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ChronicSmoke
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How am I doing?
#14027067 - 02/25/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello everyone,
I have been lurking for some time gathering information from all of you great people here. And I finally jumped in, I already made jars, sterilized, knocked up, colonized, and then let them consolidated. Did I get all of that right?
I already birthed two jars Monday night that were done much faster then the other jars. Funny enough I birthed one last night that had two small pins growing on it, I guess I should have birthed that one Monday also. I have two more jars that aren't birthed yet one has a tiny little spot that is just finishing up it was a bit slow, and the other is good to go just waiting for its bro to be done colonizing.
So here are some pics I have major concerns about humidity. I have three Hygrometers and they all say something different, I had a 4th in there for a bit and it also said something different but it was cool with me it was 95%. I read the Shotgun method is practically full proof, but I am always concerned because the digital one just says 90% another digital one said 95% and the other two are Analogue(I hope that right) and one goes never above 70 and the other just stops at 80.
I spray the FC about 3-4 times a day a nice mist about 2ft from the cakes. I fan 5-6 times(possibly too much) I have the 1/4"holes drilled in all 6 sides roughly 2in apart, 5in of Perlite that was rinsed very well with water. I just want to make sure they are happy and its humid enough for them.
There are droplets on the cakes and sides because I just sprayed before taking pics, I make sure all water on cakes is evaporated after a hour or so.
And I believe I can see one pin popping up, cant get a good pic of it, but looking at my picture I feel like there are a few clusters forming or do I have no clue what I am talking about? Almost forgot they are Golden teachers.













