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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029311 - 02/26/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
    #14029367 - 02/26/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think the Psychedelic Experience should have to do with the actual experience you have, so RC's could make it in depending on the topic.  If it was about the nature of the experience then they could stay but asking for advise on taking it and stuff of that nature should be directed to ODD.  (so like 2C-x's, 25c-NBOME, DOx, psilocin analouges, etc. could stay depending on topic, but think like mephedrone, methylone, tiletamine, methoxetamine, phenazepam, etc. would be ODD for sure.)


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: mattritt]
    #14029412 - 02/26/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What if someone writes a moving trip report on his cat needing to undergo a vasectomy and him taking Ketamine along with his kitty to provide him spiritual support from the shared dissociative space while they chop his nuts?

Definitely a psychedelic experience. And a psychedelic experience had by ketamine is no less valid than one had with shrooms - but the drug itself carries a whole lot of issues perhaps better reserved for ODD.

(Yes the vet uses ketamine for cat anesthesia)


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029499 - 02/26/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I could see ketamine included, but I wouldnt have considered it an RC.  I mentioned other dissassociative RC's as I've yet to read about anyone having psychedelic experiences with them.  But I understand your reasoning.  Maybe any drug with a high potential of abuse?  Or non tryptamine compounds?  But what about MDMA?  Pure MDMA can be quite psychedelic.  So maybe just say RC's can only be discussed if in an actual psychedelic context.  No advise on use.  Or just no RCs.  But that excludes 4-AcO-DMT one of the best psychedelics imho.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: mattritt]
    #14029530 - 02/26/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

being an organic chemist, i think so. i have a whole list of drugs that aren't illeagle yet and easy to make. most are better than meth for a speed high. one i have is identical to LSD. i wont post though because even though i have a masters degree in organic chemistry- IM A NOOB so i must be ignorant.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: mattritt]
    #14029538 - 02/26/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

To me it makes no pharmacological sense to exclude 4-AcO-DMT, if orally ingested its a prodrug to psilocin, just like aspirin is a prodrug to salicylic acid and heroin is a prodrug to morphine when taken orally.

Take 4-AcO-DMT orally and you'll get high on 4-HO-DMT, psilocin.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: mattritt]
    #14029545 - 02/26/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My thoughts on this...

If the substance gives a Psychedelic Experience, then it should be in the fourm, if it does give u a Psychedelic Experience then off to ODD ....


many RC's give a Psychedelic Experience :thumbup:


Plus the ODD is full of addicts, i try to stay out of there


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: P-O]
    #14029548 - 02/26/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So does ether. What about the psychedelic journey through memories and fantasies, with visuals almost tangibly present, when shooting heroin?


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029592 - 02/26/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you had a "Psychedelic Experience" then it should be posted here...


but for the most part Inhalants and heroin should stay in ODD.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: P-O]
    #14029638 - 02/26/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

See, so some sort of selection is desirable. Then, where precisely do you cut it?

Huffing Duster we don't want..

But how about DOB were 3mg has you tripping balls but double that may land you in the ER?

And how about 2C-T-7 where 35mg orally has some people tripping out quite nicely, others get no effect at all and one guy died when he sniffed that same amount up his nostrils?

Choices, choices...


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029655 - 02/26/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just make me a mod, and ill keep this fourm clean :hi5: ..


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029670 - 02/26/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How is DOB not psychedelic?

Why not just include all of TiHKaL and PiHKAL and make your life easier...


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029685 - 02/26/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Some requirements to be on that list:

--lots of human experimentation spanning more than a decade and preferentially therapeutic use having been made of the drug
--apparently benign side effects profile with no strikingly unusual features
--overdose risks no worse than those of Mescaline (a threefold OD, calculated as 3x a maximum Shulgin dose, shouldnt be acutely life threatening to the majority of people)
--generic psychedelic effects, no novel actions such as strong stimulation or sedation, atypical psychedelia
--no abuse issues attributable to the drug action, such a fiending or a tendency to binge behavior




This sounds pretty solid, but I also like the idea that somebody could post a trip report of a substance not suitable for the PE, so long as it isn't a discussion pertaining to it, just a report on the effects.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14029686 - 02/26/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is DOB not psychedelic?




Nobody said that, but with DOB the effective dose and the dose that gives a lot of people health issues are close together.

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Why not just include all of TiHKaL and PiHKAL and make your life easier...




And include drugs like PMA? I don't mind a little difficulty, if it helps create a better, safer Shroomery.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029697 - 02/26/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is DOB not psychedelic?




Nobody said that, but with DOB the effective dose and the dose that gives a lot of people health issues are close together.

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Why not just include all of TiHKaL and PiHKAL and make your life easier...




And include drugs like PMA? I don't mind a little difficulty, if it helps create a better, safer Shroomery.




With the Internet these days, people can research their doses and measure them out carefully.
I mean... I assume that someone getting their hands on DOB knows to be careful with it.

Anyhow...
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Some requirements to be on that list:

--lots of human experimentation spanning more than a decade and preferentially therapeutic use having been made of the drug
--apparently benign side effects profile with no strikingly unusual features
--overdose risks no worse than those of Mescaline (a threefold OD, calculated as 3x a maximum Shulgin dose, shouldnt be acutely life threatening to the majority of people)
--generic psychedelic effects, no novel actions such as strong stimulation or sedation, atypical psychedelia
--no abuse issues attributable to the drug action, such a fiending or a tendency to binge behavior





None of these are requirements for being a psychedelic... So why should they be a requirement to be in the Psychedelic experience?


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14029698 - 02/26/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody said that, but with DOB the effective dose and the dose that gives a lot of people health issues are close together.




I think if someone orders a RC and intend to ingest it, they prob are aware of the dangers .  Especially ones like DOB




but to keep Chems like 4-AcO-DMT outta here, is a shame.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14029752 - 02/26/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
I think psychedelic experience should include all psychedelic drugs.




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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Humility]
    #14030238 - 02/26/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with what Wiccan has said thus far.

Remember people, these rules are in place to ensure this site stays available for us all.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: phxBoomer]
    #14030319 - 02/26/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My question is, with weed allowed in PE, what about JWH's, CP's, WIN's and other synthetic cannabinoid compounds?
More on topic though, Id agree with the list you put out, WS.
EDIT:
And I forgot about MDA.  Its definitely psychedelic.


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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
    #14030391 - 02/26/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it is wrong to say that dissociatives are not a type of psychedelic. Sometimes they're actually much more psychedelic than some 5-ht2a substances.

Anyway I'm fine with the rules. People just need to grow some balls and start posting in ODD. Why does it matter that people in there use drugs you don't like? When you make a thread about psychedelics, psychedelics get talked about.


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