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this is getting a little stressful
    #14029781 - 02/26/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

alright so i search, i search, i search and more search and it seems like everybody contradicts everyone else. i guess because of the experience/ method of cultivation.

if you follow my journal there is an in depth of how i got to this point.

im getting quite a few aborts


it seems like i started to get a black rim around my caps after i had poked a hole on the bottom of the fc to drain it of standing water.


thats my set up.

i got a humidifier that i got running 12/12 off w/ my 40 watt bulb they both go on together, am i doing this right? any suggestions?

i got 6 pint jars almost 100% colonized i dont want them to go into a bad home i also have that large rubber maid on the bottom which i plan to plant a whole new set of cakes but thats near furutre, suggestions? comments? remarks?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14029810 - 02/26/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my advice to you is too always look at dates when you are searching. Teks chage all the time so things that may hav e been popular years ago can be different now. Just follow some up to date teks and youll be golden .


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: The_Outsider]
    #14029834 - 02/26/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The humidifier being on 12/12 is the problem, I'd say. You need to keep the RH up & what's happening is that you're RH is dropping significantly at night, or when your humidifier is off for 12 hours.

Try & get the thing dialed in w/ a more on/off/on/off schedule in an hour. You want your RH between 85% & 99%.

I'd recommend getting a precision timer or, at least, one that you can adjust to on/off every 15 minutes. I got one of the latter from Wally world for about $10, the precisions are more expensive (60-100) depending where you find it & what brand. I got mine for my fogger online for around $65 shipped to my door.

Also, what rating is that light? It should be 6500K on a 12/12 schedule...


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14029906 - 02/26/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

rating of light? idk its a lava lamp? so wait i dont want the humidifier on all day?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14029957 - 02/26/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You'll probably end up drowning them w/ water if it's on 24/7...

You can go to any hardware store, check the lighting section & pick up a blue-daylight bulb rated @ 6500K...

I'm sure that lamp isn't enough...


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14030060 - 02/26/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hot damn! i thought a lamp strong enough to melt wax was strong enough, so wait one those regular light buls will do? and is that whats giving it that black rimo.O or is that normal?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14030083 - 02/26/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not the heat of the lamp, it's the color scale that you need. I use a "regular" light bulb that's rated @ 6500K.

I'm not sure what you mean about the "black rim"?

The aborts are most likely due to the lack of RH...I know when I was dialing in my GH w/ colonized substrates, I had some odd looking guys due to fluctuating temps & RH


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14030109 - 02/26/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ah. alright ill change the light bulb and update here in a few days.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14030122 - 02/26/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mess w/ your humidifier too buddy. Or just make a Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC), they're really the best way to go for BRF cakes.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14030130 - 02/26/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im no expert or anything but do you even need a humidifier with perlite in the bottom?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: wow]
    #14030139 - 02/26/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well im a newb, and i just thought the humidifier would help, no?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14030435 - 02/26/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i had poked a hole on the bottom of the fc to drain it of standing water.




1/4" holes, every 2", on all six sides.
4"+ moist perlite.

It looks like they could do with some fresh air.


Mycelium uses light as a pinning trigger and the source itself as a direction of growth. (maybe why your fruits look aimless)


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: ModularMind]
    #14030499 - 02/26/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ya, fresh air. If you don't have some holes for airflow (hard to tell in pics) leaving the humidifier off for 12 hours can cause problems. Easiest way to fix that is to put some holes near the bottom and top, and keep the perlite moist.

I'm not sure light is a problem, looks okay from the pictures.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: ModularMind]
    #14030566 - 02/26/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

HEY thanks for the advice, ima do that.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14030809 - 02/26/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

CFL bulbs rated at 65000k

the higher the watts the further you can have it away from the lid of the tub

I had a 27w=100w

Heat zapps the RH right out of a tub:super:

Sometimes I grow with the lights off, my fruits still grow straight up:shrug:


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14030894 - 02/26/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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CFL bulbs rated at 65000k

the higher the watts the further you can have it away from the lid of the tub

I had a 27w=100w

Heat zapps the RH right out of a tub:super:

Sometimes I grow with the lights off, my fruits still grow straight up:shrug:




That's because fruits grow more towards FAE....


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14031004 - 02/26/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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CFL bulbs rated at 65000k




Quote:

The Eskimo Nebula

At 65,000 Kelvin, the central star is only (for planetary nebulae) modestly hot.




I'd imagine moisture levels are difficult to maintain in that instance.

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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: ModularMind]
    #14034328 - 02/27/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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CFL bulbs rated at 65000k




Quote:

The Eskimo Nebula

At 65,000 Kelvin, the central star is only (for planetary nebulae) modestly hot.




I'd imagine moisture levels are difficult to maintain in that instance.

