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Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm!
    #1402589 - 03/23/03 07:00 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

  Hi there! Is there anybody that has any connection with a real big mushroom farm? :smile: I know to do a lot of stuff. I can also learn a great deal! This is a serious request. Thank you in advance!


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a shroomery! [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1402624 - 03/23/03 07:22 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

sure man, come by the local salvation army, thats the public face. just tell them mitchnast sent you, they will give you a urine test, fail it and youre in.
hell, i missed the cup

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1403155 - 03/23/03 11:02 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I have some connections for a mushroom farm here in quebec...  :tongue: 

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: MushMushi]
    #1403460 - 03/23/03 01:03 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

There's one that a buddy of mine was working at a few weeks ago.

He was telling me that he is also taking a hands-on course in commercial mushroom production in the near future. I believe its out west.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: no-tone]
    #1405300 - 03/24/03 06:57 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

perhaps the stamets course, somewhat expensive.. but i'm sure it'll teach him everything he could learn reading TMC... "hands on" ;p


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Raadt]
    #1405312 - 03/24/03 07:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't doubt it.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: no-tone]
    #1405599 - 03/24/03 08:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Though the mushroom industrie is ever growing it pays baddly if you start at the bottom i.e a picker.
I would say the best thing would be to start your own,and try to sell fresh exotic mushrooms to local resteraunts ext.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Paid]
    #1405648 - 03/24/03 09:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

then he needs to invest in a signifigant ammt of equipment, to make it profitable enough to have extra $.

I mean, at least a hood. The contam rates of even peroxidated substrates, is too high for a commercial venture, in my opinion.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Raadt]
    #1405731 - 03/24/03 09:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed but as hes hooked on the hobbie he may well end up buying these things anyway.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Paid]
    #1405775 - 03/24/03 09:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

*sigh* story of my life - LOL


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Raadt]
    #1406917 - 03/24/03 06:34 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Enough with the off topic!  :grin:
Why arent we, the shroomers putting toghether some money and start our own bussines. I think we could earn some good money doing our hobby also. :smile:


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1406942 - 03/24/03 06:54 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Good idea! But how?

I'm on the other side of the world BTW...  :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1407267 - 03/24/03 11:23 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

How? It's not so difficult.At least the guys from the states to decide on a state or even several states to make more shroomeries.
  And here in Europe to decide one or several countries! We can make a big mushroom society!! :smile:  :grin:
  I am thinking of this for a long time. Zeronio, you can pm me and talk more. I really am serious!


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1407275 - 03/24/03 11:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think small mushroom farms, as the ones owned by korean famillies could be a very good goal! :smirk: 

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1407283 - 03/24/03 11:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think you should post this request at the www.mushworld.com forums if you are really serious with this.

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: no-tone]
    #1419708 - 03/31/03 11:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

you know, niggy and i are BOTH from the annapolis valley, and i KNOW personally the people who run the waterville mushroom farm.
also. I was talking to some of the people who run that particular estaablishment about franchising out west.
its just odd you basically described me, and i dont really know you :smile: you must know somebody just like me

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1420086 - 03/31/03 03:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

maybe you have a spit personality

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: shaggymane]
    #1420790 - 03/31/03 11:58 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

LOL. :grin:

Or maybe he's your wife.  :tongue:

Edited by zeronio (03/31/03 11:59 PM)

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1420993 - 04/01/03 02:29 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Or maybe a stocker!!!!!!!!!!!! I remember when this was just called watching people -now they call it stocking, go figure

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: shaggymane]
    #1421431 - 04/01/03 11:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

stalker =)


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Raadt]
    #1421540 - 04/01/03 12:18 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

We are doing it and it is something else.......profitability is elusive and costs are high. It can take several seasons to even stop thinking what a huge mistake you've made. We are just barely hanging on.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1421585 - 04/01/03 02:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Stick with it and i hope it works out :-)
Good luck to you.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1421636 - 04/01/03 03:24 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

But when you truly enjoy it, it's all worthwhile. I'm right behind you on that =)


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1421641 - 04/01/03 03:27 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

What mushroom do you cultivate?

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1422033 - 04/01/03 11:46 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

profitability is elusive and costs are high




I'm also afraid that it's really like that. According to my calculations you can make a living out of it, but it's not something that will make you rich, at least if you're growing oysters or buttons & you buy premade substrate.
If you make your own substrate, grow different (expensive) species or you make spawn for other growers then it might be better.

