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Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY?
#14025289 - 02/25/11 12:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iran's leaders and a large percentage of Iranians seem opposed to the dealings of Americans and Israelis, around the globe, particularly when they inflict changes to the Muslim countries.
Chants saying death to america, threats to Israels sovereignty, reports that may or may not implicate IRAN in aiding terrorism and a constitution wrought with anit-soveriegn, anti-democratic rule of the citizenry and a government that kills on behalf of protests, calling for the detention of opposition leaders - can these things describe IRAN?
I think most do, particularly the constitutional/protest violence/death to america and anti-israel chants/speeches.
In the last three years Israel has threatened that it will perform a military strike against their nuclear facilities.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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If you can please post the reasoning behind your vote. Please do so, I want to know as much as i can about this subject.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14025389 - 02/25/11 12:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, please
why go to war now? people have been saying forever that iran is a country with nuclear capacity
honestly all these countries with nuclear capacity are retards worst than hitler, if one person fires a nuke and destroys a city area with 500,000 people or more, it threatens a global thermonuclear war. there'd be more people dead than world war 2. shiit. and the fallout could blanket the planet and kill off more people, especially if it falls deep into the soil, making it so plants can't grow.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: imachavel]
#14025405 - 02/25/11 01:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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i voted no.
why? just click this link please. http://costofwar.com/en/
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I don't think it's gonna happen. Iranians chanting "Death to America" and Americans saying, "Lets invade Iran" are the same thing anyway.
Neither country can afford that war and I don't think either one really wants it to happen in the first place, aside from the war loving extremists on both sides, who both use off-the-wall individuals as examples of the general populous.
Big fucking whoop if they build a nuke. It's a penis contest, North Korea is the same situation.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
#14026113 - 02/25/11 03:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nay. The Iranian leader is right about what he says about Israel and The U.S.A.
Instead of bombing him for speaking the truth in spite of Israels hard core deception, we should instead face it and make appropriate measures.
Israel had the nukes, Israel makes the threats, Israel refuses inspections and the NPT.
If the USA would re-think it's unyielding support for Israel, the eastern world would look at it in a better light.
So much of the geo-political and financial concerns in the western world are directly related to it's support of Israel.
Israel is causing trouble for the U.S.A., not the guy truthfully pointing it out. Instead of walking out in Iran in every UN conference, The USA should stop licking Israeli boots and heed ahnmedinejad's words.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
#14026117 - 02/25/11 03:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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i voted no..but that doesnt mean i wont happen...in fact i can see a perfect storm brewing that could easily result not only in a war against iran.. but a large-scale military adventure to seize all the remaining oil in the mideast (and possibly elsewhere too)..including countries that are currently US allies...
the elements in this storm are familiar ..inflated gas prices.. unsated vengefulness from 9/11.. and the inevitable return to power of the bolton-cheney crowd..with a heavily repugnican koch whore congress to boot...
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
#14026141 - 02/25/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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of course not. it's insane that this is even being debated.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
#14026189 - 02/25/11 04:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's obvious that Iran is vilified in the media for no other reason than; it opposes Israel/US military colonialism, and speaks out about it in intellectual forums.
I would love to see Ahmadinejad utterly ruin Obama in a debate, But in typical pro-Israeli fashion the USA completely flees rational debate and instead lays on the media and political coercion and trickery.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
#14026256 - 02/25/11 04:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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it sounds crazy right now.. but it wont sound crazy at all if the hard right captures the POTUS and both houses of congress...
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14026269 - 02/25/11 04:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What trouble does Israel cause that isn't 100% simply due to the fact that it exists and scumbags all over the world hate Jews for breathing? Like you.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14026351 - 02/25/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iran = paper tiger
Destroying Israel is a masturbation fantasy for some people (see above) that some people seem to have. No need for a U.S. led invasion, that would be foolish. If Israel is posed any threat with a bomb by Iran or its proxies all you have to do is give Israel the green light and Iran is finished. Most Arab countries leadership are wary of Iran and would not interfere with Israel.
Iran's Attoylahs will fall on their own in a few years. Their leadership is fucked, as of right now they are paranoid about their power and will only use attacking Israel to foster support for those persians and Arabs who are still bitter about a Jewish state.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14026366 - 02/25/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, for one, now some scumbags don't only hate jews, but the USA now too by proxy.
not good for USA
some "Scumbags" try to respect the civil rights of other breathing people in the middle east.
some Scumbags feel bad and resentful when their families are killed as a result of western and Israeli expansionism and supremicism.
In the end, it's just going to mean that more "scumbags" start getting desperate and extreme in reaction.
The problem will grow, it can't just be squashed out, it needs to be addressed and acknowledged at the core by all parties and solved through rational discussion and debate.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins] 1
#14026433 - 02/25/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I should adjust my view of justice because scumbags don't like it? Not happening.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14026455 - 02/25/11 04:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should respect a higher justice than just your own.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14026477 - 02/25/11 04:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I voted 'need more info' because I think there are situations where invasion would be warranted, but I don't think we've exhausted our options at this point. Right now I don't think we can afford another overseas war. $410,000,000 per day for Iraq and Afghanistan and I heard a rumor that the U.S. was financially unsound! Also, sanctions are working. They may not be working perfectly, but they have isolated Iran and are helping put pressure on the government. Large sections of the Iranian population are very dissatisfied with the current government. Just look at the failed coup in 2009. Given a chance, another popular revolt might be successful. Iran's neighbors fear and distrust her. Look at the wikileaks documents showing how other Mideast countries feel about Iran. Saudi Arabia wants the U.S. to 'cut the head off the snake'(Iran). Maybe the mideast countries should team up and deal with their local problems themselves. I think the U.S. gets involved often when it shouldn't and makes things worse. Also, most nuclear observers say that Iran is far from being able to produce functional nuclear weapons and no where near being able to reach the U.S. with them. Sure, they might get there some day, but it is actually not that easy.
On the other hand, I know we need access to oil and I am afraid of nukes. I also think Ahmadinejad and the Muslim clerics who run the country are nut cases. So depending on the circumstances I would support a war. I would put it as a last option though.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: nikoD]
#14026481 - 02/25/11 04:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm antizionist and think america's standing would go up in the world if there were not israel, so fuck it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14026492 - 02/25/11 04:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14026596 - 02/25/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that every one of us has a little glimpse and relying only on my own would be unwise if i seek the truest possible view of "god's mind."
The sanctions have actually been somewhat of a boon for Iran because it has encouraged it to develop it's economy at home.
Meanwhile, the USA is spread thin like not enough butter on a toast and is falling apart financially.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: imachavel]
#14027197 - 02/25/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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imachavel said: yes, please
why go to war now? people have been saying forever that iran is a country with nuclear capacity
honestly all these countries with nuclear capacity are retards worst than hitler, if one person fires a nuke and destroys a city area with 500,000 people or more, it threatens a global thermonuclear war. there'd be more people dead than world war 2. shiit. and the fallout could blanket the planet and kill off more people, especially if it falls deep into the soil, making it so plants can't grow.
Yeah nukes scare the crap out of me.
There not much to be done on that front.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
#14027206 - 02/25/11 07:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: I don't think it's gonna happen. Iranians chanting "Death to America" and Americans saying, "Lets invade Iran" are the same thing anyway.
Neither country can afford that war and I don't think either one really wants it to happen in the first place, aside from the war loving extremists on both sides, who both use off-the-wall individuals as examples of the general populous.
Big fucking whoop if they build a nuke. It's a penis contest, North Korea is the same situation.
i don't recall anyone but the extremists wanting a war with iraq and afghanista(maybe a little more)
i disagree, i think we might have a war on our hands.
i also deem iran the worst of 2 fucked up unacceptable phenomena - USA military expansion and islamic based nationalism.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14027235 - 02/25/11 07:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: Nay. The Iranian leader is right about what he says about Israel and The U.S.A.
is he right to kill and maim others who protest against his regime? is he right to call for the arrest of opposition leaders? Even if he is right, i disagree, he is not right. israel doesn't go around saying the iranian regime should be wiped off the history of manking( i know he doesn't mean with brute force, he means politically.) israel doesn't think that homosexuality is unnatural and makes it against the law. israel doesn't say that porno is evil and outlaws it, killing people who propogate such a pleasureable nessecity! i think i agree with you, but there is two sides to this coin, buddy, not all that iran does is modern, its downright repulsive.
Instead of bombing him for speaking the truth in spite of Israels hard core deception, we should instead face it and make appropriate measures.
Israel had the nukes, Israel makes the threats, Israel refuses inspections and the NPT.
If the USA would re-think it's unyielding support for Israel, the eastern world would look at it in a better light.
So much of the geo-political and financial concerns in the western world are directly related to it's support of Israel.
Israel is causing trouble for the U.S.A., not the guy truthfully pointing it out. Instead of walking out in Iran in every UN conference, The USA should stop licking Israeli boots and heed ahnmedinejad's words.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
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Grav said: of course not. it's insane that this is even being debated.
You wonder why people cant take you seriously?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14027264 - 02/25/11 07:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: It's obvious that Iran is vilified in the media for no other reason than; it opposes Israel/US military colonialism, and speaks out about it in intellectual forums.
I would love to see Ahmadinejad utterly ruin Obama in a debate, But in typical pro-Israeli fashion the USA completely flees rational debate and instead lays on the media and political coercion and trickery.
Yeah he would kill him in a debate.

