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A Few Questions about B+, like its name...
    #14028899 - 02/26/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Firstly, hello.

Why is cubensis b+ called "b+" ? I've been googling for the answer but have been able to find no explanation.

Was cubensis B+ a naturally occurring muhroom or was it engineered in some way, is it a hybrid? because i read one source that said that they were "discovered" around 1904 and mistaken for "azarius" (that was a guess) before being renamed as psilocybe cubensis. Obviously this would imply that they were found growing naturally, however i have also read that they are a hybrid. I'm sure someone here can clear this up?

I know that cubensis are native to north america, i know that psilocybe means "bald head" and understand that "cubensis" means "coming from cuba" but i was wondering, despite the cuba thing, is cubensis B+ native to other parts of the world? because i understood that they were from mexico in the first instance.

Well thats my first post, i'm growing B+ at the moment by the way, so thats why i have an interest.

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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14028913 - 02/26/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Most Psilocybe strains will have their strain names attributed to their location of discovery. Like, Costa Rican, Mazatapec, Huaulta etc. I'm not sure about the original whereabouts of th B+ strain, or if it was even discovered. Based on prior knowledge I would assume that B+ was not discovered, but created, forgive me if I'm wrong.
In any case, the B+ strain is one of the most easily cultivated and least temperamental of cubensis strains that I've had to deal with. You will have among the easiest times growing these as opposed to another strain.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Microppose]
    #14028920 - 02/26/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, these little bastards beat out some pretty heavy bacterial contamination and started pinning invertro for me! I however have no idea about the origin of it's name


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Microppose]
    #14028921 - 02/26/11 03:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the info, i'm aware that they are the easiest to grow, my mycelium is still colonizing but i am optomistic about the end result.

If this goes well i plan to make my own b+ syringes and also start to grow golden teacher.

Any other ideas about where b+ originates from etc? Cheers

edit: and thats right, i read that when found it was mistaken for p. azurescens.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14028939 - 02/26/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

B+ mistaken for Azurescens? Unlikely.
If you want to keep your culture alive, research grain to grain transfers, you don't need to make extra spore syringes unless you REALLY want to. Or you are staying with cakes, then I guess syringes would be a safe bet.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Microppose]
    #14028960 - 02/26/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah thats definately what i read, perhaps they were mistaken as being in the same family or something? i read it on a couple of sites.

well, as this is my first time growing mushrooms i decided to use cakes and go with the easiest strain to grow but now that you mention it i was wondering how people transfer shrooms from substrate to substrate and keep them going, and also what the method is to get your shrooms growing on a subtrate that is just spread out evenly on the bottom of a terrarium, can that be done with brown rice and verm substrate?

I would probably make syringes any way just for fun, might sell a couple if i can do it, mind you its very early days here.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14028986 - 02/26/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Most of us label syringes A, B, C, 1, 2, 3, like that.
I'll get names like OR2A3b sometimes. B+, just a name.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Doc_T]
    #14028993 - 02/26/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh really, thanks for that, i guess that sort of confirms that b+ are a hybrid and were never found growing naturally because somebody engineered them, its a bit weird that nobody knows the real origin. Also, i'm a little disappointed if the shrooms i'm growing are a hybrid, its not as "natural", oh well...

on a side note, when your growing your shrooms do you pick them before the caps open because they are more potent? is there much truth in that?


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14028997 - 02/26/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yes, if you pick just before the veils open you have the highest potency. I dont have any specific details as to why, but i'm sure a simple search might find that for ya :-)


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029011 - 02/26/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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oh really, thanks for that, i guess that sort of confirms that b+ are a hybrid and were never found growing naturally because somebody engineered them,




B+ is not 'a hybrid'.
B+ was not 'engineered'.

B+ is a race of cubensis that grows normally from spores.

Don't over-analyze things. Just get a strain named for a place or a person.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Doc_T]
    #14029028 - 02/26/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok, to get this totally straight, when b+ was first discovered it was growing naturally in nature? so you could go to say mexico and find it growing in the wild?

yeah im probably over analyzing but its just bugging me.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029029 - 02/26/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I recently saw someone on here refer to them as:

"Be Positive"


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: conformist]
    #14029041 - 02/26/11 06:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I recently saw someone on here refer to them as:

"Be Positive"



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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14029072 - 02/26/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

haha be positive, i like that...


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029195 - 02/26/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-products/psilocybe-cubensis-b.html

"When first introduced, many mycologists thought the B+ to actually be a completely different species: Psilocybe azurescens."


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029207 - 02/26/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

P cubensis is native to most tropical and sub-tropical areas around the world, with their spores traveling on the trade winds, freely mixing with other members of their species wherever they land.  Names like Golden Teacher, B+, etc., are just names that somebody pulled out of their ass.  They're no more relevant to the species than family names are important to the human race.
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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14029237 - 02/26/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so in a tropical or sub tropical area it would be possible to go and find "b+" growing in the wild? when you say "mixing" with other spores do you just mean they land in the same place and so different mushrooms from the different spores grow alongside each other, or do you mean that they mix to form new strains of shroom? (thats probably a stupid question but i'm new to mycology)

although you say otherwise, and i'm probably missing something, but it seems to me that names of different strains are very important, because it identifies that particular strain from others..... like "white" people are a strain of human, "b+" are a strain of cubensis.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029306 - 02/26/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you should read the strain thread at the top of the forum!


