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2ndChancesRDivine
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#15131601 - 09/25/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: RC threads get moved to ODD because there is the possibility of OD and death. PE allows dosage advice for traditional psychedelics, ODD does not allow dosage advice under any circumstances.
You are aware that it's possible to go to ODD and ask your questions or search for your information without clicking on threads that aren't relevant/don't interest you, right?
Saying someone will start shooting dope or something simply because they visit ODD is ridiculous. Quit fucking judging people you've never even bothered to get to know. You're no better than anyone else.
I'm not judging, I'm just saying a Psychedelic experience is a psychedelic experience, and psychedelic discussion shouldn't be lumped in with your guy's unending quest to get fucked up.
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Midnight_Toker
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine] 1
#15131612 - 09/25/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man what's your problem? "My drug is better than your drug!!!"
You're acting like a child, firing personal attacks at every turn.
I gave you the reason why RC threads get moved to ODD in my previous post. It's the same reason that the Mods clearly state when they do so.
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Midnight_Toker
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
#15131633 - 09/25/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're not judging? Read your last 4-5 posts man. I haven't been in a single argument for the year I've been on this site, but your take on things just rubs me the wrong way.
You don't even seem to realize how judgmental you really are. When you decide to let go of the unhealthy views you hold, you'll realize how much they've held you back, and how much more you'll be able to grow.
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EvolveShrooms
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#15131672 - 09/25/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm all for this change! lets see to it that it happens
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2ndChancesRDivine
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#15131691 - 09/25/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your the one not getting it. I'm talking about a psychedelic experience. You're completely missing the point, and you obviously can't comprehend the difference. Every drug has their place, and psychedelic experiences shouldn't be lumped in with those who want to talk about doing a bunch of blow, or threads "geared towards serious addicts," or posts saying, "ok, I'm a junky now".
If you want to call me a drug snob, fine. I don't care. But even though there is little known about these RC's they still initiate a psychedelic experience, regardless of whether they are safe to do in higher doses OR NOT, and I think that the point of TPE is to talk about those experiences.
And I'm not firing personal attacks (well I got kind of personal with beanhead), I'm just stating the facts. If you think what I'm saying is personal you should turn around and take a good look at yourself and decide why you're taking it personally.
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BothHands
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
#15131756 - 09/25/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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VizualDistorshon said:
Btw, it is spelled nil (as in nothing) not nihil
 
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Beanhead
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#15131801 - 09/25/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you had any reading comprehension at all you'd notice we were discussing where the RC's should go, certainly it would make sense that "it" revolves around these RC's. I rather stay true to the objective and scientific side towards drugs instead of your fairy tales.
take some more psychedelics 
Anyhow if you think my drug usage has interfered with my brain and left me belligerent please do read my journal.
My apologies, English is my third language thanks for pointing it out anyhow!
Edited by Beanhead (09/25/11 11:51 AM)
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15131869 - 09/25/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lets bring this thread back on topic shall we?
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2ndChancesRDivine
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15131933 - 09/25/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So kindly explain to me what exactly it is that I'm talking about that can be construed as a fairy tale? Wanting 4- and 5- position tryptamines and substituted psychedelic phenethylamines a part of TPE? That seems like a farce to you?
Oh, and your journal? TL;DR but it seems well written and thoughtfully put together.
Just to clear the air, I haven't taken any psychedelics in at least a month (the last one being 2C-E), Unless you consider MXE a psychedelic, but I don't since I know it is classified as a dissociative. I also have a prescription for diazepam, and I have a been using kratom, as well as piracetam and aniracetam (with a choline supplement) just so we ALL know I'm not being a drug snob here, and that I do my fair share of other substances.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#15131938 - 09/25/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Personally i think the people that post in ODD have years more experience with all substances. Also, comparing drugs and trying to define which is psychedelic and which is stimulant/downer is a gray subject.
Take meth for example. Most would say there is no way that this is a psychedelic. But stay up three days on meth and you will learn what real hallucinations are all about.
Rc vs known drugs seem like the difference between underground and mainstream. When and where does it cease to become a research chemical?
wiki psychedelic: A psychedelic experience is characterized by the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ostensibly ordinary fetters. Psychedelic states are an array of experiences elicited by various techniques, including sensory stimulation, sensory deprivation as well as by psychedelic substances. Such experiences include hallucinations, changes of perception, synesthesia, altered states of awareness, mystical states, and occasionally states resembling psychosis
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Beanhead
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#15131976 - 09/25/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you'd just stay awake for three days you'd have the same visuals, sleep deprivation is no joke.
Visual let's move on
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Beanhead
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15132045 - 09/25/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyhow back on topic, lets keep our options open. The mods do read these threads right?
When it's a trip report or discussing the actual psychedelic experience it could be left here, when we want to be more specific revolving pharmacological profile, harm reduction and general scientific research done behind it, it could go to ODD.
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BothHands
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15132057 - 09/25/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or we could make a rule in TPE that says "dosage advice is only allowed for ____, ____, and ____."
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15132069 - 09/25/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a difference...paranoia level rises with the speed in ur body in turn elevating the level of psychosis. Auditory,visual, delusional beliefs, also many other types of psychosis are all present.
My argument is that defining a psychedelic experience as something that can only be had by mainstream LSD,shroom style drugs is narrow minded.
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Beanhead
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#15132167 - 09/25/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shadow people and milky white clouds is where it's at yo!
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2ndChancesRDivine
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
#15132726 - 09/25/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think there is a difference from an amphetamine psychotic episode and a psychedelic experience.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#15132822 - 09/25/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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BothHands said: Or we could make a rule in TPE that says "dosage advice is only allowed for ____, ____, and ____."
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FlashLightning
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Adolin]
#15133060 - 09/25/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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you have good points about psychedelic...but i thought everyone understood that psychedelic chemicals are only subjected to the ones that work on 5ht2 receptors and have cross tolerance with one another. meth and crack may trip you out and give you by definition a psychedelic experience, but they will never be considered a true psychedelic unless they share that realm of tryptamine indoleamine and phenethylamine...
i think that the way they have it now is great. all the soft drugs that are pretty much impossible to od on leave open to the public and keep the stuff you can die from in the odd
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dshow
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: FlashLightning]
#15133095 - 09/25/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Screw it. Ill keep my RC posts in ODD. In that forum i get great responses and tons of real factual advice.
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abltsandwich
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#15133479 - 09/25/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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BothHands said: The problem with sources is that it leads to good reviews for sources. And the sponsors don't much like that. Shroomery needs money to stay online, and they need their sponsors to be happy in order to do that.
Last I checked we didn't have any RC vendors as sponsors though, so I don't know why they would get butt hurt about it.
And how about this, instead of reviews, we could have a "Recommended" or "Not Recommended" system. Have a white list and black list of sorts. We don't even need the white list, we could just have a sticky black list of known scam sites or ones that sell bunk shit. So many ways this could be done and still keep sponsors.
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