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***PICS JUST ADDED***Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days
    #14026525 - 02/25/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So Finally Ive got two of my monotubs to start fruiting after 3 weeks! 4 days ago I look and I have groupings of small primordial blobs all over both of them along with small knots..however they are not covering the surface and they seem to not be growing. The monotubs have not changed in appearance since the day the primordia have showed..any ideas why, or help?

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Here are the pics I promised

this is the first grouping of primordia


second grouping


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just added wax paper last night to help with humidity if thats the problem...you can see only 4 of the 8 holes have polyfill now


picture of my two monotubs


with fan on low, indirectly facing the tubs



so as you can see, its been 4 days now and no change in primordial growth..any help?





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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14026603 - 02/25/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is it cased? If not...its far from 100% colonized! Anyway...let it be...it will grow for sure...maybe bit more FAE!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14026614 - 02/25/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

its cased and patched!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14026647 - 02/25/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

and all the threads Ive looked at on here say primordia to pins in 3 days max..and its been 4 days!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14026683 - 02/25/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It would be nice to have more pics so we can see good! I wouldn't say it take 3 days MAX...it can take day or two...or 3 more! Sooooo many different things influence it...genetics,your set up,how much u mist and fan,how much poly is in those holes...
I would give it more FAE and just wait for it!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14026707 - 02/25/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Okay..I will take more pics tonight when I get home, so be on the look out. Poly is moderately filling 6 of the holes and 2 of the top ones in each tub are completely open and poly-free. I fan and mist twice a day, once when the lights are off and once 12hrs later when i turn them on


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14026717 - 02/25/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you cased so i would definitely watch out with the misting. the casing already provides alot of moisture you do not want to oversaturate.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: virus1824]
    #14026728 - 02/25/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Definitely dont oversaturate..I mist just to replenish the color when it dries out, because of the two holes that are open without polyfill..I also generously mist the sides and top of the tub more than I mist the actual substrate


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14026759 - 02/25/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lol its the substrate that needs the water not the tub :wink:

but other than that i do not case myself so i'd wait for more experienced people to come along. If i were you and provide more info on howlong you've been incubating, howlong did you let the mycelium consolidate etc. more info provides better answers.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: virus1824]
    #14026765 - 02/25/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Of course haha! the substrate is definitely good on moisture though..the reason I mist is to keep up on the humidity that drops because of the open holes


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14029497 - 02/26/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here are the pics I promised

this is the first grouping of primordia


second grouping


third.


fourth


just added wax paper last night to help with humidity if thats the problem...you can see only 4 of the 8 holes have polyfill now


picture of my two monotubs


with fan on low, indirectly facing the tubs



so as you can see, its been 4 days now and no change in primordial growth..any help?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14029594 - 02/26/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

please help, going away soon urgenttt!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14029829 - 02/26/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If u provided all optimal conditions(and it looks like it)...there is nothing more u can do! Just wait and it all gonna be ok...


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14030113 - 02/26/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

really? I figure there must be something Im doing wrong or could change..reading everyones posts they say primordia to pins in one or two days..its been 4!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14030673 - 02/26/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

also the other tub keeps growing new primordia, but the old ones don't grow!


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14030699 - 02/26/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what type of spawn did you use?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: maynardsdick]
    #14030755 - 02/26/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I used BRF/Verm jars spawned to coir/coffee/verm


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14034962 - 02/27/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its been 5 days now and no change...I notice new primordia popping up..just like in the pictures, but they never keep growing and form a dark head...


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14035006 - 02/27/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd say that the problem is your spawn. Next time use grain, brf spawn is problematic. All you can do is wait at this point. Make sure your polyfil is loose, and i'd put some back in those empty holes or its going to dry out. Manually fan and lightly mist the casing layer several times a day.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #14035030 - 02/27/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

don't love them to death


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #14035050 - 02/27/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

just put polyfill back in the holes..going to mist and fan like crazy (but not too crazy) and ill keep you guys updated


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14035065 - 02/27/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You'll be fine, just try to be patient. It's hard.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #14035537 - 02/27/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't get them too wet or they wont pin, evaporation of tiny droplets on it will help it pin. If it stays wet it probably won't pin, mist a foot or two away in a very fine mist and let it fall onto it. I have a cake that didn't pin for two weeks in fc because I was misting too much. I now mist twice a day and the almost totally blue cake now has about 20 pins on it.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14035838 - 02/27/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Is it cased? If not...its far from 100% colonized! Anyway...let it be...it will grow for sure...maybe bit more FAE!




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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14035842 - 02/27/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it could be a humidification problem but at the same time with bulk grows ive had pins that took almost two weeks to pop up. Fucked up huh?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14036111 - 02/27/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Is it cased? If not...its far from 100% colonized! Anyway...let it be...it will grow for sure...maybe bit more FAE!




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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14036146 - 02/27/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Is it cased? If not...its far from 100% colonized! Anyway...let it be...it will grow for sure...maybe bit more FAE!




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I was thinking the same thing, and couldn't understand how it was so captivating.
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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Treefeeler]
    #14040732 - 02/28/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well its day 6 now...Some of them have little tiny brown heads Im noticing..so theres alot of tiny pins they just refuse to grow tall..theres more each day but they all refuse to grow. Ive put polyfill in the holes and im misting 3 times a day and fanning three times a day, dont know what else to do. I dont have a humidity gauge but it seems good humidity wise, and consider its a monotub it should be self-sustaining.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14040755 - 02/28/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well its day 6 now...Some of them have little tiny brown heads Im noticing..so theres alot of tiny pins they just refuse to grow tall..theres more each day but they all refuse to grow. Ive put polyfill in the holes and im misting 3 times a day and fanning three times a day, dont know what else to do. I dont have a humidity gauge but it seems good humidity wise, and consider its a monotub it should be self-sustaining.