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Ahmajenidude says "in iran, we don't have homosexuals."
Are you muslim?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14027392 - 02/25/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Shins said: It's obvious that Iran is vilified in the media for no other reason than; it opposes Israel/US military colonialism, and speaks out about it in intellectual forums.
I would love to see Ahmadinejad utterly ruin Obama in a debate, But in typical pro-Israeli fashion the USA completely flees rational debate and instead lays on the media and political coercion and trickery.
Yeah he would kill him in a debate.

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Ahmajenidude says "in iran, we don't have homosexuals."
Are you muslim?
nope, are you homosexual?
Rhetorical, but other than a war on homophobia, are there any other better reasons to start bombing the Iranian people?
Ahmedinejad said that the anti-homosexual thing is there because the majority of the population are against homosexuality, thus the attitude is democratic.
There are a lot of other places in the world homosexuals can do their thang, we don't have to go to war with a country because they are anti-homo or anti-zionist. I would be much more interested in discussing and debating why they think that way.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14027749 - 02/25/11 09:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Shins said: It's obvious that Iran is vilified in the media for no other reason than; it opposes Israel/US military colonialism, and speaks out about it in intellectual forums.
I would love to see Ahmadinejad utterly ruin Obama in a debate, But in typical pro-Israeli fashion the USA completely flees rational debate and instead lays on the media and political coercion and trickery.
Yeah he would kill him in a debate.

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Ahmajenidude says "in iran, we don't have homosexuals."
Are you muslim?
nope, are you homosexual?
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Rhetorical, but other than a war on homophobia, are there any other better reasons to start bombing the Iranian people?
They don't allow the international atomic Energy Agency to inspect their facilities. Their leader believes in the coming of the mahdi or 12 imam by means of war. They have ties to hezbollah and potentially other terrorists groups. They are clearly one of the worst dictatorships in the world. They might get their hands on a nuclear weapon, that could be passed onto a teorrist group.
They are the only islamic fundamentalist country with the nearing potential to obtain nuclear technology.
The things that ahmajenidad says are very threatening.
i cant see how you can trust them so much when they clearly have such backwards views.????
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Ahmedinejad said that the anti-homosexual thing is there because the majority of the population are against homosexuality, thus the attitude is democratic.
Thats funny. i could sweat i just saw him say to columbia university students posing the question that homosexuality does not exist in iran.
Dude, get over it he isn't acting democratic. Thats a fucking joke!!!
Look at what the regime does to its protestors.
Have you read its constitution?
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There are a lot of other places in the world homosexuals can do their thang, we don't have to go to war with a country because they are anti-homo or anti-zionist. I would be much more interested in discussing and debating why they think that way.
Who said we should go to war with them because of this?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14027932 - 02/25/11 10:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: You wonder why people cant take you seriously?
no, i wonder why people like yourself continue to jump at the propaganda coming out of the media, and attempt to rationalize another criminal preemptive invasion into a sovereign middle-eastern country. you're delusional and deceived to even be considering this as a good idea.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
#14027973 - 02/25/11 10:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why not? It's not like our military isn't overstretched, our treasury completely bankrupt, and our infrastructure rotting!
Shit yeah, have another war.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14028038 - 02/25/11 10:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TGRR said: Why not? It's not like our military isn't overstretched, our treasury completely bankrupt, and our infrastructure rotting!
Shit yeah, have another war.
But it's good for the economy! [/sarcasm]
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14028194 - 02/25/11 11:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck it, let'em nuke the israelis its all worthless sand anyway.
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I would totally support the nonlethal irradiating of the Dome of the Rock and the Wailing Wall to put an end to the everlasting tug-of-war, but they'd just call it a sign of the end times and use that to justify war again.
Fucking self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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Well your sentiment is beginning to make your posts more relevant.
i disagree, i would rather have the israel in the world, rather than iran.
i know i know, israel has had their fair share of violence.
i honestly would rather than whole region go under or for the new governments to arise.
i don't have any faith that sunnis and shiites will ever live in peace and considering that their the major controllers of the oil, their wars will affect us all negatively as the commodity becomes more and more scarce.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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i don't recall anyone but the extremists wanting a war with iraq and afghanista(maybe a little more)
Maybe you should examine the voting records since they were both overwhelmingly approved with support from both sides of the aisle. Do you know what the word "extremist" means?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Maybe you should examine the voting records since they were both overwhelmingly approved with support from both sides of the aisle. Do you know what the word "extremist" means?
Zappa is right. Many people were mislead that the war would be good for the economy and that we were in danger of more terrorist attacks involving nukes. The extremists were the ones who sold us on these fanciful notions in our moment of heightened nationalism and fear post 9/11. The extremists are also the ones who still believe in the war.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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The irony of someone who has this quote in their sig -
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
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Many people were mislead (sic) that the war would be good for the economy...
- is staggering. Please provide even a single quote from anyone - anyone - in the Bush administration who claimed chasing 'splodeydopes in Afghanistan and Iraq would be good for the economy.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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zappaisgod said: Maybe you should examine the voting records since they were both overwhelmingly approved with support from both sides of the aisle. Do you know what the word "extremist" means?
Zappa is right. Many people were mislead that the war would be good for the economy and that we were in danger of more terrorist attacks involving nukes. The extremists were the ones who sold us on these fanciful notions in our moment of heightened nationalism and fear post 9/11. The extremists are also the ones who still believe in the war.
1. I didn't hear any economic argument 2. There have been numerous terror attempts 3. If you aint worried about rogue state supplying nukes you are an ostrich 4. Misleading the People is of no consequence, it wasn't their votes that approved the wars. The Intelligence Committees voted "aye". The People were never asked.
You don't know what "extremist" means either.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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i don't recall anyone but the extremists wanting a war with iraq and afghanista(maybe a little more)
Maybe you should examine the voting records since they were both overwhelmingly approved with support from both sides of the aisle. Do you know what the word "extremist" means?
Just because the majority of Germans were aligned with Hitler doesn't mean they weren't being lied to and pushed into war by a select few extremists.
What I am referring to as extremist is someone who would go to war, regardless of other potential options available to stop the wars.
There were extremists pushing for war, bush's cabinet acted on what they probably knew was bad info. Thats an extremist. They also bombed baghdad killing thousands of civilians! If they really wanted to do it properly, they wouldn't bomb a major civilian city. Its not proven, but bush's cabinet seemed way to hasty in their decision, with vested interests in that war, I can see why.
That extremism to me.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I'm very happy that you have your own personal dictionary. You must feel special. I'm going to repeat that the supposed People who were lied to were not asked. The members of the Intelligence Committees in both Houses of Congress, the people with the inside skinny, voted overwhelmingly for both actions. No lying, no extremism. Go invent a religion.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
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Calm down O'Reilly. Did I say that the Bush administration misled the people into voting for the war by saying war was good for the economy? No. I said that many people were mislead ( ) by extremists (war mongering fanatics) who used the argument that war is good for the economy among others. That argument came up many times when I discussed our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. I only brought it up b/c Zappa pointed out that many people were for the war when we went in. I stand by my statement that it was based on poor intelligence, poor history (WWII = Economic boom, so will this!) and post 9/11 fear of more attacks, which I still maintain aren't an acceptable reason for preemptive invasion.
I don't believe that Iraq or North Korea having a nuke is any more dangerous than Israel having them, or Russia having them, or us having them. Putting a "rogue" label on them doesn't sway my opinion. I'd rather be an ostrich than a nationalist.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Extremism: is any ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards
2003-2011 Documented Civilian deaths from violence in Iraq during war and occupation: 99,712 - 108,866
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I'm very happy that you have your own personal dictionary.
You must feel special. I'm going to repeat that the supposed People who were lied to were not asked. The members of the Intelligence Committees in both Houses of Congress, the people with the inside skinny, voted overwhelmingly for both actions. No lying, no extremism. Go invent a religion.
And they wernt acting on shitty info then? Right because you know there WERE nuclear bombs in Iraq right?

