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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15129216 - 09/24/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously, will you ban him please?


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
    #15129245 - 09/24/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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ifoundwaldo said:
ODD should be for non-psychedelic drugs. (i.e. cocaine, meth, heroin, and so on)
This should be for psychedelic drugs-- RC or not.

:2cents:





I thought this was the case anyways, until about ten minutes ago when I saw all those threads moved. I was confused as fuck


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
    #15129286 - 09/24/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the way I go about making my points. :P I guess I could plan the way to get my point across a bit better.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15129386 - 09/24/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see the harm in RCs having their own subforum with limited access.  I think it should require 3 months AND 100 posts to allow access.  It should be strictly moderated though and I think dosage advice should be explicitly allowed, so that people looking for RC info don't end up overdosing.  It would be hard to have a subforum without being able to discuss sources.  Maybe there could be a sub-subforum for users that have been with Shroomery for 1 year and have at least 500 posts, where source reviews can be posted.  Just a thought.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: abltsandwich]
    #15129402 - 09/24/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The problem with sources is that it leads to good reviews for sources.  And the sponsors don't much like that.  Shroomery needs money to stay online, and they need their sponsors to be happy in order to do that.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands] * 1
    #15129489 - 09/24/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree with the restricted subforum of the psychedelic experience idea.

we should try and keep the rc scene out of sight. only people who have the intelligence to not fuck it up need to know. once it starts becoming more mainstream, the scene will come crashing down. people will take too much and think theyre dieing, and will go to the hospital. once theyre in the hospital, the news will get involved.

look what happened with the jwh blends. people who i would have never imagined even knowing what an RC was started smoking jwh blends when they were being sold in gas stations as incense, and now theres the whole bath salt shit. people know too much. and the dea is catching on.

but some rc's just dont fit in the ODD forum.




Dude, this shit is happening anyways. Less than two weeks ago some dickhead ate what he claimed was a much larger amount of some mushroom he picked with his friend, and they freaked out and put themselves in the hospital. Like just went of their own accord, cause they didnt fucking know any better.To be honest, I'm starting to agree with the people saying these drugs are illegal because they SHOULD be out of reach to MANY.

But more important than that is people getting LEGIT INFORMATION ABOUT THEM! You should be able to do a google search, without membereship and post number and get GOOD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR SAID SUBSTANCES.

That's my official stance and submission. People are going to find and get the drugs anyways, there needs to be information available, like any other drug.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #15129506 - 09/24/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The 25x-nbomes could have a place in this project. They are up and coming research chems with lsd like effects:strokebeard:


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: i like cow poo]
    #15129518 - 09/24/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
The 25x-nbomes could have a place in this project. They are up and coming research chems with lsd like effects:strokebeard:




Except if you take a ten strip of that, you'll likely OD. People should know that.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Azure Essence]
    #15129542 - 09/24/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

25(x)-NBOMe's definitely need some more information behind them. We need to have open discussions about them because they are more likely to be passed off as LSD at festivals. The bunk police are saying that most of the LSD out there now really isn't even LSD. It is 25I-NBOMe. NBOMe's can be made so cheaply (all you need is your chosen 2c-(x) and another substituted benzene (I forget which) under reflux and voila) that they're probably going to be the next acid wave.

This is why I feel it is important to have discussion about other psychedelic compounds. That and to keep discussion away from ODD where people might go from "whats all this about 4-ACO-DMT" to "OMFG I have to try oxycontin!". Seriously. ODD has a way about corrupting you. If you ever take the time to actually read the CA threads, its literally like a junkie support group in there.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15129688 - 09/24/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Bunch of high horsed assholes.

Anyhow I think the PE should stay as it is, this forum is mostly noob-friendly whereas there is some actual discussion going on in ODD.

I think RC's should go in ODD mainly because there isn't much known yet about their pharmacological profile.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
    #15129721 - 09/24/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
Bunch of high horsed assholes.

Anyhow I think the PE should stay as it is, this forum is mostly noob-friendly whereas there is some actual discussion going on in ODD.

I think RC's should go in ODD mainly because there isn't much known yet about their pharmacological profile.




But we certainly know they are psychedelic, no one would argue that fact.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
    #15129731 - 09/24/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
Bunch of high horsed assholes.

Anyhow I think the PE should stay as it is, this forum is mostly noob-friendly whereas there is some actual discussion going on in ODD.





You mean about whether or not someone is going to "cave in" and go score some dope? Or, how much drugs they're doing, or how much they hate themselves for being addicted to (insert name of drug)? Or how they're going to drink Poppy Seed Tea so they can at least stave off the impending W/D's?

