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Asante
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Should we allow (some) Research Chemicals into The Psychedelic Experience? If yes, which ones & why?
#14026324 - 02/25/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just moved 8 threads from the front page to Other Drugs Discussion, and one, about pills, had to be deleted. Please remember:
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Welcome to The Psychedelic Experience! 
This forum is designed for questions and discussions about Psychedelic Mushrooms and the following other psychedelics: LSD, Mescaline, DMT, Ayahuasca, LSA(Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose), Marijuana and Salvia.
Questions and discussions about other drugs are not allowed in this forum.
If your topic is about other drugs than these it should go to our:
Other Drugs Discussion forum (ODD)
O.D.D. has our friendly resident experts (and deranged addicts) and other experts in the field of Other Drugs.
Don't have access yet? Write some more quality posts, wait some more days and you'll be let in automatically.
Thank you, have a nice day
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Edited by Asante (02/26/11 08:23 AM)
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
#14026446 - 02/25/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker, you're making this forum sick n' weaker .
Just messing around, I know you didn't make the rules. I do wonder though when certain psychedelics will be considered safe enough to be posted here. Recently 5-meo-dmt was moved to ODD because it has overdose potential.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Moo456]
#14026516 - 02/25/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think those like 2CE and such should be allowed. They are very deep, way deeper than LSA.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14026553 - 02/25/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ODD should be for non-psychedelic drugs. (i.e. cocaine, meth, heroin, and so on) This should be for psychedelic drugs-- RC or not.
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Edited by ifoundwaldo (02/25/11 05:12 PM)
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14026580 - 02/25/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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other drugs discussion should go in the the other drugs forum
psychedelics discussion belongs in the psychedelic experience.
not down there.
2c-e is most certainly a psychedelic.
im disgusted by the fact that my thread got put in ODD. look at what it has been clumped together with.
count the threads about opiate addiction on the first page. count the threads involving "can i use x drug to get super fucked up" or "how can i bypass the time release". count the threads that mention depression and feeling like shit when the poster doesnt have their drug of choice. did i forget to mention the threads where people talk about a HUMAN LIFE BEING LOST?
does any of this sound like what is experienced on 2c-e?
count the threads in the psychedelic experience that mention love, a feeling of rebirth, being content with life even though the poster may be down on their luck, experiences that transcend regular human thought.
which forum section has more similar threads to threads like my 2c-e thread?
thats the forum that the 2c-e thread belongs in.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14026727 - 02/25/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, you were mainly talking about swirly things. 
But I agree that that's a lot better than talking about heroin, shooting up, snorting oxy, friends dying, etc.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14026810 - 02/25/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: Well, you were mainly talking about swirly things. 
But I agree that that's a lot better than talking about heroin, shooting up, snorting oxy, friends dying, etc. 
well, i could have written a really in depth trip report involving every revelation i had.
but nobody would read that post.
that would have been "tl;dr" for even me.
i tripped pretty hard for about 12 hours.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14027020 - 02/25/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said:
im disgusted by the fact that my thread got put in ODD. look at what it has been clumped together with.
Yeah. Gotta agree with this...the tenor of the ODD forum is inconsistent with the OP's 2-CE thread. Seems better suited to the Psychedelic Experience forum.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Nature Boy]
#14027031 - 02/25/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think psychedelic experience should include all psychedelic drugs.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14027033 - 02/25/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: ODD should be for non-psychedelic drugs. (i.e. cocaine, meth, heroin, and so on) This should be for psychedelic drugs-- RC or not.

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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: drr]
#14027883 - 02/25/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Agreed. What reason could there be for putting 2Cx and DXM threads in ODD? It's not any more illegal than LSD or mushrooms, in fact they're ambiguously legal.
Psychedelic drugs are drugs that make you trip. The fact that dxm ketamine the 2c's and so on aren't similar to more common drugs doesn't make them any less psychedelic.
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The term psychedelic is derived from the Greek words ψυχή (psyche, "soul") and δηλοῦν (deloun, "to manifest"), translating to "soul-manifesting". A psychedelic experience is characterized by the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ostensibly ordinary fetters. Psychedelic states are an array of experiences elicited by various techniques, including sensory stimulation, sensory deprivation as well as by psychedelic substances. Such experiences include hallucinations, changes of perception, synesthesia, altered states of awareness, mystical states, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.