Thats one way to deal with it. Keep justifying you countries mistakes, that way you can sleep better at night.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders, that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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If they can't have them than we shouldn't either.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders,
how about a regime that throws people in rape-rooms for carrying pieces of vegetation? or a regime that jails people for publishing research questioning the official story of the jewish holocaust?
and that's none of your business how they run their society. it's up to their people to change it if they don't like something, not foreign invaders.
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that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
we're uttering threats about invading Iran, and have already invaded several other middle-eastern countries this past decade, killing in the hundreds of thousands, for our own interests. and your bashing Iran because they're just talking shit? do you realize how hypocritical you're being?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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You must feel special. I'm going to repeat that the supposed People who were lied to were not asked. The members of the Intelligence Committees in both Houses of Congress, the people with the inside skinny, voted overwhelmingly for both actions. No lying, no extremism. Go invent a religion.
And they wernt acting on shitty info then? Right because you know there WERE nuclear bombs in Iraq right?
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Thats one way to deal with it. Keep justifying you countries mistakes, that way you can sleep better at night.
Iraq was not a mistake. The only mistake regarding Iraq was that they didn't remove Saddam the first time.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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Did I say that the Bush administration misled the people into voting for the war by saying war was good for the economy? No. I said that many people were mislead...
Which people? You and your classmates? Be specific. Next, show how these "many people" who were fooled had any connection to the decision made by Congress to authorize the use of military force against 'splodeydopes.
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...by extremists (war mongering fanatics)...
Again, be specific. Who exactly were these "extremist war-mongering fanatics" anyway? Are we talking Hell's Angels here? Birchers? Members of the Washington D.C. constabulary? Opinion journalists? Give us a hint. No, scratch that. Don't give us a hint, be specific. Name names. Next, show how those you just named had any connection to the decision made by Congress to authorize the use of military force against 'splodeydopes.
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...who used the argument that war is good for the economy among others.
Again, be specific. Let's have a link to a quote from one of these oh-so-persuasive individuals you are so carefully dancing around naming claiming that war against the 'splodeydopes would help the economy.
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That argument came up many times...
Enough with the passive voice, already. Be specific. Name names. Arguments don't "come up", arguments are presented by specific people. Who are we talking about here? Wanda Dewitt from your sophomore year Black Studies seminar? Next, explain to the audience what kind of pull Wanda (or whoever) had with Congress.
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...when I discussed our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Discussed where? With whom? In which dorm did this take place? Be specific. Next, show how some drunken undergrad bull session influenced Congress to vote as they did.
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I don't believe that Iraq or North Korea having a nuke is any more dangerous than Israel having them, or Russia having them, or us having them.
Of course you don't.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders, that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
You don't want? You must be American It's none of your business what they do at home and their threats are bs until they act. It's not your tribe and they got to handle their own domestic shit. Try fixing up your country first. Bet ya can't.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders, that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
What do you imagine they'd do with one bomb? Or even a dozen?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
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I don't have to be specific, you don't decide the rules of my posts. I didn't make the post to name names of people who are extremists. You've projected the ideas that it was the Bush administration into my writing and are demanding proof from me, fuck off with that. I never once said or implied that Congress was persuaded by the "war is good for the economy" argument, I said that people were. My father for example, as well as several people who were members of his church, a couple right wing nut jobs on other forums I went to, students and friends of mine as well, all pointed out to me that war was "good for the economy," based on the post WWII economic boom. These type of people who rationalize invading and killing people who had nothing to do with 9/11 are warn mongering extremists who don't care why we go to war, they just think it's exciting! They're motivated by similar religious stories, racism and nationalism as the evil middle-eastern extremists.
See, people who don't have any voice or power to influence Congress about the war can still take things called polls. Zappa mentioned that many of these people who were polled believed that war was a good idea. That's true, but most of those people were deceived, either by WMD claims or bullshit rationalizations for the war, b/c its easy to unite against a common enemy! Does that make sense to you? Do you understand the words that I've typed? Can we end your made up witch hunt, or do you have another list of loaded demands that take my words out of context and add to them?
Jesus titty fucking christ.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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There you go. Fixed for you.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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There you go. Fixed for you.
Thanks, people hadn't done a good enough job of rephrasing my words to be whatever they wanted so they could make personal attacks. I appreciate your helpful addition.

Here's what I really said:
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uber_aj said: Zappa is right. Many people were mislead that the war would be good for the economy and that we were in danger of more terrorist attacks involving nukes. The extremists were the ones who sold us on these fanciful notions in our moment of heightened nationalism and fear post 9/11. The extremists are also the ones who still believe in the war.
Extremists, who take many forms and positions that certainly aren't limited to political parties and high government positions, championed the war as necessary. Some of them argued that war was good for the economy (even if it wasn't a majority of them, or one of the most popular arguments) and other misinformation like terrorist possession of WMDs. It's easy to tell who the extremists are, b/c they still think after a decade of war, hundreds of thousand of civilian deaths and a total inability to setup the governments we wanted and then let the indigenous people take back control, we should still be there hunting for Osama Bin Laden and fighting Al Qaeda.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
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You're quite welcome.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I'm very happy that you have your own personal dictionary.
You must feel special. I'm going to repeat that the supposed People who were lied to were not asked. The members of the Intelligence Committees in both Houses of Congress, the people with the inside skinny, voted overwhelmingly for both actions. No lying, no extremism. Go invent a religion.
And they wernt acting on shitty info then? Right because you know there WERE nuclear bombs in Iraq right?
I'll suck your dick in Macy's window if you can find any example of somebody of substance saying Iraq had nuclear weapons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Contents