So what is the problem? Is it pining??? YUP!!!:smile:

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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14040769 - 02/28/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

youre saying nothing is wrong? Its normal and has been heard of before for pins to pop up and not grow for 6 days?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14040783 - 02/28/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you sure they are pins, what is your temp in the FC, you got pics?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14040789 - 02/28/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the pics are on the first page...and the temp is a constant 72


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14040858 - 02/28/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if the sub is still that wet you need to mist less IMO evaporation and FAE are big pinning triggers, also that plastic bubble wrap might not be letting enough light through. I would try to get a clear piece of plastic or plexi glass for your windows and get the lights as close as you can, to the "clear window" not bubble wrap, without heating up the FC with your 6500k CFLs. Light is also a big pinning trigger, that bubble wrap may be blocking allot of the light spectrum that the primordia likes. IMHO plastic from a large ziplock or even saran wrap would be better than bubble wrap, I have read that allot of light is important for pinning in bulk. Just an idea, but my lid is clear, I have cakes tho, and my light is almost touching the lid without heating it up at all.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14041277 - 02/28/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea Ill stop misting so some evaporation occurs..how often should i mist this monotub? I think enough light gets through to the pins because they are completely visible through the bubble wrap with the lights on..


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14041347 - 02/28/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I still think it need more FAE...specialy cuz its cased! Mist once a day and fan 2-3 times!
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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: Perun]
    #14042750 - 02/28/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know about monotubs, it just looked awfully wet to me. You should ask a trusted cultivator or wait till doc_t or somone with more experience answers that. When in doubt I ask on AMU's thread 13shrooms or somone else knowledgeable will answer you pretty quick, you could just link them this thread and tell them you need help.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14042808 - 02/28/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea i was expecting over saturation myself. as far as i know when you apply a casing layer you barely have to mist at all. but i don't use casings so i dont know for sure.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14042833 - 02/28/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok thanks alot for the info. Just got a digital temperature humidity weather thing for 50 bucks. Says the temp in my tub is 72 and the rh is 83%. I'm going to increase fae been fanning alot today gonna do it about 5 times a day


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14042922 - 02/28/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Never mind disregard, I just read that your post said digital, I have heard that you have to re calibrate those once a week they suck so bad. If it has a probe for the humidity do the towel wrap thing and see if it reads 100%, it should after an hour in a wet towel.

Wrap that thing in a wet towel or rag for an hour, whatever it reads when you unwrap it an hour later, consider that 100% humidity or calibrate it to 100% if you can calibrate it. Mine is off by about 10% and has no way to calibrate, so I consider 90% RH 100%RH, it wont go any higher than 90% no matter how long I have it wrapped in a wet towel. It sits at about 88% in my SGFC so I figure I am at least close to 98%.

P.S. mine was brand new too, the only ones that I have heard of that are close to 100% accurate cost hundreds of dollars.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14042956 - 02/28/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If the digital one gives you problems send it back and get one of these, it has all good reviews, I wish I had gotten this one but I couldn't afford it at the time.

http://www.weatherinstruments.com/hygrometers/analog-hygrometers/chaney12inchthermometerwithhygrometer.cfm#ReviewHeader


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14043372 - 02/28/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You really think it's fae even though I had 4 holes open with no poly? That wouldn't have been enough air exchange? I didn't fan it when the holes were open but there was a fan in th room. Now that I filled the holes with poly I'm fannin 4 times a day


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14043538 - 02/28/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I still say get rid of the bubble wrap, use a clear window, get the lights as close to the window as possible without heating it up, make sure all your lights are 6500k(one on left looks like a warm white which isn't good), and make sure that you don't over mist. Fanning and holes with polyfil should be enough FAE, just my opinion though.

Its not the amount of light, (although more is better to an extent) that triggers pinning its the spectrum, those bubbles look like they reflect an awful lot of light in your pics. If all your bulbs are 6500k and you had a clear window to put the lights right up next to I think they would get allot more of the light that they need. IMHO, I am no expert by all means.


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14047447 - 03/01/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

fanned 4 times yesterday..only misted once..still the correct humidity..but still no growth does it take a while for the new fae effects and everything to kick in..or am i just faaaacked? haha


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    #14048071 - 03/01/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

also..do you think dunking would help?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14048708 - 03/01/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would do a 4hr dunk then put it back into fruiting and neglect it cus with all the adjustments you have been trying your just changing things and causing your myc to keep adapting to your changes and its not wanting to fruit.

the dunk and then neglect will "reset" things and allow fruiting to take place. :thumbup:

by neglect I mean no messing with poly or misting or fanning,  set it and forget it. :grin:


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    #14048723 - 03/01/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok! should I put all the poly in? or none or half?


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Re: Primordia won´t pin...stagnant for 4 days [Re: chrisurbs2008]
    #14048743 - 03/01/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd put it in, but loosely & leave one hole completely open...

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    #14048895 - 03/01/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok will dunk tonight and update you guys of the status, pics,  everything


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