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Edited by ChronicSmoke (02/25/11 07:06 PM)
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biologys
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you're doing perfect..
your chamber is built like it should be, so dont worry bout the hygrometers most are crap anyway..
continue to mist/fan 3-5 times a day just as you are. and you will be rewarded in time, just be patient.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14027098 - 02/25/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, patience seems to be the name of the game. I am not good at that game but hopefully Mycology will help with that. I though all the Hygrometers were crap, I read the only good ones are expensive ones and I am going to buy a PC before I spend money on that.
Thank you for the reassurance you wouldn't believe the stress that was lifted.
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Edited by ChronicSmoke (02/25/11 07:11 PM)
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looking good.  Its nice to see your doing well your first time.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: esquaredx]
#14027284 - 02/25/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have read that a 12/12 schedule is best but I have mine on a 16on/8off schedule.
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I'd use more verm on the cakes, and sometimes I like to put a little pile on top of the cakes. Be sure to mist well as to saturate the verm.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: m00nshine]
#14028392 - 02/26/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea I got the wrong size verm it doesnt stick too well, I birthed another cake and got more verm to stick too it. I had a pile on top but brushed it off because I couldn't tell if there was a pool of water on top and I am so paranoid of tric.
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The cake I birthed, Dunked, and Rolled is a little more blue then the other cakes is this normal right after D&R hopefully it will clear up I just didn't remember my first too being that dark when i birthed them. But this cake was pining inside of the jar there were two very small musshies growing on it so maybe its a little more stressed?
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Edited by ChronicSmoke (02/26/11 12:03 AM)
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looks like you did ur homework bro, i hope mine turn out as good as those. good luck
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digital hydrometers blow.
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looking good.yeah next time get some fine grade verm. It does wonders
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ChronicSmoke
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Quote:
Larrythescaryrex said: digital hydrometers blow.
All 4 of my Hygrometers blow.
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So another Question, I made up 30 BRF jars Steralized them all, I didnt inoculate them for a couple of weeks after that. :(
So when I inoculated I did it the same way as before and I noticed when I took the aluminum foil off the jars felt wet like condensation got caught under the foil on top of the lid.
I Wiped all the lids with rubbing alcohol just in case any nasteys were on there. Well Yesterday I noticed a strange smell it smelt like old broccoli thats been sitting in the fridge. 
Its awful smelling I noticed some of the jars reak when I waff above the lids. I already know I screwed myself over I went through and took out most of the jars becasue they had a nasty smell. I left a few to see if they make it.
3 Syringes, 30 jars, all that time and effort gone.
Does it make sense that me waiting after I sterilized them and leaving that aluminum foil on there was my problem as you can see I had no problems the first time and the only difference was that I waited a couple of weeks this time because I always have to procrastinate.
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Edited by ChronicSmoke (02/26/11 01:54 AM)
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biologys
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i dont think its the fact that you waited, even though its not recommended, if proper sterilization was used the jars would of been fine...i think your foil lid was too loose and allowed water to get into your jars giving you a bacterial problem..
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14028785 - 02/26/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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cant you just put the verm in the blender or coffee grinder?
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: wow]
#14028847 - 02/26/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you could but thats too much effort IMO. id make a small mound on top.
dont oversaturate though. no standing water lots of fresh air.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: k00laid]
#14028931 - 02/26/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doin fine, let the boulders of verm work this time, but we know what to get next time around .
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looks good
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Lookin good man, keep up the good work.
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ChronicSmoke
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Thanks everyone,I think your right Biology's when I made my first five I really took my time I think making 30 I messed up a couple of times. When you put foil on them do you cover the entire jar with foil or just very tightly on top?
I put some nice piles of verm on the cakes and misted them well last night. I will get a pic today to show some updates, I just cant wait to see some musshies.
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biologys
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just put foil on the lid's
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ChronicSmoke
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Does bacteria congregate and smell that badly without even being visible. I cant imagine what it smells like when the bacteria is visible things like Green mold.
Also how come when I smell my jars that are still colonizing pretty much done I cant smell a thing even the mushroom smell. Should I even be able to smell the bacteria's shit inside the jars or is that common because they are so stinky and shitting all over my jars you can smell them without opening.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14030192 - 02/26/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's the problem I must have used too much and it got bunched up leaving crevices for water to sneak in. Im gonna keep things below 10 jars in the future.
I was ordering Spores from Sores101 but I see they aren't a sponsor and everyone says order from sponsors. I saw SporesWorks has really good prices is their shipping pretty consistent?
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biologys
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ralphstersspores.com and sporworks.com are both great places you will be satisfied..
also bacterial infection has a sour, or dirty sock type smell..
trich/green mold can have a earthy dirt smell..
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14030256 - 02/26/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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+thehawkseye is great, also.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: m00nshine]
#14030289 - 02/26/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agricultural grade verm. is what to look/ask for
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ChronicSmoke
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They had fine grade Verm, I thought I read somewhere that the more course was better, then i start going more and more through the forums and notice everyone has the fine grade verm. I get my stuff from my local Hydro Shop so hopefully it is agricultural grade verm.
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m00nshine
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medium grate ftw
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ChronicSmoke
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Its bacterial, and I am so annoyed I am down to 9 jars, and I am wishing at least 1 makes it. I am trying to isolate the smelly ones, but it looks like they are all going to smell.
Is it possible the bacteria got right under the lid and is spreading inside of my storage container for colonizing.
So depressing I dont normally drink alcohol but I feel I need too tonight.
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Quote:
curiousgeorge91 said: Agricultural grade verm. is what to look/ask for
Im retarded, i meant HORTICULTURAL grade. my bad
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I agree with k00laid. Those cakes looked a bit wet. More air will help.
And the smell is definitely bacteria.
The main problem, as I see it, was not that you waited to 'noc the jars, but that you left the foil on. This allowed bacteria to grow on the lid. (still not sure of this, but it is my suspicion)
Good luck!
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: Javadog]
#14030508 - 02/26/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So moveing on, I need to forget about this gigantic failure and plan on the future.
I am going to have my tonsils out in two weeks Its a good thing. But I was checking out the Rye Berry bags from everything mushrooms and they look like a good buy. Now with a three pound bag of Rye Berries how many cc's of spores do you inject.
And how simple is it to do a casing, pardon my ignorance I am trying to figure all of this out.
I see people talking about 50/50 casing with cow poo and vermiculite. And some with Coconut husk stuff, peatmoss, gypsum, and verm or maybe it was poo dont recall.
Anyways whats the easiest method to do a casing, I dont really have access to cow poo and horse poo. I can get some Guano from my hydro shop is that a good substitute. But I like the price on these berries and the fact they come sterilized is great cause I dont have a PC.
And are casings anymore difficult to take care of I already have seen they produce alot more.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: Javadog]
#14030515 - 02/26/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Javadog said: I agree with k00laid. Those cakes looked a bit wet. More air will help.
And the smell is definitely bacteria.
The main problem, as I see it, was not that you waited to 'noc the jars, but that you left the foil on. This allowed bacteria to grow on the lid. (still not sure of this, but it is my suspicion)
Good luck!
JD
I sprayed them right before I took the pic they aren't like that all the time.
I think you are right after I sterilized the jars leaving the foil on was worthless the holes were taped up so taking the foil off shouldn't have increased any chance for a contamination to take place. Next time I wont make that same mistake, but I wont be able to sterilize some jars for a little bit.
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The consensus seems to be that casing soil layers have the effect of increasing first flushes, but not overall yield.
You do not have to case cubes, but I usually do because I like some of the other effects of casing layers. They have the effect of buffering the substrate against the misting that I give it, and help make good fruiting conditions at the surface of the substrate.
Good luck,
JD
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: Javadog]
#14030820 - 02/26/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude don't case with manure. Or even coir. Casing layers are supposed to be non nutritious. 50-50 is peat moss mixed with vermiculite.
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: asdfasdf]
#14031098 - 02/26/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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asdfasdf said: Dude don't case with manure. Or even coir. Casing layers are supposed to be non nutritious. 50-50 is peat moss mixed with vermiculite.
QFT
Peat+verm+something to raise the pH slightly == excellent casing soil
It is the lack of nutrition that tells the fungus to fruit....or that is the legend.
JD
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: Javadog]
#14047810 - 03/01/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will be posting some pictures later, but I dont have any pins poping up. Could I have been spraying too much or is the GT cube notorious for pining slow.
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ChronicSmoke
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So some good news, the cake I just put into my FC a couple of days ago is pining, I think?
It had two really small pins on it in the jar, I left them on it one of them is poping up and has gotten much larger but the other is on the bottom still is that ok, should I try and give it some space to pop out?

And on that same cake there seems to be my first pin forming is this correct it just poped up overnight and doesn't have any cap color yet but its definitely not verm and is a nice lump.


The rest haven pined yet but over the past two days I started misting less, I felt theyw ere over saturated so I am just giving them a light mist 3 times a day and fanning around 5 or 6 times a day. So hopefully the other cakes will catch on soon enough.



So whats next, I want to harvest them when their veils break correct, do I harvest all at once or do I pick them off as they mature?
Am I going to have a small flush on that one cake because I left that pin on it, I dont understand how the flushes play out. Do they happen over a couple of weeks then you dunk again? Or do I pick them until they stop pining and dunk again?
Thanks for all your help.
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do you have the bottom of your fruiting chamber elevated?
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Re: How am I doing? [Re: Hakim0777]
#14056602 - 03/02/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes it is elevated about 5 inches off the dresser.
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