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#14031374 - 02/26/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What the fuck is up with flakey musicians?
I've been trying to start a functioning band for years, but have never been able to play a single show, with anybody, because I keep coming across flakes. It's the exact same story every time. Meet a musician, they act all enthusiastic, we jam once or twice and make some good sounding stuff, then they lose interest and give up or stop talking to me.
I exist to write and play music, and I do so for many hours out of the day...I have more motivation than I know what to do with. It's VERY frustrating to live in motherfucking Austin, the live music capital of the world, and only come across a bunch of unmotivated, pussywhipped lazy ass stoners who want to play the shows with none of the work.
These people need to sell their instruments on ebay and GIVE UP.
Just venting.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
#14031395 - 02/26/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had the same experience.
Other musicians either suck or are interested in doing their own thing.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
#14031402 - 02/26/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe they don't like the direction things go and want to do something different.
I could be a really flaky musician if I'm not enthusiastic about the music. Or I could be totally dedicated if I love the music.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
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Anneji said: What the fuck is up with flakey musicians?
I've been trying to start a functioning band for years, but have never been able to play a single show, with anybody, because I keep coming across flakes. It's the exact same story every time. Meet a musician, they act all enthusiastic, we jam once or twice and make some good sounding stuff, then they lose interest and give up or stop talking to me.
I exist to write and play music, and I do so for many hours out of the day...I have more motivation than I know what to do with. It's VERY frustrating to live in motherfucking Austin, the live music capital of the world, and only come across a bunch of unmotivated, pussywhipped lazy ass stoners who want to play the shows with none of the work.
These people need to sell their instruments on ebay and GIVE UP.
Just venting.
Dude! Im going through the same shit right now. It fucking sucks. But thats why only the few and the greatest really make it out there.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
#14031461 - 02/26/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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floatingupstream said: I've had the same experience.
Other musicians either suck or are interested in doing their own thing.
I can understand being interested in doing your own thing...I am to. I record solo stuff constantly, and a part of my creative output will always go to that. Most musicians are like that, to some extent.
But if you can't get around that to collaborate and try something new, then you aren't suitable for a career in music. That's part of the game.
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Maybe they don't like the direction things go and want to do something different.
I could be a really flaky musician if I'm not enthusiastic about the music. Or I could be totally dedicated if I love the music.
Yeah, if you don't like the direction that things are going, you could just be direct about it. I've never come across anybody that was just straight up with me. They just stop responding to my texts, like a passive aggressive chick. I mean, seriously? These are grown men I am dealing with, not 13 year old girls.
It is nice to know that I'll still be making music long after these wanna-bes have given up because they didn't get "discovered".
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It took quite a bit of searching to find the right people. In a lot of ways it was good for me... I was strictly a drummer who decided to say "fuck people" for a while. Then I learned guitar and bass and starting composing my own music.
Now i'm in a band that's perfect for me... regular practices for the past 3 years, 40 or so original compositions. Not to mention the guys have become like my brothers.
I guess what i'm trying to say is you'll find the right people eventually. They're are still legitimate people out there, but meeting them can be a bitch. In a lot of ways finding the perfect band is harder than finding your soul mate or something...
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
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Yeah I know what you mean. I feel bad because maybe once or twice I have been in that position, the flake that you hate. LOL its hard to tell somebody you don't like their music. People take that really personally. For me, if I get sick of playing the same things over and over, and lose enthusiasm about it, I get distracted easily, I want to sit at home and tinker with my instruments and do something totally different because the idea of band practice sounds like a job that you don't get paid for. So for me, I know that I won't join a band unless it is absolutely the music that I want to be playing. And I'm such a picky musician that its almost impossible to find that, I need to create it myself to get exactly what I want.
I wish you luck in finding the fundamental musicians your band needs. But the reality is that a lot of bands have a lot of different members over the years, it's hard for a bunch of people, especially a bunch of awkward musicians, as we all are to some degree, to stick together for the long haul. My taste in music is always changing a little bit, I can't help it. Unless the band works together as a cohesive unit and it moves in that same direction, I will get distracted, and stray off and do my own thing. Its like finding your soul mate, but you have to find two or three or four of them, lol.
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Subconscious said: In a lot of ways finding the perfect band is harder than finding your soul mate or something...
Haha! I swear I did not read this before what I wrote below you.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
#14031546 - 02/26/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anneji said: What the fuck is up with flakey musicians?
I've been trying to start a functioning band for years, but have never been able to play a single show, with anybody, because I keep coming across flakes. It's the exact same story every time. Meet a musician, they act all enthusiastic, we jam once or twice and make some good sounding stuff, then they lose interest and give up or stop talking to me.
