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NamRedruM0016
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Nam's Mono thread "IS SHE READY???????"
#14034312 - 02/27/11 03:16 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Okay so im most likely going to be using this tread a-lot in the next few weeks... so lets get started.
I have 7 Qt jars of popcorn seed colonizing at the moment (there African Transkei) just did G2G yesterday and they are recovering very well. ( i will soon hopefully have 5 additional Lipa Yai pop corn jars of the same size)
My first question: how big should i go with my first mono? I have a few 85 liter tubs, are these too big? if so i also have the standard sized tubs that are generally used. (would 7 quart jars of pop corn even make a 85 liter mono?)
Also would it be better to make alot of smaller monos as to not put all my eggs into one basket? ( maybe divide the 85L into 3 separate bases and grow the lipa's rite along side the Africans?)
Add info- i am planing on using straw for bulk, might also do a few with coir/verm, but straw for the most part "RR's Lets Do Straw"
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NamRedruM0016
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Anyone?
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7 qts of spawn is enough for 85 L tubs. Don't divide the tubs. Just keep it as simple as possible, and I'm sure it'll work out for you.
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ar1es
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some big tubs are a pain in the ass when you want to dunk the substrate after the first flush
i still use my bigger tubs because i have my technique down but i did crack a few substrates because i wasnt careful enough
i did purchase some kitty litter trays now that are a lot easier to dunk and i get really great results from them
also if one of the trays gets contaminated i dont lose my whole grow
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: ar1es]
#14051500 - 03/01/11 10:01 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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any ideas on what type of ratio i should use? im soon to have some worm castings, coco coir, (gypsum "whitch i dont think i need"), and hopefully some damn straw if i can ever find any..
soo... worm castings/coco coir/straw/verm, good ratio anyone? or does it even matter since this is bound to be a super sub anyway? (or so i hope)
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gypsum is a good addition, you should use it especially if you have it.
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: biologys]
#14051571 - 03/01/11 10:10 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yea i seen that "hydrated lime" was a good addative for straw but it didnt say anything about throwin some gypsum in there. so gypsum is almost always good for subs? (that would make me feel better about buying it). Also isint gypsum good for casings?
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casings arent nessecary for cubes..and i myself never use one...i suggest you dont unless ya have to.
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: biologys]
#14051678 - 03/01/11 10:28 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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yea it certainly sounds like a hassle too me... perhaps i wont.
i was just under the pretense that although not necessary, it is beneficial. as in better flushes, more mushies...etc (IME a Dunked and rolled cake is/was a-lot easier to trigger pinning and produced better than a Non dunked and rolled one). maybe this is why i think a casing layer would help, although i have heard many times that it is not necessary for cubes.
On another note. do you think it would be possible/a good idea to make a mini mono with just some colonized popcorn some verm and some peat's moss. (as in pour the colonized popcorn on a thin 50/50 layer of peat/verm than case it with more 50/50 on top?) like a mini tuba-ware mono experiment. or would it just be a waste of spawn
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Questions for days.... Thanks for all help!!
Also wondering: how would one pasturize/sterilize a mixture of coir/straw/worm castinngs/verm? burlap sack? or do you just through it all in together and do the standard tub pasturization technique? i mean the coir and castings are pretty small arent they, wouldent this present straining issues?
i dont think sterelizing in jars will work cuz i want to do a 85L tub, i dont have that many jars
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in my opinion it would be a waste, popcorn isn't very good, let alone just cased...i would spawn it to bulk to get the most out of it.
i'd hydrate the coir, then wash and rinse your straw, then hydrate it, and mix all ingredients together. then place in a pillow case or jars, or bag and place on the stove and bring temps up to 150-165 for 90 mins.
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: biologys]
#14051809 - 03/01/11 10:49 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yea i have heard lots of people say that they dont like popcorn much.
I figured id try it since its pretty convenient to get. it actually seems to be doing well for me (as far as i can tell) i did g2g around 3 days ago and there already around 50% colonized, maybe more. nice healthy looking myc.. one of my original jars (as old as the one i used for g2g) was so caked up it gave me a hard time when i went to break it up/shake it. i figured if i would have left it i could have fruited it as a cake (hence the wondering about the mini mono experiment). so you dont think it would have fruited as well as a brf cake?
but yea i am planing on spawning it to bulk. popcorn almost seems too east to me for some reason
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you wil get some fruits from it, but not even to worry about really, i mean if you only want enough for yourself and not worried bout it then go ahead its completely upto you.