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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14034538 - 02/27/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so wait, do i realllly need 80-99 humidity? i got a reading of 75% humidity, and after fanning out the fc quite a couple of times(waiting on a 1/4 inch drill bit) they started to fruit more easily

i even got one of them to break veil!!!
brazilian strain?


what is that white stuff growing on my cake, and all of that cob web crap
and is it ok to be fuzzy
and is that my cake sweating?!?! whats going on >.>
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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14034645 - 02/27/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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so wait, do i realllly need 80-99 humidity? i got a reading of 75% humidity, and after fanning out the fc quite a couple of times(waiting on a 1/4 inch drill bit) they started to fruit more easily

i even got one of them to break veil!!!
brazilian strain?


what is that white stuff growing on my cake, and all of that cob web crap
and is it ok to be fuzzy
and is that my cake sweating?!?! whats going on >.>
im freaking out here man.




the white growing on the cake is mycelium, and the shrooms look like you need more FAE. you don't NEED 80%-99 humid but for best results it should be, and i think they pin faster at a higher humid level.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14034649 - 02/27/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The white ropey stuff looks like rhizomorphic mycelia

The fluffy stuff all over your stems is Myc too,
Fuzzy stems are caused by lack of FAE,

Those fruits are telling you something
give them what they need and they will give you love.

the MOAR you fan the better.:super:

Humidity is especially important at the pinning stage.

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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14034654 - 02/27/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hm could i use a computer fan to exhaust some air?

like cut a hole somewhere on the fc and use that to exhaust,

any better ideas? because i can only tend to my babies after i come home from work which is usually 11


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14034711 - 02/27/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you use a fan don't have it blowing directly at your FC.it will dry everything out especially if you can't attend to it.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: skoomo]
    #14034716 - 02/27/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no like exhaust, it would be taking the air OUT and where would i put it? if you look at my set up its like 4 containers glued into eachother with the bottoms cut out. so the fan would go somewhere in the middle?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14034731 - 02/27/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey, on the side note, thanks for all your help people. i do, do a lot of searches, and i appreciate yall taking the time out to answer my questions.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14035929 - 02/27/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You want the FAE to come through the bottom and circulate imo.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14035965 - 02/27/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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hm could i use a computer fan to exhaust some air?

like cut a hole somewhere on the fc and use that to exhaust,

any better ideas? because i can only tend to my babies after i come home from work which is usually 11




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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14036339 - 02/27/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ah! im so honored ><
if that is who i think it is,
i watched the entire lets grow! dvd set
soo much knowledge!!
::bows down::

newb-ness aside.
thanks? :laugh:

*edit*
i cant find anything a-specific.

im looking for grow(guide?) on Brazilian strain
are they intolerant to co2?
and such >.>
i also got Tasmanian coming up :smile:


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14036954 - 02/27/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

each 'guide' is for cubensis, which is what all 'strains' are..they all grow the same..


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14037838 - 02/27/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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hm could i use a computer fan to exhaust some air?

like cut a hole somewhere on the fc and use that to exhaust,

any better ideas? because i can only tend to my babies after i come home from work which is usually 11




Sure, but put it on a timer so it goes on maybe 1/2 hour in 3 or so.  Allows your RH to recover inbetween FAE.  Get a little manual timer at Lowes or wherever to do that and run it off a 9-12v transformer.



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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14038503 - 02/27/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Computer fans push a lot of air (relative to a tub), so you would need to restrict outflow, or use some other strategy to control FAE. I don't really like the cheap hour timers because they are limited in the number of cycles per day. For a little more money you can buy a variable repeat cycle timer, which is what I use to control humidity with an ultrasonic humidifier.

For air exchange, I use a cool mist. I run it dry. I drilled some holes in the cover and connect the cool mist to the tubs with 1/2" tubing. This restricts the air flow to around 10 exchanges per hour, and I run it 24/7. It takes some tinkering with the variables: tube diameter, tube length, and number of holes in the cool mist cover.

I've also played around with shotgun tubs, and found that most of the ultrasonic mist remains in the tubs, which would probably be a better option... but I have the cool mist working well and it's saving me from drilling a bunch more holes.:smile:


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: Rahz]
    #14039499 - 02/27/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



wahhhh what is this shit?!?!?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14039569 - 02/27/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You ever heard of someone freaking out in a sauna?
It's probably like that somehow.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: ModularMind]
    #14039643 - 02/27/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

too warm? too much humidity?


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: timmyonx]
    #14039668 - 02/27/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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wahhhh what is this shit?!?!?




The fruiting body of a conditionally stressed mycelial organism, with sum perlite on it.


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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: ModularMind]
    #14039982 - 02/28/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a public computer, 1,000's of people use it everyday this isn't me typing this.  I dont even know how I got on this site, how the hell do I even work this computer.:wow: 



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Re: this is getting a little stressful [Re: Rahz]
    #14042021 - 02/28/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Computer fans push a lot of air (relative to a tub), so you would need to restrict outflow, or use some other strategy to control FAE.




Just run 'em on a low voltage and they work perfectly fine.  If you have a closed system, set the fan to exhaust and draw FA in through the filters (polyfill).

In my aquarium gravel fruiting chamber with constant bottom heat RH% is never a problem, it just takes a dip during the half hour of gentle air exchange. :shrug:

You certainly don't need multiple air exchanges per hour, the oxygen in the chamber doesn't get exhausted in the couple-three hours between FAE cycles.

And, oh yeah, whatever.  (almost forgot :lol:)

:peace:PS


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