I exist to write and play music, and I do so for many hours out of the day...I have more motivation than I know what to do with. It's VERY frustrating to live in motherfucking Austin, the live music capital of the world, and only come across a bunch of unmotivated, pussywhipped lazy ass stoners who want to play the shows with none of the work.
These people need to sell their instruments on ebay and GIVE UP.
Just venting.
sounds like we can agree.
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I was lucky enough to have the first group I ever created stick. We all kind of learned to play together, and still are improving by leaps and bounds.
Like others have said, open communication is key. You need to be able to say, "I think that's complete shit" without anyone getting offended. Compatible personalities are also important.
I've also realized if you have a specific vision for what you want your group to be, you can't rely on anyone else to make it that. Learn to sing and play, and get it sounding really good. I'm in the process of doing that right now because the sound from my band isn't anywhere near as good or anywhere near similar enough stylistically to the sound in my head.
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drr said: Yeah I know what you mean. I feel bad because maybe once or twice I have been in that position, the flake that you hate. LOL its hard to tell somebody you don't like their music. People take that really personally. For me, if I get sick of playing the same things over and over, and lose enthusiasm about it, I get distracted easily, I want to sit at home and tinker with my instruments and do something totally different because the idea of band practice sounds like a job that you don't get paid for. So for me, I know that I won't join a band unless it is absolutely the music that I want to be playing. And I'm such a picky musician that its almost impossible to find that, I need to create it myself to get exactly what I want.
I wish you luck in finding the fundamental musicians your band needs. But the reality is that a lot of bands have a lot of different members over the years, it's hard for a bunch of people, especially a bunch of awkward musicians, as we all are to some degree, to stick together for the long haul. My taste in music is always changing a little bit, I can't help it. Unless the band works together as a cohesive unit and it moves in that same direction, I will get distracted, and stray off and do my own thing. Its like finding your soul mate, but you have to find two or three or four of them, lol.
I can actually really identify with what you wrote. I, too, am an easily distractible musician...I can rarely stick with one style for more than 2 or 3 songs. And band practice is, kinda, a job you don't get paid for, especially if you're not 100% into whats being played.
But I'd just think there'd be more people willing to put in the time to at least play a few shows and see what kind of response they get. If you want to make a living doing music, you'd have to be familiar with shows. And I haven't played one. Fack.
I am, unfortunately, limited by being self taught...I can't read music at all, and I have a kind of idiosyncratic style that I'm sure is riddled with technical flaws...so I'm pretty much strictly a rock musician.Quote:
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I've also realized if you have a specific vision for what you want your group to be, you can't rely on anyone else to make it that. Learn to sing and play, and get it sounding really good. I'm in the process of doing that right now because the sound from my band isn't anywhere near as good or anywhere near similar enough stylistically to the sound in my head.
That's what I did. I learned to play bass, sing, and program drum tracks. Good advice, it makes you a more well rounded musician.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
#14031608 - 02/26/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't understand how you can deduce so much about your "style".
just let it be what it is. and yeah... learn as much as you can for yourself, so you don't limit your abilities; that would be good advice.
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style is just another way of saying that you can only play a certain type of music, it's a limiting factor.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031641 - 02/26/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my point, exactly. :P
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akira_akuma said: my point, exactly. :P
yeah i know. i think its funny when people brag about their 'style'
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031657 - 02/26/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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or in general, limiting the definition of music.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
#14031661 - 02/26/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anneji said: I am, unfortunately, limited by being self taught...I can't read music at all, and I have a kind of idiosyncratic style that I'm sure is riddled with technical flaws...so I'm pretty much strictly a rock musician.
Sounds exactly like me
You know for years man I never even used my pinky on my fretting hand. I learned all the chords I played with three fingers, including bar chords. I learned how to play all kinds of lead licks, copying hendrix and jimmy page and stuff and all without my pinky. I just figured, whatever, I can do anything I need to do with these three fingers, I'm just a rock musician. But I forced myself to start playing with my pinky about two years ago. And I can definitely say that my guitar playing has improved tenfold. I started listening to jazz fusion guitarists and heard a whole new world of insane sounds that I wanted to imitate, and now I am actually getting close. Another good example is that I used to not even know what key I was playing in, or what chord is what, besides the basic open chords. Well I started just paying a little more attention, and now it seems like music theory has just fallen into place for me, everything makes perfect sense on the guitar, and I can play in any key, anywhere it seems. My point is, don't let your perceived technical flaws or learning disadvantage hold you back. You just aren't polished yet, it will take another year or two. Musicians are never done learning new things, just keep pushing yourself.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031674 - 02/26/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: style is just another way of saying that you can only play a certain type of music, it's a limiting factor.
Well, yes, or, you can play anything but you just don't want to. That is totally different.
