases incentive to work sounds logical, but also being poor to the point of poverty in a capitalist system seems to do a very good job of decreasing incentive to work as well, particularly if the people being discouraged and impoverished were/are working hard and long. They have both been effective at discouraging people to work diligently.
I think the wikipedia article linked in one of the earlier posts does a fantastic job of answering the original question, there are plenty of things wrong with socialism AND free-market capitalism. Most are pretty blatant, but socialism has done a pretty good job of failing when 'fully implemented' or transferred to communism. I can't recall how far free-market capitalism has ever been implemented, but when it is implemented more so and the divide between wealth becomes apparent there has historically been backlashes and an eventual shift to more socialistic policy, at least in US history. Often accompanied by rough economic times for the majority of the citizenry.
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14056228 - 03/02/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Articulate.
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Canis latrans
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14056323 - 03/02/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Articulate.
He can't as the actual workings of the military are outside his limited sphere of experience. It would require him to actually serve to understand how it actually works.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056346 - 03/02/11 06:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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He can't as the actual workings of the military are outside his limited sphere of experience. It would require him to actually serve to understand how it actually works.
No, I meant that as an adjective not a verb. He is wise and profound. How dare you question the profundity of his wise words... er, word?
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Canis latrans
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14056370 - 03/02/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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He can't as the actual workings of the military are outside his limited sphere of experience. It would require him to actually serve to understand how it actually works.
No, I meant that as an adjective not a verb. He is wise and profound. How dare you question the profundity of his wise words... er, word?
Oh I see. He is very articulate, but articulate crap is still crap.
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Seuss
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14058377 - 03/03/11 03:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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> That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
The US military is not self funding, thus with respect to socialism, it cannot be considered outside of the US government as a whole. Beyond that, socialism often embraces aspects of a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society while embracing cooperative management structures, trade unions, and the like. Do you really believe this is how the US military is organized and operates?
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
#14058607 - 03/03/11 07:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
The US military is not self funding, thus with respect to socialism, it cannot be considered outside of the US government as a whole. Beyond that, socialism often embraces aspects of a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society while embracing cooperative management structures, trade unions, and the like. Do you really believe this is how the US military is organized and operates?
Non-hierarchal, non-bureaucratic, stateless oppression? I have to wonder what some of the earlier posters in this thread will have to say about this development.
Also, notice my bolding.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
#14058662 - 03/03/11 07:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
The US military is not self funding, thus with respect to socialism, it cannot be considered outside of the US government as a whole. Beyond that, socialism often embraces aspects of a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society while embracing cooperative management structures, trade unions, and the like. Do you really believe this is how the US military is organized and operates?
Okay. So then why is government health care "socialism"? That's not "stateless", is it?
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Seuss]
#14059557 - 03/03/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
The US military is not self funding, thus with respect to socialism, it cannot be considered outside of the US government as a whole. Beyond that, socialism often embraces aspects of a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society while embracing cooperative management structures, trade unions, and the like. Do you really believe this is how the US military is organized and operates?
So in other words... smaller government.
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Lord Amok
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Atomsk]
#14060424 - 03/03/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > That the US military is essentially a socialist organization.
The US military is not self funding, thus with respect to socialism, it cannot be considered outside of the US government as a whole. Beyond that, socialism often embraces aspects of a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society while embracing cooperative management structures, trade unions, and the like. Do you really believe this is how the US military is organized and operates?
So in other words... smaller government.
Is the Tea Party socialist? Is that why they call them "red" states?
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