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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14028653 - 02/26/11 01:14 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
What humbles you most?




seeing how non-humble people are
seeing my non-humble ways
seeing people try to appear intelligent or wise, whether they know it or not
seeing myself trying to appear as such, or appearing as such after the fact
recognizing the dishonest, fake act in others
recognizing the dishonest and fake act in myself
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Kickle said:
To be honest, I'm not sure I have anything to be humble for.




honest?? he asked what humbles you the most, not if you have anything to be humble for :confused:

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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14028958 - 02/26/11 04:46 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

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To be honest, I'm not sure I have anything to be humble for.




Cause it feels really good?

Humility doesn't get you very far in the world of aggressive dominance, but its still a mighty beautiful state to be in, the more humble your mind is the more supple & subtle it is, so it can grasp subtler truths about existence...


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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14029741 - 02/26/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

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Kickle said:
To be honest, I'm not sure I have anything to be humble for.




honest?? he asked what humbles you the most, not if you have anything to be humble for :confused:




If there is no thing to be humble for, how can I be humbled by any thing?


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14031769 - 02/26/11 06:02 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

you can be humbled by personal experiences.  I have, somewhat.  though I don't consider myself to be very humble at all.

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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14031814 - 02/26/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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deranger said:
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Kickle said:
To be honest, I'm not sure I have anything to be humble for.




honest?? he asked what humbles you the most, not if you have anything to be humble for :confused:




If there is no thing to be humble for, how can I be humbled by any thing?


Do you not have anything, or are you just not interested in being humble for anything?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14031853 - 02/26/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

If I'm wrong and I admit it, does that make me humble, or am I just seeing what is right there?
Humility is often a braggadocios title that attempts to gain special merits on nothing. IMO.


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032098 - 02/26/11 07:05 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

you're dodging the point.

say everyone you love and who is close to you dies, and you have a breakdown.

could that humble you?

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If I'm wrong and I admit it, does that make me humble, or am I just seeing what is right there?




if you were the type of person to be wrong and never admit it, and something changed within you, and you realized how wrong you've been and started to admit your wrongness, is that not a shift into a more humble state of mind?

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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032163 - 02/26/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

if you were the type of person to be wrong and never admit it, and something changed within you, and you realized how wrong you've been and started to admit your wrongness, is that not a shift into a more humble state of mind?

I dunno, is it? What makes one more humble than the other if it is just seeing what you see and acting accordingly?


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032286 - 02/26/11 07:39 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

why dodge the question?  why the comparison of whether or not one is more humble than the other?

why should I answer your question when mine is apparently being ignored?

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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032325 - 02/26/11 07:45 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Because I don't agree that such a thing as humbleness really exists. How can I answer a question about whether or not something can make me humble, if I see nothing such as humbleness? And my questions are to you in hopes that you can convince me that humbleness does in fact exist and that I am wrong. If that's the case, then I will be able to answer your question.

As it stands, I do not deny that our mental state can change according to what happens in our life. But, again, humility is often just a braggadocios title that attempts to gain special merits IMO.


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032366 - 02/26/11 07:51 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Thinking about how small we really are, and the infinite mysteries of consciousness is what humbles me.


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Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032483 - 02/26/11 08:14 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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Because I don't agree that such a thing as humbleness really exists.




does it exist subjectively for you? 

intersubjectively, can we not agree that a videogame addict who always boasts about how his score is better than others is lacking in humility?

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As it stands, I do not deny that our mental state can change according to what happens in our life.




and humbleness can be a word used to describe such a change.

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But, again, humility is often just a braggadocios title that attempts to gain special merits IMO.



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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032509 - 02/26/11 08:19 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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As it stands, I do not deny that our mental state can change according to what happens in our life.




and humbleness can be a word used to describe such a change.




Right, I do not think one can coherently deny the existence of humbleness or humility.  That being said, any event that reminds me I'm not the center of the Universe usually serves to humble me, such as doing something stupid and reaping the consequences.


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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032557 - 02/26/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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deranger said:
does it exist subjectively for you? 





Sure. It usually gets me feeling good about myself when I can accept my imperfections without feeling bad about it.

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intersubjectively, can we not agree that a videogame addict who always boasts about how his score is better than others is lacking in humility?




I cannot agree with this I'm afraid. That subjective humility that makes me feel good about myself is IMO akin to the good feeling this hypothetical gamer gets about himself and ultimately results in his boasting. I do think that one is more socially acceptable and socially useful, but in terms of the feeling itself, they seem very similar to me.

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As it stands, I do not deny that our mental state can change according to what happens in our life.




and humbleness can be a word used to describe such a change.




Right. And I'm questioning what that word actually represents. IMO it often represents no real change emotionally and serves the same basic function as boasting.


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032622 - 02/26/11 08:45 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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deranger said:
does it exist subjectively for you? 





Sure. It usually gets me feeling good about myself when I can accept my imperfections without feeling bad about it.

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deranger said:
intersubjectively, can we not agree that a videogame addict who always boasts about how his score is better than others is lacking in humility?




I cannot agree with this I'm afraid. That subjective humility that makes me feel good about myself is IMO akin to the good feeling this hypothetical gamer gets about himself and ultimately results in his boasting.




I don't understand how humility could make you feel good about yourself.  Is it that you recognize the humility within yourself, and feel good about it?  Wouldn't that be the opposite of humbleness?

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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032643 - 02/26/11 08:50 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Exactly. IMO that's what we are all chasing through being humbled. We are chasing the ability to accept our imperfections, to actually BE humble. But once you achieve that, what then? You will feel good about it. And then, how is it any different than being boastful?

To actually be humble is to be boastful, in a way. At least as far as I can tell. It's that good feeling we want. That feeling of self-acceptance.


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032688 - 02/26/11 08:59 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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Exactly. IMO that's what we are all chasing through being humbled. We are chasing the ability to accept our imperfections, to actually BE humble. But once you achieve that, what then?




IMO humility isn't something to be achieved.  It would be lacking in humility to think that you have achieved it, or are achieving it.

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Re: Humbleness [Re: deranger]
    #14032696 - 02/26/11 09:01 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

So then what's the point? For the world to have a carrot on a stick? Sounds fun in a masochistic sort of way...


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Re: Humbleness [Re: Kickle]
    #14032699 - 02/26/11 09:01 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Being boastful IMO implies bragging to others; acquiring humility doesn't necessarily have this component to it.  I get what you mean about feeling too good about being humble, but there's nothing wrong with recognizing that one has once more beaten down excessive pride.  (One has to be careful that one doesn't recognize this TOO much, though, or one can become prideful about one's own humility.)  :shrug:


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Re: Humbleness [Re: deCypher]
    #14032713 - 02/26/11 09:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I agree, there is nothing wrong with humbleness. But I also don't think there is anything wrong with boasting. It's attempts at the same thing IMO, even if one is more maturized than the other.


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