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NamRedruM0016
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: biologys]
#14051933 - 03/01/11 11:03 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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The more the merrier lmao...
thanks for the help
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i use 10 % gyspum in my grows as per RRs sage advice
I use straw but without the hydrated lime at about 10%
i also use black kow manure, hpoo, and coir in equal amounts to make up the majority of my bulk sub
spent coffee grounds are a great addition to your grow as well and is pretty cheap to come by
ive grown without coffee and with and i definately see the difference
I use 10-15 % verm
and warm water
I used to use coffee to hydrate my coir but i think that was throwing the pH off and I did nothing to test/adjust for this and I had contaminations
Ive also thrown some BRF in the mix because its cheap (if you have a coffee grinder) and very nutritious (if not the most nutritious) for the rooms
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: ar1es]
#14057069 - 03/02/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Thanks ar1es.
So how to you prepare you bulk subs (sterilization wise)?
Like say i mix my percentages of all my ingredients (is water an ingredient?) ^as in do you mix ingredients dry and pasteurize (thus just draining water OUT to reach the rite moisture content)
or do you measure water as an ingredient to reach the rite moisture content, and sterilize another way?
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here is my ratios for most of my cooks
1 quart gypsum 1.5 quart verm 2 quart hpoo 2 quart black kow 2 quart hydrated coir .5 quart black hen (chicken poo) 1 Quart Coffee 1 Quart Straw
something like that
i normally cook about 10 jars of substrate at once
sometimes i forget to add the straw or am just to lazy to shred it right
but the rest of the ingredients are pretty typical
it takes me about 2.5 jars of warm water to get my mix to field capacity
i normally mix all the ingredients dry first then i add the water
then i place in quart jars
put a tinfoil lid on each and then place into my pots
the jars dont sit at the bottom of the pots though
there is a wire rack that came with my pots that the jars sit on but i used to use extra quart jar lids and a circle of heavy duty tinfoil as a rack so the jars didnt sit on the bottom and get too hot
after putting the foil on the jars and placing the jars in the pot i fill the pot up until the water is 2/3 up the sides of the jars
then i turn the burner on high for about 30-40 minutes and then i start to check the tempterature
as soon as my thermometer reads 140 degrees i turn off the heat and set the timer for 90 minutes
the heat normally will rise up to 170 degrees or so
and thats it really
because of the amount of water in the pot the substrates will normally stay above 140 degrees for the full 90 minutes without me having to do anything
sometimes, if it starts to creep close to 140 ill turn the heat back on for 5-10 minutes and thats normally good enough to get me where i need to be
then i wait til the next day and its ready to go
i have rushed things a bit
as soon as the temp inside the jars got to around 100 degrees ive mixed it with my spawn and been fine
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when taking the temperatures make sure you move the thermometer a bit so you get the correct reading
also take readings in multiple jars to make sure all the jars are consistent
i used to be lazy and poke holes in the middle of the tinfoil to read the temps but its better to lift the foil off so you dont have to keep replacing the lids
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: ar1es]
#14063556 - 03/03/11 10:31 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks for the info.. that really helped a-lot
i have a slight issue though, all of my quart jars are being used for spawn. Do you know of a good pillow case tek or anything that that will wrk for a sub mix like this?
thanks a-lot again..
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ive used old glasses, pickle jars and even some plastic tupperware to cook spawn in
i did a bit of research and when you do the pillowcase method a lot of the liquid goodness is drained out
the jar method is great because you add enough water and heat and the mushies get all the nutes that are contained inside your mix
you can go buy a dozen quart jars for around 10 bucks so it shouldnt be a deal breaker
ps not all plastic will work, some will melt if it gets too hot but most tupperware should be fine
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Re: Nam's Monotub Tread.. [Re: ar1es]
#14063666 - 03/03/11 10:48 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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yea ill just go buy another dozen quarts
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