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The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3] Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors. Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."
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Thats one way to deal with it. Keep justifying you countries mistakes, that way you can sleep better at night.
Iraq was not a mistake. The only mistake regarding Iraq was that they didn't remove Saddam the first time.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders, that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
What do you imagine they'd do with one bomb? Or even a dozen?
Give it to a terrorist group like hezbollah.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
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AlphaFalfa said: i didn't say we should be having another war.
i said it seems like the only possibility if we get into a situation where iran is likely to have the ability to attain a nuclear weapon.
Maybe we should attack ourselves for having nuclear weapons. There is some good evidence that we always use the weapons we have.
I just don't want a regime that kills people for being gay, kills people for promoting porno, makes women subject to their husbands wills, allows women to be married at the age of 9, kills protestestors and jails opposition leaders,
how about a regime that throws people in rape-rooms for carrying pieces of vegetation? or a regime that jails people for publishing research questioning the official story of the jewish holocaust?
Boo fucking whoooooo.
That pails in comparison to murdering people for protesting.
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and that's none of your business how they run their society. it's up to their people to change it if they don't like something, not foreign invaders.
it is my business when they are taking hatred filled stances and their people cannot possibly fight back.
its up to their people to change it!
HA!!
i would like to see you go to iran and protest against a government only to see people around you maimed and killed.
Do you honestly think they can change it with such a fucked up regime?
Are you fucking mad?
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that seems to be uttering threats at other nations, that obviously promotes radical hatred towards the west and israel, to have any chance of obtaining a nuclear bomb.
we're uttering threats about invading Iran, and have already invaded several other middle-eastern countries this past decade, killing in the hundreds of thousands, for our own interests. and your bashing Iran because they're just talking shit? do you realize how hypocritical you're being?
Talking shit?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Execution_of_two_gay_teens_in_Iran_spurs_controversy
This was 2005. They've been doing this shit for so long.
Mudering, paralyzing, jailing, for protesting!!!
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Unconfirmed:_20_dead,_hundreds_hurt_after_protest_in_Iranian_city_of_Ahwaz
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: uber_aj]
#14032363 - 02/26/11 07:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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My father for example, as well as several people who were members of his church, a couple right wing nut jobs on other forums I went to, students and friends of mine as well, all pointed out to me that war was "good for the economy," based on the post WWII economic boom.
Okay... so basically, you are saying that some people were talked into thinking going to war was a good thing by other people who believed going to war was a good thing. Not by administration officials, or opinion journalists, or conspiracy-type cabals, but by just regular folks sharing their opinions.
Gee... what a startling revelation.
Now, why is it you call people whose opinion differs from yours "extremists"? And what made their argument so compelling they were able to "sell" (as you put it) the "fanciful notions" to just regular non-extremist folk?
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Zappa mentioned that many of these people who were polled believed that war was a good idea. That's true, but most of those people were deceived, either by WMD claims or bullshit rationalizations for the war, b/c its easy to unite against a common enemy!
Deceived? Deceived by whom? You seem not to want to claim the administration deceived anyone here (kudos to you for that, by the way), so that leaves... well... who does that leave as the "deceivers"? Friends, neighbors, acquaintances, random drunks on adjacent bar stools, whoever, who knew no more about the situation than the people they were "deceiving", I guess.
You have a very odd way of using words. It's no wonder your posts are so widely misunderstood.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
#14032436 - 02/26/11 08:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absolutely
It’s better to attack than to be attacked. Wackmadinejad is an Anti-American radical. Lessons learned from WWII. We should strike before we have another Pearl Harbor.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
#14032493 - 02/26/11 08:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The western powers need to open talks to Iran and address some of the valid issues they always walk out on.
I think that if "the west" made some efforts to address the issues, Iran would do the same of our issues with Iran.
Western powers are posturing even more than Iran is, and it is because they WILL NOT address the issues of Israel/Palestine, and subversive Zionist control of US foreign and domestic policy.
Unless all parties can be open and honest why should Iran expect respect and authenticity?
Iran Is a very religious country, and they have stated again and again that nukes are "unholy" and against Islam.
They comply with the NPT and Only have energy grade uranium.
Under the Nuclear treaty Iran is supposed to get AID from countries such as the USA not sanctions.
Imagine a world where the USA and Iran could work hand in hand to improve green energy technology and benefit all of mankind.
That could potentially happen if everyone would try to erase all of this hate, bigotry, and subversion and replace it with good will towards man.
How can you all bee so eager to blow up your fellow man
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
#14032904 - 02/26/11 09:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred said: Now, why is it you call people whose opinion differs from yours "extremists"?
it's not a matter of opinion. legal or not, the iraq invasion was immoral and led to hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths for the profits of some. and yes anyone who supported it is an extremist that makes the worst suicide bomber pale in comparison if we are to hold consistent standards. dance around this all you want.
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And what made their argument so compelling they were able to "sell" (as you put it) the "fanciful notions" to just regular non-extremist folk?
people are stupid and gullible and still trust western media for accurate information. doesn't matter what the argument is, all you have to hear is that muslim entity did X, and you'll believe it.
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Zappa mentioned that many of these people who were polled believed that war was a good idea. That's true, but most of those people were deceived, either by WMD claims or bullshit rationalizations for the war, b/c its easy to unite against a common enemy!
Deceived? Deceived by whom? You seem not to want to claim the administration deceived anyone here (kudos to you for that, by the way)
they did, repeatedly. how you remain in denial about this is beyond me. here's one small example: remember this?
and Rumsfeld on TV confirming that there were multiple cave networks like these? Yea, that wasn't true. It's called lying. Not bad intelligence--Lying.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Adam3295]
#14033026 - 02/26/11 09:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adam3295 said: Absolutely
It’s better to attack than to be attacked. Wackmadinejad is an Anti-American radical. Lessons learned from WWII. We should strike before we have another Pearl Harbor.
Well, off you go to the recruiter's office then, right?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14033036 - 02/26/11 09:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Frankly, anyone who believed the rationalizations for the war is too stupid to breathe unassisted.
The American people WANTED to be deceived.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14033082 - 02/26/11 09:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: You wonder why people cant take you seriously?
no, i wonder why people like yourself continue to jump at the propaganda coming out of the media, and attempt to rationalize another criminal preemptive invasion into a sovereign middle-eastern country. you're delusional and deceived to even be considering this as a good idea.
Pardon, but weren't you allready challenged on this issue and completely unable to backup any of your defenses of Iran? Why are you continuing this line when you've previously failed to back up those things you've said? It is indeed hard to take someone seriously who routinely says things they are unable to justify in the least.
I note, further, that on the merits of your argument, well... there appears to be none. You are beating the same old straw man you've failed to justify. What grounds do you have to justify your representation of those who disagree with you as ignorant consumers of propoganda and biased news who's viewpoints are determined by this alleged unfair portrayel of Iran, Israel, et cet? You've made this fallacious argument enough, I think you'd better establish its relevance before you continue this charade of arguing against positions you-yourself have manufactured. Anyways you cut it, its an ad hominem at its core, but can you at least establish your representations of those who disagree with you as accurate?
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it's not a matter of opinion. legal or not, the iraq invasion was immoral and led to hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths for the profits of some. and yes anyone who supported it is an extremist that makes the worst suicide bomber pale in comparison if we are to hold consistent standards. dance around this all you want.
How so? Someone who agrees, say, that Iraq violated security resolutions and will continue to do so, and thereby supports removal of the regime to improve security in the region, is neccesarily worse than someone who kills people as a terrorist act? By what calculus? .
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And what made their argument so compelling they were able to "sell" (as you put it) the "fanciful notions" to just regular non-extremist folk?
people are stupid and gullible and still trust western media for accurate information. doesn't matter what the argument is, all you have to hear is that muslim entity did X, and you'll believe it.
What evidence do you have that this is so and that it is unwise to be a western media consumer. I don't know anyone who would say they "trust" media of any stripe, though of course their is some implicit level of trust required to take anything from it at all. Why is this unreasonable, and why do you list western media particularly?
Is there any reason to suspect western media is inferior? I would imagine given the charecteristically free press that exists in many western countries, especially the US, that their are better information sources readily available there than in the average eastern country. What is your reasoning behind singling out western media?
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Shins said: Western powers are posturing even more than Iran is
What do you mean here? Iran, for its part, has always supported radical causes and a beligerant foreign policy- going so far as to support the elimination of soveirgn states, calling for the death of foreign nationals, and actively suppresses those with opposing views. What basis do you have to conclude they "posture less" than "western powers"?
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, and it is because they WILL NOT address the issues of Israel/Palestine, and subversive Zionist control of US foreign and domestic policy.
How do you figure this? Seems this topic is constantly addressed, at every turn. How do you argue that this alleged failure to address this topic causes what you say?
What exactly is this "subversive Zionist control of US... policy"? What are you referring to here and what do you have to back it up? These kinda claims have been made by people a bunch of times, but I've never heard anyone back them up other than appealing to some race-based argument or other nonsense. What do you cite as your proof of this?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Adam3295]
#14033369 - 02/26/11 10:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah let's cut off the Japs oil supplies again.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
#14035639 - 02/27/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pardon, but weren't you allready challenged on this issue and completely unable to backup any of your defenses of Iran? Why are you continuing this line when you've previously failed to back up those things you've said? It is indeed hard to take someone seriously who routinely says things they are unable to justify in the least.
i'm not defending Iran. i'm saying we are being misled about it being important to intervene there.
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How so? Someone who agrees, say, that Iraq violated security resolutions and will continue to do so, and thereby supports removal of the regime to improve security in the region, is neccesarily worse than someone who kills people as a terrorist act? By what calculus? .
having meetings and votes and calling it 'improving security in the region' and telling yourself that it is okay because it is 'legal' and 'congress approved', doesn't change the fact that it is direct deliberate causation of the deaths and maiming of many many innocent people. invading and killing the people over there was just wrong.
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What evidence do you have that this is so and that it is unwise to be a western media consumer.
here is your evidence. please don't try and tell me this was an isolated event. if they were doing it then, they are doing it now and it is much more sophisticated.
CNN fake newscast from the Gulf War
they are liars selling whatever the military industrial complex requires in terms of popular support. it is state-run propaganda.
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I don't know anyone who would say they "trust" media of any stripe, though of course their is some implicit level of trust required to take anything from it at all.
ah and therein lies the problem.
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Why is this unreasonable
guess it is no more unreasonable than leaving a kleptomaniac alone in your house for a few hours.
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Is there any reason to suspect western media is inferior? I would imagine given the charecteristically free press that exists in many western countries, especially the US, that their are better information sources readily available there than in the average eastern country. What is your reasoning behind singling out western media?
i single western media out because it masquerades itself as investigative journalism, and i see many people falling for it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Grav]
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And yet you fail to address the iranian constitution and their obvious violence towards protestors?
Hundres have been killed over the years in protests.
What ye say of that?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14043452 - 02/28/11 04:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: And yet you fail to address the iranian constitution and their obvious violence towards protestors?
Hundres have been killed over the years in protests.
What ye say of that?
Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things. Let them handle their own issues.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14043502 - 02/28/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iran? Who cares about Iran? Better yet, why SHOULD anyone care about Iran? And before you make any argument involving any sort of moral claim (i.e. "it's the right thing to do because blah blah blah"), I call preemptive horse shit. If that is the case, we should have invaded a laundry list of other countries by now, because know what? There are a shitload of countries that do worse on a more regular basis. There is no reason to start yet another pointless war.
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You should care about Iran because Zionist Israel does.
Same old story.
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phoxyilluminata said: Iran? Who cares about Iran? Better yet, why SHOULD anyone care about Iran? And before you make any argument involving any sort of moral claim (i.e. "it's the right thing to do because blah blah blah"), I call preemptive horse shit. If that is the case, we should have invaded a laundry list of other countries by now, because know what? There are a shitload of countries that do worse on a more regular basis. There is no reason to start yet another pointless war.
Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nucelar program.
Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14043656 - 02/28/11 05:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: And yet you fail to address the iranian constitution and their obvious violence towards protestors?
Hundres have been killed over the years in protests.
What ye say of that?
Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things. Let them handle their own issues.
Read above, response to you is the same as my last post.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14043814 - 02/28/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
Okay. And Americans can be seen chanting, as lead by their leaders "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb, Iran."
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AlphaFalfa said: It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
America funds terrorists all the time.
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AlphaFalfa said: They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nucelar program.
Bah. If they are stupid enough to try to use nukes, the world is going down anyway. Fuck it.
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AlphaFalfa said: Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
So are the vast majority of U.S. presidents.
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AlphaFalfa said: He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
Okay. So he's a hypocrite. Can we say torture in the U.S.?
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AlphaFalfa said: I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
And I don't give a flying fuck.
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AlphaFalfa said: Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
Who cares? If they want it for peaceful purposes, fine. If they want it for nukes, all the better. Bring on the apocalypse.
In short, my brother and cousins not going to a third fucking country to get shot at is more important to me than bullshit rhetoric, pointless speculation, and things that have been going on unaddressed for years.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14043915 - 02/28/11 05:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
Unlike, say, Obama or Bush.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things.
Who you calling we, Kemosabe? You neither pay nor participate.
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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
Unlike, say, Obama or Bush.
I am not morally judging him.
I am speaking about trusting him on his nuclear intentions.
I could care less who is a hypcrit or not, just don't affect my experience negatively and you can be whatever the fuck you want.
And my other points?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things.
Who you calling we, Kemosabe? You neither pay nor participate.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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And my points?
They don't need to. Zappa, you see, is psychic, and knows everything about everyone.
There's no debate here, Phox. Just ad hominem crap. What do you expect from extremists?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things.
Who you calling we, Kemosabe? You neither pay nor participate.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I think I'm pretty fucking clear, kid. You neither pay nor participate.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Sounds like their problem.
It's time we stopped acting like we are the only people capable of handling things.
Who you calling we, Kemosabe? You neither pay nor participate.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I think I'm pretty fucking clear, kid. You neither pay nor participate.
You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14044525 - 02/28/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let's see...Mid-level manager at a refinery, or a guy who runs a sandwich shack?
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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
Okay. And Americans can be seen chanting, as lead by their leaders "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb, Iran."
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AlphaFalfa said: It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
America funds terrorists all the time.
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AlphaFalfa said: They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nucelar program.
Bah. If they are stupid enough to try to use nukes, the world is going down anyway. Fuck it.
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AlphaFalfa said: Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
So are the vast majority of U.S. presidents.
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AlphaFalfa said: He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
Okay. So he's a hypocrite. Can we say torture in the U.S.?
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AlphaFalfa said: I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
And I don't give a flying fuck.
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AlphaFalfa said: Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
Who cares? If they want it for peaceful purposes, fine. If they want it for nukes, all the better. Bring on the apocalypse.
In short, my brother and cousins not going to a third fucking country to get shot at is more important to me than bullshit rhetoric, pointless speculation, and things that have been going on unaddressed for years.
They aren't stupid enough to use a nuke, but they might pass it off to a terrorist group.
The rest of what you said shows me we have differing interests.
If a global nuclear war started, I would be speechless with shit coming out of your ass.
You could care less.
Clearly it would be impossible to agree on anything when you have that ridiculous attitude.
Sorry, but you sound like a child when you say you don't care.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Let's see...Mid-level manager at a refinery, or a guy who runs a sandwich shack?