Pretending to not want to play something because you really CANT is different from just not wanting to play something
There are a lot of things I could play great but I wouldn't want to.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
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Anneji said: I am, unfortunately, limited by being self taught...I can't read music at all, and I have a kind of idiosyncratic style that I'm sure is riddled with technical flaws...so I'm pretty much strictly a rock musician.
Sounds exactly like me
You know for years man I never even used my pinky on my fretting hand. I learned all the chords I played with three fingers, including bar chords. I learned how to play all kinds of lead licks, copying hendrix and jimmy page and stuff and all without my pinky. I just figured, whatever, I can do anything I need to do with these three fingers, I'm just a rock musician. But I forced myself to start playing with my pinky about two years ago. And I can definitely say that my guitar playing has improved tenfold. I started listening to jazz fusion guitarists and heard a whole new world of insane sounds that I wanted to imitate, and now I am actually getting close. Another good example is that I used to not even know what key I was playing in, or what chord is what, besides the basic open chords. Well I started just paying a little more attention, and now it seems like music theory has just fallen into place for me, everything makes perfect sense on the guitar, and I can play in any key, anywhere it seems. My point is, don't let your perceived technical flaws or learning disadvantage hold you back. You just aren't polished yet, it will take another year or two. Musicians are never done learning new things, just keep pushing yourself.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
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How were you playing Hendrix without using your pinky? He uses it like 94% of the time
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
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There are a lot of great things I could play great but I wouldn't want to.
sounds more like it.
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There are a lot of great things I could play great but I wouldn't want to.
sounds more like it.
I didn't even say that 
I'm suing you for slandersizing.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031715 - 02/26/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: How were you playing Hendrix without using your pinky? He uses it like 94% of the time 
You'd be surprised
I've got long fingers
Not that I was playing it "right", or well
I've gotten a lot better now though
Yes it is a lot better to play hendrix with all four fingers. I think he played a lot of his lead stuff with just the three though, the pinky when necessary.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
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There are a lot of great things I could play great but I wouldn't want to.
sounds more like it.
I didn't even say that 
I'm suing you for slandersizing.
i'm high, and... not skitzo or anything.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
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Hendrix had stupid huge hands and still used his pinky 96.3 % of the time.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031745 - 02/26/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont know buddy but I'll tell you what, and you don't have to believe me if you don't want
I shred the fuck out of the guitar and I still only use my pinky when necessary. My other three fingers do most of the work.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
#14031759 - 02/26/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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his pinky was a distinctive part of his sound
thats all im saying numbnuts
sounds like u and yer pinky have some talking to do
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
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You mean his style of chord comping like in little wing and such?
If so, then yes, I agree, and that is why I started forcing myself to use my pinky. I never had any trouble playing blues licks with just the three fingers. Of course I'm a lot faster with four.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
#14031802 - 02/26/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: style is just another way of saying that you can only play a certain type of music, it's a limiting factor.
...that's just what I said. My style limits me. I am certainly not bragging about it. I couldn't play flamenco guitar, for example. It's a style I am not familiar with.
I picked up guitar at 14 and never took lessons. I watched live footage of many guitarists, like most self taught people do. That's not necessarily the best place to learn the basics. I never really learned songs either, I always just wrote my own (not bragging...they were shitty). So yes, I have a personal style, and yes, it limits me. How can you NOT develop a personal style when the only musician you write songs with is yourself?
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: Anneji]
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...that's just what I said. My style limits me. I am certainly not bragging about it. I couldn't play flamenco guitar, for example. It's a style I am not familiar with.
I picked up guitar at 14 and never took lessons. I watched live footage of many guitarists, like most self taught people do. That's not necessarily the best place to learn the basics. I never really learned songs either, I always just wrote my own (not bragging...they were shitty). So yes, I have a personal style, and yes, it limits me. How can you NOT develop a personal style when the only musician you write songs with is yourself?
I wasn't really replying too you or anybody in particular.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
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I wasn't really replying too you or anybody in particular.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said: style is just another way of saying that you can only play a certain type of music, it's a limiting factor.
It depends on how you look at it. Unless I misunderstand what you mean... I think your statement is one of ignorance.
Style isn't about confining yourself to limits, it's about creating a sound that is distinctively YOU. There are some bands you listen to an think "Nobody but _________ could have made this"
THAT is style.
I know it's now the cool thing to pretend to like all type of music and want to play all types of music. But I would consider most of my favorite musicians great because they created their own unique sound (or style)
Edit- To chime in on the above convo. Jimi Hendrix had fucking STYLE. Yes, you better believe it... he had a charasma and sound all his own that nobody else could ever replicate.
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Re: Flakey musicians? [Re: drr]
#14032571 - 02/26/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've always had the problem of musician flakes when it comes to a band setting.
It seems so many people are more interested in doing their own ego thing.
I really just want to start right from the basic basics and learn to play in time and key before i run off and do some flaky crazy thing before we can put 2 and 2 together.
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