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1422090 - 04/02/03 12:15 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Shittake, Oysters, Paddy Straws - the "Go gourmet and supply way" is right, because that is what has been most of our income. We have killer deals on sawdust, chips and logs for the grower - all oak, red & white
But really, it's been 2.5 years and we're still looking for our magic formula of what strains we're best with in our area and how to minimize waste and cost. Anyway...point is true - too obsessed with the creatures to stop and was poor anyway when started so - folla ya bliss!
I gotta go - getting them "get off" glares - you know....
Could go on about it though...it just keeps getting cooler. Paddy Straws are cool...


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1422113 - 04/02/03 12:27 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting...
Do you make your own spawn & substrate or do you buy it?

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1422162 - 04/02/03 01:08 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I'm back. Yes - you must make everything possible. We buy straw, the chips and sawdust, logs we cut on the mountain and rye by the 50 lb bag. What is a pain is still hard to afford bags and have to hump it with jars on most. We soap wash, bleach, and hot rinse 5x unless something really bad.
We are a total po boy op - but I don't hink you lose as much on the rough and ready way as people say really. We lose some, but most is real good.
The Oysters we have are actually the Phoenix oysters (pleurotus pulmonaris). The neatest "gimmick" we have learned and going now is oysters fruiting off of colonized toilet paper roll. Not much for bulk but a great kitchen table thing and easy/cheap to set up (.55-1.00 bag, roll of "save" (no perfume) toilet paper and cup of spawn - sell for $10 to help make up for the ones you give away 'cause they're neat)
PS- buttons - market saturated - everybody and their brother - go for the gourmets and medicinals. Buttons ok for personal but kinda messy and too much heavy commercial compet.


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Edited by curenado (04/02/03 01:10 AM)

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1422172 - 04/02/03 01:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Where is the guy looking for the "lazy old hillbillys seek mushroom bum to live in squalor (toolshed) and attempt year round cropping with no real hope of wealth or recognition" ad thing? I can't find it!


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1422187 - 04/02/03 01:35 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Would you tell us more about the machinery you're using? Like what kind of autoclave are you using and how much it cost.
It's quite hard to get information about that, the growers I know are very good at keeping their "secrets". :smirk:

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1422553 - 04/02/03 06:13 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Yeas this is very interesting, and I am very appreciative that some on in the business is speaking candidly. Zeronio is right, the industry growers seem to be a tight lipped bunch. I think, as with any busniess, location is important, and finding a local niche is a must. I would imagine that the best market are the direct ones: Grower to Resturant or Grower to Customer (say at a farmers market). Also, I think it is essential to establish your markets before you plunge into the deal fully and to go slow not taking out huge loans and so on. As far as profitability, gourmets are the only way to go. What I hope to do is a incorporate fungi into an overall small agriculture (vegtable and herbs) scheme, using them not only as food source but as organic matter maker, break crops, livestock food and so on. It is somewhat disheartening to hear the marginanlity of it all, but so many businesses are marginal, that is no change from most small busniess situations.

I would be interested as the to the relative size of your operation, number of grow rooms etc.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: r05c03]
    #1422575 - 04/02/03 06:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I'm only thinking about starting it. I have some friends that are willing to invest money and that think everything is easy. They've seen those few shrooms I've grown at home and they're all for it. I'm a bit sceptic.
They're trying to rent an old & forgotten industrial hall that has 10 rooms sized 19x5x3 meters each. Walls are very thick and it seems that they hold tempearture well.

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: zeronio]
    #1422593 - 04/02/03 07:05 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I plan to utilise one room 34' by 12' and have a go at small scale gourmet,
supplying 4 local restaurants to start out and just see were it goes.
I agree button farming would be hard to break into as there are large
farms every were now(u.k)but supper markets are also selling many fresh
gourmet now so even that could be a hard break.The key I'm guressing
is variety, or whats not yet available.Great to here there are a few of us here
with plans and idears :grin: i wish you all the best of luck in any future and
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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Paid]
    #1422611 - 04/02/03 07:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If it were me,
I'd go with solely medicinals (reishi, cordyceps, etc....) if there was any hope of profit......
logs are cheap, and magic health tonics should sell to anyone for $$

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1422860 - 04/02/03 10:22 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

This guy was going to King's Tech doing plant technician. You may know him...