"Mid-level manager at a refinery" OOOOOOOH wow, I are impressed.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Let's see...Mid-level manager at a refinery, or a guy who runs a sandwich shack?

"Mid-level manager at a refinery" OOOOOOOH wow, I are impressed.
I probably paid more in taxes last year than you make in 4.
Yeah, running a sandwich stand.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14044590 - 02/28/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know where you got that, middleman. But I bet there are sandwich cart guys who make more than you as well.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I don't know where you got that, middleman. But I bet there are sandwich cart guys who make more than you as well.
Middle management is a relative term, old man. For you, it's your fry cook. For me, it's maintenance manager.
One makes minimum wage, when you don't stiff him, and one makes enough to buy you. Hell, I make enough, I could even pay someone to have sex with you, just with my walking around money...And that wouldn't be a cheap proposition, especially given your advanced age.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14044661 - 02/28/11 07:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh you're a janitor. Union, I bet.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Oh you're a janitor. Union, I bet.
Naw. I have one of the foremen oversee the janitorial staff. But that was a great attempt, old man.
And this is Arizona. We don't have unions to speak of.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Naw. I have one of the foremen oversee the janitorial staff. But that was a great attempt, old man.
And this is Arizona. We don't have unions to speak of.

Great idea. We gotta get that way in NY.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Oh you're a janitor. Union, I bet.
Naw. I have one of the foremen oversee the janitorial staff. But that was a great attempt, old man.
And this is Arizona. We don't have unions to speak of.

