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does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us.
    #14035550 - 02/27/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I've been having a shamanic initiation, and I started to really see the nature of emptiness, and how there is only one actor playing all the roles. I find it incredibly lonely. I read that this is a standard reaction when you start to notice this, but I don't know how I could ever get over this revelation. Maybe I'm just looking for someone to commiserate with.

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14035568 - 02/27/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I'm sorry for your loss but that's a common feeling for every human. Everyone feels separate most of the time.  The idea that there is only one consciousness however seems quite subjective to me.


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Edited by Icelander (02/27/11 12:03 PM)

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14035576 - 02/27/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I think thats going the wrong way. Oblivion is lonely. Maybe your interpretation is mistaken?

What though specifically causes this feeling?

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: teknix]
    #14035589 - 02/27/11 12:06 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

No it's not like normal loneliness it's just like. Idk tough to describe. Maybe if I just ignore it it will go away.

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14035604 - 02/27/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Could you try to find the root of it then to interperate it?

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: teknix]
    #14035656 - 02/27/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Like, um, the illusion of egohood,and the fact that our real source or "self" is the emptiness that manifests us.It's like the opposite of I think therefore I am. Thoughts come from the emptiness, gain self awareness and form an ego early in life, and many people mistake that ego for being real, but the truth is we all share the same source or "self."

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14035735 - 02/27/11 12:30 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

The self is like a personal version of the grander scheme. A single piece of a gigantic puzzle. You are that as as individual interpretation.

Ego.

The demands of this manifestation is becoming more aware, and evolving. Not with absense, but with mutualism. The common grounds that exist in each one of these manifestations, is being seen.

The absence of this existing is used to jar you into questioning the very root of the self. So that you may see it for yourself, as it is hard to explain.

Does that make sense to you?

Edited by teknix (02/27/11 12:36 PM)

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: teknix]
    #14035772 - 02/27/11 12:40 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Just cause theres a collective consciousness doesnt mean that we dont have separate consciousnesses either.


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14035797 - 02/27/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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Hakim0777 said:
Just cause theres a collective consciousness doesnt mean that we dont have separate consciousnesses either.




Indeed. The one became the many.

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14035866 - 02/27/11 01:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Learn to love yourself, then you wont feel lonely.

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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14036866 - 02/27/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Well think of all the wars, all the hate, terror, horror and what not "we" have been through. If there is only one thing, one being, it kind of clears all this up. Look on the bright side!


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14038188 - 02/27/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Like, um, the illusion of egohood,and the fact that our real source or "self" is the emptiness that manifests us.It's like the opposite of I think therefore I am. Thoughts come from the emptiness, gain self awareness and form an ego early in life, and many people mistake that ego for being real, but the truth is we all share the same source or "self."




I agree with this, but I don't see why it's depressing. Is that self depressed? Or is it that ego that wants to remain that is trying to make you feel bad enough to go back to it? Careful...


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Kickle]
    #14038223 - 02/27/11 08:11 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

idk about depressing.

certainly lonely.

but hey

:feelsgoodman: cuz เคฎเคพเคฏเคพ


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14038870 - 02/27/11 09:33 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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I've been having a shamanic initiation, and I started to really see the nature of emptiness, and how there is only one actor playing all the roles. I find it incredibly lonely. I read that this is a standard reaction when you start to notice this, but I don't know how I could ever get over this revelation. Maybe I'm just looking for someone to commiserate with.





This is actually called technically the "trance of sorrow", which is the first noble truth of buddhism, all is sorrow. This sorrow, however, is the realization that all is one, the sorrow isn't in the one-ness, per se, but in the desire to unite. It's also, so far as my studies and experiences have been able to yield, the first step along the path toward spiritual awakening.

In truth, sorrow is the illusion, existence is pure joy, existence is Love. Not what the "hippy" kids call love, but Love, the desire to unite.

Liber AL vel Legis, Cap. I vs 29-30:
29. For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.

30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all.


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Manicman]
    #14040481 - 02/28/11 06:24 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Who finds it lonely?

I know this questioning gets thrown about the net like bird feed, but really try & look at it...bring the question into yourself, are you (your core) actually lonely?

Don't assume you are a thing that is lonely, as what is separate from the non dual Self that it could then feel apart from?
To feel lonely it must mean it once had company then lost it, being non dual how could that be possible?


:peace:


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Chronic7]
    #14040499 - 02/28/11 06:43 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Something feels lonely can that be denied?  If that's not you then who/what is it?


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Icelander]
    #14040519 - 02/28/11 06:53 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Just a temporary feeling, the feeling can't be denied but it can be recognized that its just a feeling that is in the mind, perhaps it's a fear of total loniless, i know you can figure out what fear that is directly linked to...

I think humans need the company of other humans, so its good to remove the lonliness of not having friends or whatever, join a club, go out etc... but the fear in meditation of coming into the original unicity is a fear that should be faced & dived into fully as its a fruitless fear


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Chronic7]
    #14040559 - 02/28/11 07:14 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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I think humans need the company of other humans





ya, we are social creatures.

"And remember, too, you can stay at home, safe in the familiar illusion of certainty. Do not set out without realizing that 'the way is not without danger. Everything good is costly, and the development of the personality is one of the most costly of all things.' It will cost you your innocence, your illusions, your certainty." -- Sheldon B. Kopp + Richard Wilhelm


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Chronic7]
    #14040753 - 02/28/11 08:42 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
Just a temporary feeling, the feeling can't be denied but it can be recognized that its just a feeling that is in the mind, perhaps it's a fear of total loniless, i know you can figure out what fear that is directly linked to...

I think humans need the company of other humans, so its good to remove the lonliness of not having friends or whatever, join a club, go out etc... but the fear in meditation of coming into the original unicity is a fear that should be faced & dived into fully as its a fruitless fear




I've never experienced a moments fear in meditation.  That seems so weird to me. It's such a safe feeling.:shrug:

Social animals usually feel loneliness (fear) when totally away from the tribe.


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Re: does anyone else find it depressing that there's only one of us. [Re: Icelander]
    #14041108 - 02/28/11 10:40 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)



EDIT 4 CONTEXT: Basically, I think fear of meditation comes from fear of enlightenment.


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Edited by I AM SWIM (02/28/11 10:57 AM)

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