Maybe we should hook up sometime to discuss things and maybe go searching in the fall. I've heard the valley has ridiculous amounts of Libs all over the place.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: no-tone]
    #1424097 - 04/02/03 06:46 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

We're still using the large canners! $4,000.00 for autoclave is awful lot of mushrooms to sell..... We're nowhere near ready to pay for one even though we could use it badly - more for load size than sterility though. You clean, room clean, jars clean most important in our experience.
Flammulina Velutipes is one that requires special cropping conditions and sells for a good price on the market - hard to come by and medicinal joy. A guy who studied that up and worked it might be ahead of the game a little. There is also "purple" reishi (ganoderma oregonense i think?) that is currently hot in medicine. The Agaricus Blazei (they call it something different now..see fungiperfecti.com) is a new hot medicinal too. OK - I'll be back - gotta go watch mod sqaud with donna....you know :smile:


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1425961 - 04/03/03 11:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Currently I am starting small and cheap, testing the market. I think that the small time asian model system will work well for market garden situations and perhaps also for resturant sales (from time to time). However, if you want to pump out any kind of mushroom week after week in any kind of quantity you are looking at a large investment, I would think 50k minimum


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: r05c03]
    #1490922 - 04/24/03 07:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't find this thread again for awhile....
I guess what you may not have in cash you must be prepared to make up for in elbow grease and ingenuity.
I suggest starting with basic home equipment and a species you can work with. You may not start with all the bells and whistles but you can be well on your way.
Also - if you do crop medicinals as a small guy please contact me - we use them in the clinic and look for other market opportunities. We grow to use/distribute and only sell about half our totals in the end to carry on.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1492195 - 04/25/03 07:03 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you. Starting small is the way to go. You can be sure that you have interested markets before you take that next BIG step. I would love to hear more about your operation, and I am interested in the clinic that you work with / for. What kind of community stuff do you do?



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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: r05c03]
    #1494373 - 04/25/03 08:49 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

It's not too elaborate - but one day.....(sigh)
It's really just a matter of our circumstance. You have to have a theologist, agriculturalist and doctor to operate a monastery. Different titles in different places but basic scheme. In our States in the U.S. Church members can choose Church care. It's their constitutional right. We live exclusively on Church grounds and therefor people are in a sort of "special territory" that is supposed to look more like an old general store with a kitchen - a sharing place, that's why people go. We are a complete inner community that just shares with others that visit. So that is why we must have the school and clinic and that is something more people seem to be turning on to.
But it isn't any different for any U.S. citizens anywhere. The idea that you have to have 60 post grad credits and full blown care to use mycomedicals is goofy - they're nothing more than good food. Anyone can access resources to learn and people are encouraged to do grass roots community by the Government through all those deductions you can take. I also believe that your "Business" is just a hobby until you make at least ten thousand dollars in a year and if you do that - start advising us!
But you need no tax number, special permits or liscense to produce, educate about and sell mushrooms.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: curenado]
    #1494397 - 04/25/03 09:07 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just now getting into this forum because the opportunity to become a commercial farmer has arised for me. Curenado, what state are you operating in? I'm going to be working in western NC. I think I am going to start with shiitakes and diversify from there. I am taking a crash course on this. GGMM, mushworld, and here will be my only sources of information until i can establish communication with the local university.

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: debianlinux]
    #1494492 - 04/25/03 10:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

We are in Arkansas and have some spot sales in MO. I think you have some good sources. The Mushroom Cultivator is most of your basic tech and params for several species, shittake, paddy straw, no ports in there tough...


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: BlueWizard]
    #1495550 - 04/26/03 10:11 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

<<I think that the small time asian model system will work well for market garden situations and perhaps also for resturant sales>>
Asian farmer models are typically really good - there is a mycology group at yahoo which is entirely commercial-university-conference oriented and cutting edge. We are tiny little peanuts in a birdhouse! Check out this group and for you medicinal growers the Yahoo group Phytomedica.

www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mycology

www.groups.yahoo.com/group/phytomedica


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: BlueWizard]
    #1496678 - 04/26/03 07:49 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The Mushroom Cultivator is most of your basic tech



thankfully i have this tome practically memorized. do you guys make your own spawn plugs? funny thing, after mentioning this I have people PMing me wanting to work on a farm that doesn't even exist yet. I can't wait to meet some of you guys!

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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: debianlinux]
    #1496903 - 04/26/03 09:52 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If you have not seen or heard of this book, or have and have not checked it out yet, try to get your hands on: Mushroom Cultivation with Special Emphasis on appropriate techniques for developing countries. It has a wealth of information for early stage growers.


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Re: Hard working guy searching for a job at a mushroom farm! [Re: r05c03]
    #1500347 - 04/28/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Sawdust/chip spawns - one of our strong legs is friendly sawmill at bottom of the mountain.....
BTW - r05c03 - saw this thread....You are asking us how to do? Great pres. & pics!

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum13&Number=1500336&page=0&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=&PHPSESSID=


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