Great idea. We gotta get that way in NY.
Yep. Nothing like having a working population that can't afford to buy anything. Does WONDERS for the economy.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14044712 - 02/28/11 07:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa] 1
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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
And you chant death to Iran. Frankly, i would like to see the current regime in America and Israel change too. You need to be careful in translation when you differentiate death to a regime and death to the people.
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It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
It has been reported that Iran might?
You would kill women and children because compromised pro-Zionist media said might?
Frankly, colonialist, expansionist, coalition forces that turn innocent families into blood splatters justly deserve opposition, Karma is a bitch.
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They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nuclear program.
Iran cooperates with the IAEA and is in full compliance of IAEA agreements.
They are supposed to get AID as part of the agreement, yet instead they get sanctions.
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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
Not nearly as proficient of a liar or hypocrite as western leaders are.
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He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
A few points about this;
1. There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.
2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.
3. we need to differentiate between a peaceful protest and an attempted coup. Many of the "protests" went as peaceful as you assert, I'd be happy to discuss particular situations though.
4. Western governments often get violent with peaceful protesters as well.
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I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
1. Again you need to differentiate between "end to a regime" and "end to the people"
2. that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)? Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too? how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?
Why are you against Iran accessing green technology? you shit your mouth off about environmentalism, but then turn around and say Iran shouldn't be more environmentally kind.
see, you are a hypocrite too.
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Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
So go kill them?! go ahead, get a gun and fly to Iran yourself! Kill them all! Shoot all scientists too; we don't need them because heck, we can't be certain since science and scientific investigation don't seem to matter at all to you.
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That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
Case in point; you want to quell your irrational fears.
Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.
Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"
You are being intentionally subjected to fear mongering propaganda so that you will believe in unicorns or anything to make you feel safe.
What a tool thing to do. I feel sad and frustrated that you are falling for the psy-ops and being played like a fiddle.
I pray that you will break free and transcend the propaganda one day and see things on a higher plane.
I would love for one day that you realize that safety and fear are classic propaganda tools - classic dialectics that play on your less rational emotional side.
you are subjected to perceptions of fear by special interest groups, and you offered solution to quell your fears are right in line with the agenda.
So brainwashed people get so as they are even willing to want kill their fellow man to the benefit of the programmers.
I would rather do my best to find those things i have in common with other peoples and try to find peaceful cooperative ways to benefit mankind a a whole.
As i have said before, Imagine Iran and Western powers honestly and authentically working together to solve and improve issues such as Green nuclear energy and the true reasons for Instability in the middle east.
The Real THING here is that the media is subliminally making you Imagine War with Iran - If it is within our consciousness and means, it can be done.
I wish more people would consciously imagine Peace, respect, and co-operation with Iran, Because the vast majority of Iranians are peaceful, loving, respectful people who don't deserve bombs dropping on their house and Military Contractors ripping up their wives and children with bullets.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14044745 - 02/28/11 07:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You can't afford to buy anything? Poor boy.
I'm doing just fine...But the "work" I do tends to have more to do with budget forecasts and managing fixed costs.
The guys on the ground, though? Especially over in operations? Poor bastards make less than $30K/yr, and that's considered a good wage in Tucson.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14044886 - 02/28/11 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: They aren't stupid enough to use a nuke, but they might pass it off to a terrorist group.
The rest of what you said shows me we have differing interests.
If a global nuclear war started, I would be speechless with shit coming out of your ass.
You could care less.
Clearly it would be impossible to agree on anything when you have that ridiculous attitude.
Sorry, but you sound like a child when you say you don't care.
Impossible because I have a ridiculous attitude? I sound like a child? Okay, fine. But, I really don't care, because a war on the ground won't prevent a nuclear war in the long run anyway. So... yeah, why justify their "death to America" shit by being the big, bad, imperialistic world police fucksticks that they are ranting against? why give them a reason to pursue nuclear arms?
not childish, btw. Realistic.
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I don't think Qadaffi will give up anytime soon. Not as long as he can draw a breath. As for US involvement. I think we need to stay out of it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
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ChelleLaBelle said: I don't think Qadaffi will give up anytime soon. Not as long as he can draw a breath. As for US involvement. I think we need to stay out of it.
My thoughts exactly. But what should we do? We can't not do nothing?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: MushyHobo]
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MushyHobo said: My thoughts exactly. But what should we do? We can't not do nothing?
Why not? We most certainly can do nothing, because until it starts affecting us, it shouldn't be our concern. And it DOESN'T affect us.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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MushyHobo said: My thoughts exactly. But what should we do? We can't not do nothing?
Why not? We most certainly can do nothing, because until it starts affecting us, it shouldn't be our concern. And it DOESN'T affect us.
We need to stay the hell out of the whole damn mess. Leave it be and wait for the fires to die.
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Ever wonder why Iran calls The western regime Satanic?
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MushyHobo said: My thoughts exactly. But what should we do? We can't not do nothing?
Why not? We most certainly can do nothing, because until it starts affecting us, it shouldn't be our concern. And it DOESN'T affect us.
It affects Israel and Zionists, Iran consistently calls Zionism out, So the people need to be made to believe it affects us so we will kill and die for Zionist interests.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
#14045458 - 02/28/11 09:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
And you chant death to Iran. Frankly, i would like to see the current regime in America and Israel change too. You need to be careful in translation when you differentiate death to a regime and death to the people.
They aren't saying that they want the regime to change. They are burning flags, chanting for its death. They don't parade saying america should change! Get over it. On this one you can't argue. You've seen it with your own two eyes.
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It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
It has been reported that Iran might?
You would kill women and children because compromised pro-Zionist media said might?
You would allow a potentially terrorist state to have a nuclear bomb? What about those killed in terrorist acts in the west? Personally, i don't really care about those people as much as i do people of the west. Given the choice, i would bomb another country, especially a country filled with radicalism. its not pretty, politics is always about minimizing damage and in this case, i don't like the idea of sitting around like OBAMA has, waiting for this country to become capable of obtaining a nuclear weapon!
Frankly, colonialist, expansionist, coalition forces that turn innocent families into blood splatters justly deserve opposition, Karma is a bitch.
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Aren't those coalition forces decieved by the great eye on the back of the dollar bill?
They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nuclear program.
Iran cooperates with the IAEA and is in full compliance of IAEA agreements.
They are supposed to get AID as part of the agreement, yet instead they get sanctions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543401.stm
Enough with this.
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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
Not nearly as proficient of a liar or hypocrite as western leaders are.
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He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
A few points about this;
1. There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.
Fuck that, they clearly are. You can see it with your own two eyes. Watch the videos. Regardless of whether this is true, i have seen videos of people being attacked and one horrible one of a girl being shot in the head.
2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.
Good
3. we need to differentiate between a peaceful protest and an attempted coup. Many of the "protests" went as peaceful as you assert, I'd be happy to discuss particular situations though.
Are you joking? iranian leaders don't let opposition members out and have put them under house arrest. Do you think that protestors won't get fed up with this type of bullshit and attack back? i've seen people who haven't and wern't part of an attack being killed. There is no excuse for this one shin.
4. Western governments often get violent with peaceful protesters as well.

Western people are far to pussy to confront police. although i do agree, the G8 protests are filled with violence, you cannot name one g8 protest in the states where someone was shot to death and killed. Nice try.
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I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
1. Again you need to differentiate between "end to a regime" and "end to the people"

2. that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)? Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too? how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?


The jewish and united states is not run by Muslim extremists!
Why are you against Iran accessing green technology? you shit your mouth off about environmentalism, but then turn around and say Iran shouldn't be more environmentally kind.
see, you are a hypocrite too.

Nuclear power is not green or peaceful.

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Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
So go kill them?! go ahead, get a gun and fly to Iran yourself! Kill them all! Shoot all scientists too; we don't need them because heck, we can't be certain since science and scientific investigation don't seem to matter at all to you.
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That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
Case in point; you want to quell your irrational fears.

Case in point? You've been exposed as a fraud with serious bias. The US government is violent towards protestors....
Talk about case in point.
Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.

