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OfflineTGRR
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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036360 - 02/27/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.




They're all "self-employed", too.  Each and every one of them runs his/her own business.  Fact.

How they manage to do that and post/protest every day of the week is beyond me, however.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: TGRR]
    #14036378 - 02/27/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.




They're all "self-employed", too.  Each and every one of them runs his/her own business.  Fact.

How they manage to do that and post/protest every day of the week is beyond me, however.




It's because they are so fucking amazing that they can do all that in just 24 hours. Truly, a testament to their wisdom and skill. America DESERVES to have these people running the show.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036391 - 02/27/11 02:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.



QFT.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14036427 - 02/27/11 02:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.



QFT




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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14036449 - 02/27/11 02:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.



QFT.



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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036457 - 02/27/11 02:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
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zappaisgod said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
Also, socialism is bad because them fellers in the Tea Party keep sayin; it is, and they's smarter 'un me.



QFT.



:laugh2:



Yup. That was my initial reaction as well.  :awegroove:


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Friskies]
    #14036493 - 02/27/11 03:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A problem with socialism is that too much power is centralized and eventually corrupt people get in power and often lead socialism into fascism.

The problem is all about central planning.

The argument is that the government can never be as efficient at allocating resources and ideas than a free market system can.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036500 - 02/27/11 03:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a famous thang about socialism;

Road to serfdom in 5 minutes -Based on book by F.A. Hayek


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036672 - 02/27/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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A problem with socialism is that too much power is centralized and eventually corrupt people get in power and often lead socialism into fascism.





Completely unlike capitalism, of course.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: TGRR]
    #14036794 - 02/27/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The idea is that in free market capitalism, monopolies are impossible because someone will always be able to do it a bit cheaper or better and there will always be competition and checks.  Like if people don't like that you are a monopoly, they can spend their money to find a way to do it better.

Socialism forces taxpayers to pay for anything the government says with a gun.  When the government goes bad, the economy gets all unnaturally fixed and fails, socialism fails and the tax payers suffer under some fascist government.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036824 - 02/27/11 04:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The idea is that in free market capitalism, monopolies are impossible because someone will always be able to do it a bit cheaper or better and there will always be competition and checks.  Like if people don't like that you are a monopoly, they can spend their money to find a way to do it better.

Socialism forces taxpayers to pay for anything the government says with a gun.  When the government goes bad, the economy gets all unnaturally fixed and fails, socialism fails and the tax payers suffer under some fascist government.



A simple no will suffice here. No.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata] * 1
    #14036850 - 02/27/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think you want The Pub

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036876 - 02/27/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The idea is that in free market capitalism, monopolies are impossible because someone will always be able to do it a bit cheaper or better and there will always be competition and checks. 




Until one company gets big enough to buy the government.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036887 - 02/27/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The biggest problem with socialism i think is that it centralizes too much power and resources and distributes it in a way that is inferior to the way taxpayers would do it themselves.

Big government just isn't nearly as efficient at allocating resources and fulfilling needs as a free market is.

It gets bad when big government gets too much power and completely takes over with force.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: TGRR]
    #14036899 - 02/27/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
The idea is that in free market capitalism, monopolies are impossible because someone will always be able to do it a bit cheaper or better and there will always be competition and checks. 




Until one company gets big enough to buy the government.




but one company shouldn't get to become that big unless all of the people vote for them with their money.

Otherwise one company wouldn't be able to do it.


When the government forces you with a gun to pay taxes so that one company CAN become big enough to buy the government and vice versa, it's socialism, and that's the problem.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036920 - 02/27/11 04:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
The biggest problem with socialism i think is that it centralizes too much power and resources and distributes it in a way that is inferior to the way taxpayers would do it themselves.

Big government just isn't nearly as efficient at allocating resources and fulfilling needs as a free market is.

It gets bad when big government gets too much power and completely takes over with force.



You have some sort of evidence for this?

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036924 - 02/27/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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but one company shouldn't get to become that big unless all of the people vote for them with their money.

Otherwise one company wouldn't be able to do it.





Microsoft, Exxon, Halliburton, and MacDonald Douglas come to mind.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036928 - 02/27/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
The biggest problem with socialism i think is that it centralizes too much power and resources and distributes it in a way that is inferior to the way taxpayers would do it themselves.

Big government just isn't nearly as efficient at allocating resources and fulfilling needs as a free market is.

It gets bad when big government gets too much power and completely takes over with force.



You have some sort of evidence for this?




It had better be good, seeing as how it flies in the face of, you know, what actually happens.


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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: Shins]
    #14036930 - 02/27/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So I suppose a doctor who spends 8-12 years of schooling doesn't deserve the pursuit of a wage seeming suitable to the work he put into getting his MD? I just think you can justify that not every wage is created equal, and some people are more ambitious and deserve the wages and lifestyle they worked hard for.

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Re: Can someone explain Socialism to me in a non biased way? [Re: sonavapreacha]
    #14036937 - 02/27/11 04:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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So I suppose a doctor who spends 8-12 years of schooling doesn't deserve the pursuit of a wage seeming suitable to the work he put into getting his MD? I just think you can justify that not every wage is created equal, and some people are more ambitious and deserve the wages and lifestyle they worked hard for.




What the hell are you talking about?  Canada is a socialist country, and I can assure you that doctors get paid more than gas station clerks.


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