As I was making this post, which I still agree with, I realized that the reason they don't want these threads in TPE is because threads from TPE go on the front page and they don't want threads on the front page that talk about drugs that could be dangerous. While I understand this, I think putting discussion about these threads destroys any chance of them having the kind of quality discussion you can get in TPE.
Maybe there should be a sub forum? "Atypical Psychedelics" or something
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Asante
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14029099 - 02/26/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have started a discussion among the staff to let SOME but not ALL, research chemicals into the Psychedelic Experience forum.
I spent thought on the issue and took over an hour to crank out a quality post which among thing proposes a GRAS list of RC's I feel have earned the right to be in PE, with added discussion on every RC why it should be inclused.
As one of only very few phenethylamines, 2CE would make that list.
Some requirements to be on that list:
--lots of human experimentation spanning more than a decade and preferentially therapeutic use having been made of the drug --apparently benign side effects profile with no strikingly unusual features --overdose risks no worse than those of Mescaline (a threefold OD, calculated as 3x a maximum Shulgin dose, shouldnt be acutely life threatening to the majority of people) --generic psychedelic effects, no novel actions such as strong stimulation or sedation, atypical psychedelia --no abuse issues attributable to the drug action, such a fiending or a tendency to binge behavior
Three definitely on my list: -- 4-AcO-DMT (Psilacetin) -- 2C-E (Europa) -- DPT (Holy Ghost)
Three definitely NOT on my list: -- 4-MMC (Mephedrone) -- MDPV (3,4-Methylenedioxypyrovalerone) -- DOB (Brolamfetamine)
Feel free to discuss, it would help.
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Asante
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
#14029262 - 02/26/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What, no one wants to go there?
We have to decide which RC's would be permissible if we are gonna do this, we can't allow them all.

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From the staff discussion, sparing you all the musings, heres my proposal of the ones that I feel aught to be permissible in The Psychedelic Experience forum, sparing y'all the many considerations on which to include and which not to include:
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Wiccan's proposed list of GRAS Research Chemicals
DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) MET (Methylethyltryptamine) DET (T-9) DPT (Holy Ghost) 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin) 4-HO-MET (Metocin) 4-HO-DET (CZ-74) 4-AcO-DMT (Psilacetin) 4-AcO-MET (Metoacetin) 4-AcO-DET (Ethacetin) 3,4,5-TMPEA (Mescaline) 2C-B (Nexus) 2C-D (LE-25) 2C-E (Europa) LSD (Lysergide) LAE-32 (N-ethyllysergamide) LSA (Ergine) ALD-52 (Orange Sunshine)
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Edited by Asante (02/26/11 08:28 AM)
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
#14029274 - 02/26/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure...I'll take a stab at it. I think your proposed "filter" as to what should and should not be fodder for TPE forum shows great thoughtfulness, is easy to understand, and has analytic rule-based decision-making that appears even handed.
I approve. 
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: LSDXM]
#14029277 - 02/26/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Krash Kharma said: Agreed. What reason could there be for putting 2Cx and DXM threads in ODD? It's not any more illegal than LSD or mushrooms, in fact they're ambiguously legal.
2C-X is one thing, but DXM isn't even a psychedelic.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Nature Boy]
#14029280 - 02/26/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Sure...I'll take a stab at it. I think your proposed "filter" as to what should and should not be fodder for TPE forum shows great thoughtfulness, is easy to understand, and has analytic rule-based decision-making that appears even handed.
I approve. 
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Btw Wiccan, what does GRAS stand for?
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Force Ten]
#14029283 - 02/26/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#14029285 - 02/26/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Natureboy, I added my personal GRAS list of RC's I think pose an acceptable risk to these criteria to my former post.
BothHands: Excluding DXM is simple:
--The maximum dose commonly recommended is 1.5gr of DXM. What would happen if you took 4.5 grams? --DXM is not a generic serotonergic psychedelic --it is associated with abuse-related effects such as binge behavior and overuse.
To name but three.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: Asante]
#14029288 - 02/26/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's not a psychedelic at all. It's a disassociative. I wasn't suggesting that it should be included in TPE. I was suggesting the exact opposite. If you include DXM, you may as well include ketamine and PCP.
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Re: ACHTUNG: Other Drugs Discussion should go to the Other Drugs Discussion Forum! [Re: BothHands]
#14029302 - 02/26/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know, I'm just ripping into the substance with the list of criteria, to show considerations in the process of approval - I know you didnt want to include it.
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