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I think RC's should go in ODD mainly because there isn't much known yet about their pharmacological profile.




I disagree, while we may not know much about their pharmacological profile. They still initiate a psychedelic experience. The experience is what needs to be addressed not the potential adverse effects.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15129739 - 09/24/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I would also like to note that I posted this thread here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15129281

in the Website Announcements and Feedback section. You can go show your support or opposition there as well. Hopefully it will come to the attention of the administrators.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15130216 - 09/25/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

a psychedelic experience is a psychedelic experience, no matter what caused it. some/other drugs just make you feel good (coke, heroin) but dont give you the experience that psychedelics do.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: jamminshaman]
    #15130269 - 09/25/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'd also like to point out there are 2 music threads, a pipe thread, a thread on 'society...', a movie thread, an ISCP thread, a thread on dreams, and a Level 99 Mage Reiki Master dealing with cosmic demons and planet healing, on just the first two pages

Shirley, a 2CB or 4Aco thread has just as much if not more than those other threads to do with the psychedelic experience.

Unless that sheriff wants to pony up and REALLY start moving the threads...


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Azure Essence]
    #15130304 - 09/25/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Srsly.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15130770 - 09/25/11 05:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Beanhead said:
Bunch of high horsed assholes.

Anyhow I think the PE should stay as it is, this forum is mostly noob-friendly whereas there is some actual discussion going on in ODD.





You mean about whether or not someone is going to "cave in" and go score some dope? Or, how much drugs they're doing, or how much they hate themselves for being addicted to (insert name of drug)? Or how they're going to drink Poppy Seed Tea so they can at least stave off the impending W/D's?

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I think RC's should go in ODD mainly because there isn't much known yet about their pharmacological profile.




I disagree, while we may not know much about their pharmacological profile. They still initiate a psychedelic experience. The experience is what needs to be addressed not the potential adverse effects.




Because talking about spirituality and taking LSD and the whole lot being happy acquiring this or that psychedelic, what are good shrooms to eat for a noob, DMT and aliens :rolleyes:. Prejudiced and judgemental, the psychedelic experience has taught you nihil. Boohoo for the bad people out there taking opiates!

You're right, when some of you die taking it you can talk about the experience here and i'll laugh my ass off.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
    #15131444 - 09/25/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

A subforum that you have to have a certain amount of posts to view would be decent. A lot of these RC's aren't so bad and their experiences are very psychedelic and worth not being lumped in with heroin. The law likes to lump psychedelics with hard drugs but we don't have to. If we're going to have a GRAS list the MDXX compounds and 4-HO-DiPT should be on it as well. Basic tryptamines, 4 and 5 substituted tryptamines, the 2C's, MDXX's and mescaline derivatives belong in the psychedelic experience in my opinion. Other substituted amphetamines and the NBOMe series frighten me but they are arguably psychedelic as well so I don't know.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #15131505 - 09/25/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

RC threads get moved to ODD because there is the possibility of OD and death.  PE allows dosage advice for traditional psychedelics, ODD does not allow dosage advice under any circumstances.

You are aware that it's possible to go to ODD and ask your questions or search for your information without clicking on threads that aren't relevant/don't interest you, right?

Saying someone will start shooting dope or something simply because they visit ODD is ridiculous.  Quit fucking judging people you've never even bothered to get to know.  You're no better than anyone else.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Beanhead]
    #15131576 - 09/25/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Apparently you're the one who hasn't been taught anything. Your argument is completely unsound.

Btw, it is spelled nil (as in nothing) not nihil, and this sentence:
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You're right, when some of you die taking it you can talk about the experience here and i'll laugh my ass off.




What exactly is "it" that you're taking about? Maybe if you got off of the GHB, opiates and amphetamines long enough to unscramble your brain you'd be able to form a complete coherent sentence with a topic we can understand instead of making us guess what "it" is.

Plus, I'll bet that there are more casualties from the opiates, benzos, and stimulants that are discussed in ODD than there are from the psychedelics.

We've got a few from the 2c's some AMT's, DOB's and BRDF's. (Other casualties result from the decision to do stupid things, like walk out in traffic, or think you can fly and jump off of buildings, but LSD and mushrooms can both instigate a mindset and have had people do things such as that.)

How many times has someone been found dead with the needle still in their arm? Or what about the times someone has died from respiratory failure from popping too many prescription pills? I hope you see my point.

Either way, a psychedelic experience IS A PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE.


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