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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: Acaterpillar]
#14037779 - 02/27/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that the legal use of psychedelics should be transparent and intelligently regulated by the government.
IE if you're a church that uses ayahuasca, the government should take care to certify that you are a nonprofit organization and that no methods of coersion are used. Objective, non-participatory inspection of the ceremonies and rituals should be allowed. If we do this, we can maximize the benefits of psychedelics while preempting psychedelic cults.
As for religious fundamentalists, that cat is already out of the bag as far as I can tell. I don't see how psychedelics will make anyone more willing to die for their God than church fathers already have.
Then again, the legal and taxation status of Scientology as a "real religion" does not do well for my position.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: 28064212]
#14038239 - 02/27/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: 28064212]
#14039123 - 02/27/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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28064212 said: If you could make one drug legal, what would it be? Sure, ideally maybe all drugs would be legal, or maybe just pot and psychedelics.
Bu that's not what this thread is about. What one drug would you make legal, if you could legalize any drug and why?
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Rabidbaboon said: Guys, I don't think the purpose of legalizing a drug is to increase availability, but to prevent prosecution for making the informed decision to obtain and consume such substances...
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Rabidbaboon said: Guys, I don't think the purpose of legalizing a drug is to increase availability, but to prevent prosecution for making the informed decision to obtain and consume such substances...
This! It's what drug would you like to become accepted and used by more people in various ways.
To Eshu, Why?
28064212, you really should have made your original post more clear, because increased availability would have to be my primary motivator for wanting most drugs legalized. If you change the original question to something more related to what would benefit the world more to have legalized, I would have to change my answer to cannabis.
I think the world would be a more peaceful place if more people smoked cannabis and I have little doubt that more people would smoke cannabis if it were legal. I think more people who do smoke cannabis would be more gainfully employed than they are now and we'd have fewer idiot assholes in positions of power because more free-thinking compassionate cannabis users could fill their roles since drug testing would not be holding them back.
Tangentally, as long as drug testing is still being conducted, I hope more and more businesses switch to saliva testing as the time-frames in which cannabis can be detected are much more reasonable. I see no reason why cannabis use should disqualify anyone from 99% of jobs. (Air traffic controllers and airline pilots being some of the few exceptions)
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Rabidbaboon said: Either way, my vote goes to cannabis.
On the aspect of availability: It's the only drug that can be heavily abused without acute and direct repercussions in the average user. Lacking the need for strict responsibility like other substances, I wouldn't be worried about the masses getting their hands on it. Contrary to the popular belief of other shroomerites, the general human population would not inherently benefit from an experience with any various forms of hallucinogens.
My guess is most of them would be frightened/confused. It would likely induce PTSD and levels of anxiety in a large percentage of the population.
I already explained why I would want to legalize cannabis to prevent prosecution. That much should seem obvious. If you get caught with other substances that are easier to conceal then you either had some shitty luck or you weren't doing something right 
this.
and 28064212; you obviously havent seen the 'dark side' of america.
i NEVER want to live in an america where some of the people i have met can get a hold of psychedelics on a regular basis.
never. no way. nuh uh. wont happen. there are some people out there who are just wrong in the head and emotionally unstable. giving them hallucinogens wont fix that, its just going to make it much much more extreme. i compare eating hallucinogens to eating mood enhancers. that doesnt mean enhance like "go from a bad mood to a good mood"; its enhance like "how you felt before taking the drug, only multiplied by five thousand"
edit: by 'dark side' i didnt mean black people, just in case someone thought i was being a racist. by 'dark side' i meant all the people who cant handle their shit even when theyre sober, all the crazy people, all the emotionally unstable people, all the people who have really huge issues within their family, all the people who have had fucked up lives, all the people who dont live in a comfortable setting, etc. the same people who use alcohol and other drugs as an escape. hallucinogens arent a way to escape reality, theyre a way to make reality too real. and when those people with issues realize how bad they have it they will either off themselves or off someone else, because they will be the son of god for a moment and completely lose all touch with what shreds of common sense they had.
Who would think you were being racist by saying that?