i care not what you think.
Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"
You are being intentionally subjected to fear mongering propaganda so that you will believe in unicorns or anything to make you feel safe.
What a tool thing to do. I feel sad and frustrated that you are falling for the psy-ops and being played like a fiddle.
I pray that you will break free and transcend the propaganda one day and see things on a higher plane.
I would love for one day that you realize that safety and fear are classic propaganda tools - classic dialectics that play on your less rational emotional side.
you are subjected to perceptions of fear by special interest groups, and you offered solution to quell your fears are right in line with the agenda.
So brainwashed people get so as they are even willing to want kill their fellow man to the benefit of the programmers.
I would rather do my best to find those things i have in common with other peoples and try to find peaceful cooperative ways to benefit mankind a a whole.
As i have said before, Imagine Iran and Western powers honestly and authentically working together to solve and improve issues such as Green nuclear energy and the true reasons for Instability in the middle east.
The Real THING here is that the media is subliminally making you Imagine War with Iran - If it is within our consciousness and means, it can be done.
I wish more people would consciously imagine Peace, respect, and co-operation with Iran, Because the vast majority of Iranians are peaceful, loving, respectful people who don't deserve bombs dropping on their house and Military Contractors ripping up their wives and children with bullets.
i have iranian friends. i lived in a small town of over 50% iranians. To be honest, not all iranians are peace loving, but many are.
ALL of my friends and their families, from iran, all hated the regime there.
Would you have guessed? They aren't religious, who would have known? Their moms wouldn't even wear traditional clothing.
i agree with what you say here but again, when given the choice whether to stop in the far future an iran beligerant leader, not complying with iaea, with potential ties to terrorists and the potential to unloud a serious nuclear payload on a city in US/canada/europe, i would rather shred people from iran than shred my own people/potentially my family.
Sorry, politics is a dirty game. i think were on the same page here, but you seem to have been mislead on a number of topics.
Again, let me re-iterate. This bombing and war would be years down the future, when iran is still being lead by belligerant leaders.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?
No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?
No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.
You mean this....
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Was a serious post?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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They aren't saying that they want the regime to change. They are burning flags, chanting for its death. They don't parade saying america should change! Get over it. On this one you can't argue. You've seen it with your own two eyes.
Who is? What does a flag represent? people? or nation/idealology? What is wrong with chanting death to an Ideology? Do you not support free speech? Man... you're so hypocritical.
I have yet to see with my eyes or ears that Iran is interested in killing people rather than killing an ideology.
Please show us though if you can.
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You would allow a potentially terrorist state to have a nuclear bomb?
Potentially terrorist state? what the hell does that mean? Western powers routinely participate in terrorism. What the hell do you think the war in the middle east is?
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ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
so who the hell is the terrorist? What the $%^& do you think the war in the middle east is?
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What about those killed in terrorist acts in the west?
Which ones? what about the people in the west who die of ant bites, honey bee stings, lightning strikes, and falling icicles? GET A GRIP!
If you want to cite 9/11 and 7/7 as examples, you first need to establish empirically who the true perpetrators are. Science man! Media hype and emotional pandering doesn't count as evidence.
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Personally, i don't really care about those people as much as i do people of the west. Given the choice, i would bomb another country,
You supremacist bastard. Shame on you, they are human too. for all your gay equality, environmentalist bullshit, you're a real hypocrite.
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especially a country filled with radicalism.
HELLOOO HOW ABOUT ISRAEL
ANYONE HOME?!?!
Connect the god damned dots man.
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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.
Radicalism is not fundamentally negative.
There is plenty of radicalists in all corners of the globe including those who already have nukes, and including you.
Does your country have nukes? lets bomb you then okay?
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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.
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politics is always about minimizing damage
What a radically simplistic but false view. Care to explain yourself?
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and in this case, i don't like the idea of sitting around like OBAMA has, waiting for this country to become capable of obtaining a nuclear weapon!
So you want to kill them?
They could not make nukes for 1000 years or ever for all you know.
for all you know Iran could make breakthroughs in nuclear energy instead.
NUKES ARE AGAINST ISLAM
read it again
NUKES ARE AGAINST THE MUSLIM RELIGION
Are you registering it yet?
Let me put it simply for you
Iran - highly Islamic Nukes - Against Islam
Iran + Nukes /= Islamic Principals
Get it? Moving on...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543401.stm
Enough with this
All you articles says is;
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"The agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, but we cannot confirm that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities because Iran has not provided the agency with the necessary co-operation," Mr Amano said.
BBC? come on.
What does "necessary co-operation mean?
"we cannot confirm" means nothing!
We cannot confirm that 12 armed orangutans have and underground base and are plotting to overthrow the world's banana supplies!
how about this article?
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Report: Amano Serving US Interests
TEHRAN (FNA)- A recent report by the western media revealed that Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Yukiya Amano had vowed in several meetings with the US officials before taking the lead at the world nuclear body that he would comply with Washington's policies and safeguard its interests after ascending to power.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912071310
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There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.
Fuck that, they clearly are. You can see it with your own two eyes. Watch the videos. Regardless of whether this is true, i have seen videos of people being attacked and one horrible one of a girl being shot in the head.
Horrible videos /= populist movement, nor do they necessary prove the government did it, it sure appeals to your emotions though. People get shot an attacked EVER DAY in America.
They are clearly not since the current regime was voted into power democratically. If you want to contest this fact, i challenge you to provide evidence of fraud in your post.
Saying fuck that doesn't make it true.
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2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.
Good
Once again, you show your hypocrite side, i thought you were about Democracy, not subversion?
You are clearly showing your bias and allegiance, No wonder.
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Are you joking? iranian leaders don't let opposition members out and have put them under house arrest. Do you think that protestors won't get fed up with this type of bullshit and attack back? i've seen people who haven't and wern't part of an attack being killed. There is no excuse for this one shin.
OOOOoooOoo confined to their house. The "excuse" that is quite obvious to me is that those leaders might likely have participated and inflamed the the violence and unpopular revolt.
Protesters: you lost the democratic election, attempting a coup after you lost is a good way to incite violence.
The leaders were only confined to their house for the duration of the revolts.
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Western people are far to pussy to confront police. although i do agree, the G8 protests are filled with violence, you cannot name one g8 protest in the states where someone was shot to death and killed. Nice try.
Sigh, now i have to link you examples of protesters dying at the hand of western powers?
Granted it's not not as bad as other places in the Middle east.
Another thing we need to differentiate as well though, is the difference between a protest and an unpopular revolt or coup.
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that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)? Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too? how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?


The jewish and united states is not run by Muslim extremists!
That's not my point. There are other types of violent extremists besides Muslim ones.
Such as; Zionist extremists (to keep it relevent.)
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Nuclear power is not green or peaceful.

Nuclear energy Is more green than most all current options on the table.
Not peaceful? duuuhwhat?
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Case in point? You've been exposed as a fraud with serious bias. The US government is violent towards protestors....
Talk about case in point.
The US government certainly would and do get more violent and deadly if protests turn into attempted coups.
Like you say, The US protesters have no balls, If they turned radical revolutionary I'm sure they would be met with deadly force - why else do you think it hasn't happened yet?
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Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.