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14029585 - 02/26/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you should read the strain thread at the top of the forum!




Don't bother. 

It's full of noobs attributing differences in various grows to the name someone wrote on the syringe rather than to the differences in growing from spores where the genetics are wide open.  I long ago quit even attempting to moderate that thread.  It's a place for noobs to spread disinformation with other noobs, which in turn  helps to keep the rest of the forum available for accurate information.  I usually dump that thread when it gets a few thousand posts, but I've left it alone for a year or two now.  I keep hoping it will rot and die, but we have enough turnover in membership that there's always somebody new to keep posting up there.

A strain is not the name some dude wrote on a print or syringe.  A strain is a pairing of compatible hyphae.  Anyone who thinks all B+ is going to look and perform alike must think every person with a surname 'Smith' must look  and perform alike.


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so in a tropical or sub tropical area it would be possible to go and find "b+" growing in the wild?





No, you'd find P cubensis.
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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14031570 - 02/26/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Basically from what I have gathered on the forums posted by the experts like RR, there aren't really wild "strains" in P. Cubensis. There are only really 3 noticable genetic variations

1) the various PE, Penis envy, morphs which are thick and the caps are screwy rarely mature properly
2) the (Columbian?) Red Spore which has red spores and print which I've heard causes reduced viability
3) Albinos, which I have only seen as the APE or Albino Penis Envy.

Other then that a Cube is a Cube, and any name is either a gimick or the location of discovery.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Hashishin13]
    #14031638 - 02/26/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh jesus, not the B+... Let the stories begin... lol :rolleyes:


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14031667 - 02/26/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ok, to get this totally straight, when b+ was first discovered it was growing naturally in nature?




A wild mushroom gave spores.
Those spores led to fruits and more spores.
Those later spores were named B+.

That's it. That's all it is, a family name like RR said.
Some families look alike, some don't. But there's variance.
Same with intelligence, or anything else.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Hashishin13]
    #23733958 - 10/13/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If there is no difference between B+ and other 'strains' such as golden teacher, then why do a lot of people seem to say that b+ is easier to grow? is this just in their imagination? because if a cube is a cube, then all these 'strains' which people just make up the name of, would all be as easy to grow as each other, right?


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #23734095 - 10/13/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Holy crap dude you came back 5 years later with the same question!?

That's nuts.

B+ is just a name. All normal cubes are the same difficulty to grow
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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23734193 - 10/13/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The only cube Iv'e noticed any difference in growing is PE and thats only cause they are slooooowwww. Every other strain I've grown for all intents and purposes have been the same.  The best explanation for B+ was that it is notorious for being very hallow in the stem. So instead of giving it an A for overall performance, it got a b+! :cool:


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #23736997 - 10/14/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Holy crap dude you came back 5 years later with the same question!?

That's nuts.

B  is just a name. All normal cubes are the same difficulty to grow
so just get whichever and work on isolating good genes




lol, yeah natedawgnow, I haven't stopped doing shrooms each autumn but I have been away from this place for a while eh.

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The only cube Iv'e noticed any difference in growing is PE and thats only cause they are slooooowwww. Every other strain I've grown for all intents and purposes have been the same.  The best explanation for B+ was that it is notorious for being very hallow in the stem. So instead of giving it an A for overall performance, it got a b+! :cool:




You see, there it is again though, you're saying that all b+ have a certain characteristc; in this case it is not that they are easy to grow but that they have 'hollow stems'. If  cube is just a cube, then this attribute wouldn't be isolated specifically to B+ surely? rather you would have cubes with varying stem density, whether you were talking about cubes that someone had been labelled'B+' or not.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #23737033 - 10/14/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think when people say a cube is a cube, they mean as a very general statement. Of course you are going to have variation in characteristics from strain to strain, and yes, by cultivating them those characteristics can very well be isolated. B+ are just an average cube, nothing great, but still easy to grow and produces the effects you are looking for, I dont think it gets more complicated than that.


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #23737039 - 10/14/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

a couple of things:

1. just like RR told you, a "strain" is a pairing of compatible hyphae, has nothing to do with what someone wrote on a syringe. what you are referring to is a race, just like races of humans, or races of dogs

2. B+, if i recall correctly, was created by Mr. G, who also created A strain, etc. It has 2 main variations, version 1 and version 2. the main reason people say it is easy to grow is because it is a highly domesticated race, since it has been being cultured for a long time, all over the world. By adapting to flourish in artificial conditions rather than the wild, the race has become very domesticated, just like how it is easier to raise pug dogs than wolves, or farm pigs vs wild boars

3. you are correct, no attribute is isolated to a particular race, just like asian people arent the only ones with black hair. it is a matter of selective reproduction, selective culturing, and the mycellium's natural adaptations to artificial conditions over many generations. there is a LOT of genetic diversity in a spore print

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    #23737530 - 10/14/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is against the rules now.  :shrug:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14960167


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Re: A Few Questions about B+, like its name... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23738109 - 10/14/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is so old Doc_T responded to it...


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