I would probably go with cannabis, although one of the psychedelics would be interesting.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: bryguy27007]
#14039917 - 02/28/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think LSD should be legalized and standardized. As well as making people take a course and some sort of integrity evaluation and, if both are passed, be issued a permit to buy and take. I also think that a person's house as well some parks and camp sites should be acceptable "trip zones". Furthermore, public trip zones would have well trained sitters to help out if someone starts freaking or wandering away too far.
/Even though weed is illegal, you are likely not going to get caught if you use it smart and private, and it will never be hard to find.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: FuzedBox]
#14039929 - 02/28/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right. I know how dreadfully unfashionable it is to say that the government should do anything, but I think it's their place to regulate drugs to limit their dangers while preserving as much freedom as possible. Lately they've been a bit too fucking cheap shit to uphold that standard.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: FuzedBox]
#14039953 - 02/28/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well weed yeah....but then second would be mushrooms...and third would be cacti (which is why I'm so tempted to move to amsterdam some day, my favorite three and their tolerated ones? fuck yeah!)
Really though I fear legalization as much as I want it, cuz when something is against society and underground then for the most part people are cool and nonjudgmental, but I'm sure it would be like alcohol if it was legalized and every frat boy douche bag would turn it into a social game of who's cooler n shit
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DMT, because there is no reason for its illegality and it could help open some minds.
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But it's easy to legally acquire the goods to make and keep under the radar, anyway. And besides, I think it's best that DMT stay relatively obscure to most people.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: FuzedBox]
#14040023 - 02/28/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right, I was just saying LSD should be legal. It was legal in the first place, until it started causing problems, and the government was too fucked-up to deal with those problems head-on so they just made the whole drug illegal.
We have a real tradition of mediocrity here.
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While I think LSD should be legal with all other drugs, I think there are many people who really shouldn't take it. Especially in the 18-23 crowd.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: withoutawire]
#14040032 - 02/28/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whatever. We wouldn't have this bizarre exclusive culture surrounding psychedelics in the first place if they had never been banned.
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Amendment to make shit clear: I think most of the severely mind altering drugs should be neither illegal nor entirely legal; sort of in a grey area (though it's hard to imagine that would fit in our current justice system).
A sort of "discretion policy" would fit the bill nicely; catch someone responsibly using someplace calm and isolated or on their own property... free to carry on. Someone raising hell or causing mayhem? Charge with midemeanor disturbance of peace.
I've had these basic ideas for a while, but am just pulling specifics out of my ass; it's so easy to make common sense policies.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: FuzedBox]
#14040058 - 02/28/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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TBH that's kind of what we have going on right now.
The "Temple of the True Inner Light" in Manhattan uses dipropyltryptamine (DPT) as their eucharist. I'm not certain about the specifics of their liturgy but apparently the DEA is fully aware of it and looks the other way.

It honestly makes sense to me. They were smart enough to use a psychedelic that has a low degree of side effects, little to no name recognition, and a short duration with generally unthreatening effects on its users. Also, they don't go out and make a big fat hullaballoo about themselves. I'd just like to see wider implementation of this type of sanity.
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I think the stress induced by the illegality of psychedelics like lsd probably is much more to blame for hppd like shit than the actual drugs themselves, I mean if you read about that stuff it almost always has to do with fearing the cops know who you are or the dea is spying on you or something, yet the initial lsd tests showed it to be one of the safest drugs they had ever tested
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It's true, LSD was banned for purely political reasons.
It was legal for twenty years, during which it could be obtained by anybody, and was a symbol for progress in neuroscience and popular spirituality. Then the kids got their hands on it and oh shit we'd better make it illegal NOW.
Don't... you know, make laws that prevent it from falling into the hands of kids. 
I just hope there's some type of prohibition-legality cycle, where societies have to make a drug illegal before legalizing it with smart regulations, because this is total bullshit.
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Cannabis, no question. If for no other reason than the millions rotting away in jail for a fucking pot charge.
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Re: If you could make one drug legal... [Re: bryguy27007]
#14040569 - 02/28/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who would think you were being racist by saying that?
I would probably go with cannabis, although one of the psychedelics would be interesting.
well, i was posting black jokes in the 'i heard some funny jokes today' thread around the same time i made that post, and realized the irony.
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Legalize:Cannabis and MDMA
Decriminalize:Psilocybin, Mescaline, DMT, ect.
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