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wow
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a question..
#14029717 - 02/26/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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ive been reading that while you colonize a monotub you should seal it off completely so the co2 builds up while it colonizes.. is this purely to keep it from fruiting? why cant i fully seal a wbs jar while it colonizes? these things contradict each other.. wouldnt a monotub colonize faster with some sort of GE? say if someone had a bottle with spawn and substrate mixed.. should they cap it while it colonizes and uncap it to fruit? this is only a hypethetical situation but i would think it would stall the growth.. i dont get it.. can somebody explain please?
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029826 - 02/26/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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You don't need to seal it off. I've had shotgun style tubs that were left with the holes open and it works just fine.
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so once it fully colonizes it just starts fruiting? you left that open just like that while it colonized? no prastic rap or anything? i was thinking instead of a trash bag like some use i was gonna tape plastic rap inside the tub near the top so it doesnt touch the sub.. should i seal it completely or leave it some breathing room? im not fully understanding this concept.. is it just making it FAE for fruiting rather than GE for colonizing or what?
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029874 - 02/26/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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I mix and prepare the tub and leave it as you see it in the first pic.
It takes about 7-14 days to colonize, then I introduce the tub to fruiting conditions by misting the sub well and fanning 3 times a day.
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029877 - 02/26/11 11:07 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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oh and nice lookin grow! i hope i can get pins like that!
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029883 - 02/26/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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its pretty basic to tape up the holes on a tub and let it colonize..the lid isn't air tight so it allows for GE during the colonization...then when its done remove tape and fruit
but here recently i've been seeing some say they let the tubs get light and FAE by leaving the holes untaped..they say it works fine, i have not tried it so i can not say if it does or not..
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029884 - 02/26/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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Take care of your project and you will be able to.
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Quote:
biologys said: its pretty basic to tape up the holes on a tub and let it colonize..the lid isn't air tight so it allows for GE during the colonization...then when its done remove tape and fruit
but here recently i've been seeing some say they let the tubs get light and FAE by leaving the holes untaped..they say it works fine, i have not tried it so i can not say if it does or not..
All of my projects were exposed to 12 hours of light a day. I had all of my projects, colonizing and fruiting, in the same grow space. I experienced no premature pinning.
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Quote:
m00nshine said:
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biologys said: its pretty basic to tape up the holes on a tub and let it colonize..the lid isn't air tight so it allows for GE during the colonization...then when its done remove tape and fruit
but here recently i've been seeing some say they let the tubs get light and FAE by leaving the holes untaped..they say it works fine, i have not tried it so i can not say if it does or not..
All of my projects were exposed to 12 hours of light a day. I had all of my projects, colonizing and fruiting, in the same grow space. I experienced no premature pinning.
i colonize with light as well, i wasn't saying anything bad at all bout the method...
which is why i also threw in that some let the tubs recieved FAE during colonization, i msyelf haven't tried it so im not going to say its wrong..each has their own methods that work perfect for them
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Just like your jars, you want GE during colonization of bulk substrate. Plastic tubs weren't designed for mycology. Therefore, they don't have an airtight seal around the lid, unless you got those really expensive ones that have the gasket on them that seals when you click the handles shut. Thus, leaving you w/ GE on the tub just through the gap between the bin & lid.
Now if you have the expensive airtight ones, I'd recommend putting a few holes in the lid w/ some kinda filter material over the holes for GE. I use Synthetic Filter Disks for mine.
I recently put my tubs in a black trash bag & they didn't get nearly enough GE, which caused 3 tubs to get bacteria...
Also, I keep my tubs in a closet w/ the door open to keep them @ the same temp as my grains that are colonizing.
Make sure not to peek until 10 days after spawning to bulk. If you peak, you'll be introducing too much GE turning it into FAE making your tub pin before you want it to
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029914 - 02/26/11 11:15 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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ok.. so more humidity and misting make it fruit.. id not like to mist or open my tub much i think it would evap here pretty hard cuz its real dry around here.. the lid of my tub is pretty loose and doesnt seal all that great.. so you think i could just tape up the holes and leave the lid on and it will colonize just fine without fruiting too soon?
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14029921 - 02/26/11 11:16 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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yes it'll do fine
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14030092 - 02/26/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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wow thanks guys i replied and i had like 3 replys within the time it took me to write that! so ill go ahead and do like you all say and just tape the holes up.. i should be spawning within a week or so.. thats why i was wondering.. ill cut the holes and untape them when its time.. i was thinkin light wouldnt hurt.. i was more confused about the air issue.. i was thinking i needed to completely seal the thing somehow which i now understand to be incorrect.. i love the shroomery! thanks guys!
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Re: a question.. [Re: wow]
#14030217 - 02/26/11 12:28 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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You don't completely seal the chamber during colonization. A small amount of gas exchange is required, as it is with grain jars. If you provide too much fresh air during colonization, the CO2 level drops and your mycelium digests too much of the substrate, liberating it as CO2. By having a high CO2 level during colonization, metabolism is slowed, and more of the substrate is left intact for the fruiting stage. This is one of the ways we manipulate conditions to do a better job than nature itself does. RR
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I'm experimenting with putting holes in the trash bag and taping filter patches over them. Worked once, trying again!
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