i care not what you think.
I don't know why I'm replying then, If you care not to expand to ideas outside of your bubble how does that make you any different in that respect than the villains you criticize?
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i have iranian friends. i lived in a small town of over 50% iranians. To be honest, not all iranians are peace loving, but many are.
ALL of my friends and their families, from iran, all hated the regime there.
Would you have guessed? They aren't religious, who would have known? Their moms wouldn't even wear traditional clothing.
Do they live in Iran? Last time i checked, you can move if you don't like the popular religion of Iran.
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i agree with what you say here but again, when given the choice whether to stop in the far future an iran beligerant leader, not complying with iaea, with potential ties to terrorists and the potential to unloud a serious nuclear payload on a city in US/canada/europe, i would rather shred people from iran than shred my own people/potentially my family.
That's a lot of far strung potentials to go killing on.
You could too potentially go violent - lets kill you too okay? just to quell my irrational fear that the 1/100,000,000 chance that one day you might kill me.
How many times do i have to tell you Nukes are against Islam
Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam
There is no evidence Iran is building nukes!
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Sorry, politics is a dirty game. i think were on the same page here, but you seem to have been mislead on a number of topics.
Politics isn't required to be "dirty" at all.
There may be topics i have been mislead on granted.
There maybe be ones you have been mislead on too.
I'm sure of it.
Do you acknowledge that the bomb Iran campaign is primarily perpetrated by Zionists and sympathizers?
Do you acknowledge that the western media conglomerates are primarily owned by Zionists?
Do you acknowledge that Zionists have strong influence over western foreign policy objectives?
If so, do you yourself support Zionism?
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?
No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.
Fantasy land?
Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?
I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.
You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"
Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.
Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!
Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!
"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.
You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"
Was a serious post?
Yes, you have been "educated" to believe that Magic = harry potter and RPG Video games.
"Magic" in the real world has prominent historic background that spans several millennium.
Typical hard-core high-profile Zionists and indeed many western elite are heavily enveloped in esoteric occult magic and ritual.
Please, research this on your own, i don't want to derail this thread.
I tend to believe that even Jews have been deceived by these occultist entities into a war with Islam on a road towards a higher plan for humanity.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Have you guys heard of the STUXNET? The virus that was allegedly created by suspected US allies, which allegedly maliciously altered the frequency of certain centrifuges in Iranian nuclear facilities,. I only bring this up, cause I believe there are many new ideas we can exploit and create to deal with such situations like Iran that doesnt necessarily result in a full blown war.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Fantasy land?
Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?
I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.
You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"
Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.
Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!
Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!
"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.
You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.
Yeah, not what I was getting at. But that's okay. Continue being an internet tough guy and using your stock responses. Protip: Maybe try it on someone who actually cares, though. As for me, I have better things to do than waste time with someone like you.
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Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?
I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.
You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"
Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.
Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!
Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!
"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.
You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.
Yeah, not what I was getting at. But that's okay. Continue being an internet tough guy and using your stock responses. Protip: Maybe try it on someone who actually cares, though. As for me, I have better things to do than waste time with someone like you.
Pro tip; bugger off if you don't care. you obviously do have time, you keep posting.
Yet you chose to ridicule me instead of posting thought-out responses.
Who's the internet tough guy here?
The only thing i'm trying to be tough with is intellectual integrety, you should try it!
What were you getting at?
Give the discussion some real talking points.
Otherwise, please stop muddying up the thread with your tripe!
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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.
Okay. And Americans can be seen chanting, as lead by their leaders "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb, Iran."
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AlphaFalfa said: It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.
America funds terrorists all the time.
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AlphaFalfa said: They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nucelar program.
Bah. If they are stupid enough to try to use nukes, the world is going down anyway. Fuck it.
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AlphaFalfa said: Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.
So are the vast majority of U.S. presidents.
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AlphaFalfa said: He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.
Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.
Okay. So he's a hypocrite. Can we say torture in the U.S.?
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AlphaFalfa said: I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.
And I don't give a flying fuck.
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AlphaFalfa said: Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.
That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.
Who cares? If they want it for peaceful purposes, fine. If they want it for nukes, all the better. Bring on the apocalypse.
In short, my brother and cousins not going to a third fucking country to get shot at is more important to me than bullshit rhetoric, pointless speculation, and things that have been going on unaddressed for years.
What is the relevance of this? What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not? I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them? It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
TGRR, chill out a bit. Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone.
Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
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What is the relevance of this? What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not? I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them? It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.
answer yourself;
What relevance does media manipulation of the facts have relative to Iran?
what relevance does colonialist forces surrounding Iran have relative to Iran?
What relevance does threats of nuclear attack have relative to Iran?
What does US refusal to acknowledge Iran's Expose' of Zionist manipulation have relative to Iran?
What relevance does the US dropping bombs on Iran have relative to Iran?
What relevance does the US funding opposition coups have relative to Iran?
The relevance here is; The physical aggressor here is not Iran, but the Zionist west.
The relevance is that we should be examine and solve the corruption in our own countries before we go off bombing countries because of irrational - corrupt Zionist media influenced "what if's"
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: What is the relevance of this? What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not? I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them? It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.
Are you saying that the actions of the U.S. are irrelevant? Because that seems absurd to me. If the U.S. is guilty, of precisely the same things that everyone is saying is reason to attack Iran, shouldn't someone step in and invade the U.S.? Hate to say it, but if we follow Shins' logic, then the September 11 attacks are completely justifiable in the same way a war with Iran is, Zionist bullshit aside.
If a war in Iran is justifiable for the given reasons, then all of the major powers, the U.S., UK, France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. are equally valid targets, and if it falls upon the U.S. to take out all these "threats", then we better get started. Or is Iran an acceptable target because it is comparatively weak, primarily Muslim, and full of brown people?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: What relevance does media manipulation of the facts have relative to Iran?
i'd say that's pretty relevant as probably nobody here would even be thinking about Iran if popular media wasn't telling them to. it will be interesting to see more Iran or Libya threads popping up echoing the same talking points. is the media talking about it because it is important? or is it important because the media is talking about it?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
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You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
TGRR, chill out a bit. Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone.
Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation 
I think the "old man" thing is in response to zappaisgod calling him "kid". I don't think it's intended as an insult, but more of a rib.
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What have I walked into here? Why do so many feel it is the responsibility of the U.S. to run it's war machine over everyone?
I am constantly amazed that so many people choose to live in fear, especially fear of some imagined boogey man.
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You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
TGRR, chill out a bit. Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone.
Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation 
I think the "old man" thing is in response to zappaisgod calling him "kid". I don't think it's intended as an insult, but more of a rib.
Yeah, but it's ok for Zippy to do shit like that. He's "special".
The rules are an abstract construct to him, and therefore do not exist.
Kind of like the spoon in the Matrix and shit.
That's what makes him a Neo-conservative.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I had no problem with him calling me "old man". I am an "old man". At least relative to most of the people here. I don't consider it an insult. Some of you are not going to attain that status. I did. It is not an insult.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Grumpy old men. 
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Okay... lets go
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They aren't saying that they want the regime to change. They are burning flags, chanting for its death. They don't parade saying america should change! Get over it. On this one you can't argue. You've seen it with your own two eyes.
Who is? What does a flag represent? people? or nation/idealology? What is wrong with chanting death to an Ideology? Do you not support free speech? Man... you're so hypocritical.
I have yet to see with my eyes or ears that Iran is interested in killing people rather than killing an ideology.
Please show us though if you can.
Please show me that they don't mean physical harm?
Do you know what Shariah law is?
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You would allow a potentially terrorist state to have a nuclear bomb?
Potentially terrorist state? what the hell does that mean? Western powers routinely participate in terrorism. What the hell do you think the war in the middle east is?
One again, choose the lesser of two evils!
Fuck man, politics is not cut and dry. Its sloppy and sometimes you have to choose between to nasty alternatives.
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ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
so who the hell is the terrorist? What the $%^& do you think the war in the middle east is?
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What about those killed in terrorist acts in the west?
Which ones? what about the people in the west who die of ant bites, honey bee stings, lightning strikes, and falling icicles? GET A GRIP!
If you want to cite 9/11 and 7/7 as examples, you first need to establish empirically who the true perpetrators are. Science man! Media hype and emotional pandering doesn't count as evidence.
What about the iranians who held americans from the american embassy hostage during the revolution?
What about that huh?
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Personally, i don't really care about those people as much as i do people of the west. Given the choice, i would bomb another country,
You supremacist bastard. Shame on you, they are human too. for all your gay equality, environmentalist bullshit, you're a real hypocrite.
Fuck you asshole. Learn how to read. I would rather go at this peacefully. I don't see why iran needs nuclear power! They clearly have more than enough energy resources, even green energy sources than they need!!! Your an imbecile.
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especially a country filled with radicalism.
HELLOOO HOW ABOUT ISRAEL
ANYONE HOME?!?!
Connect the god damned dots man.
Israel doesn't hang people for being gay, women can choose who they marry, they aren't property of men! Are you fucking quacked out of your head. Iran hung teens because they were acting gay. The president denies that there is such thing as gay people! Are you crazy? Thats far far more radical than israel! and thats just the beggining.
ISRAEL IS NOT PERFECT, I PARTICULARLY DISLIKE THE WAY THEY HANDLE THEIR FOREIGN POLICY BUT THEY ARE FAR LESS RADICAL THAN IRAN.
Lay of the drugs!
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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.
Radicalism is not fundamentally negative.
There is plenty of radicalists in all corners of the globe including those who already have nukes, and including you.
Does your country have nukes? lets bomb you then okay?
MY COUNTRY DOES NOT THREATEN OTHERS AND PROMOTE HATRED. MY COUNTRY DOES NOT KILL PEOPLE WHO PROTEST. END OF STORY.
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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.
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politics is always about minimizing damage
What a radically simplistic but false view. Care to explain yourself?
Say a few years down the road, a terrorist group sets of a nuclear bomb in a huge city and killed your family. Would you 1. take out a group that could potentially hand over a nuclear bomb for such purposes to a teorrirst organization or 2. Allow that damage to come to pass?
This is what minimizing damage means, choosing the lesser of the two evils.
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and in this case, i don't like the idea of sitting around like OBAMA has, waiting for this country to become capable of obtaining a nuclear weapon!
So you want to kill them?
They could not make nukes for 1000 years or ever for all you know.
for all you know Iran could make breakthroughs in nuclear energy instead.
NUKES ARE AGAINST ISLAM
read it again
NUKES ARE AGAINST THE MUSLIM RELIGION
Are you registering it yet?
Let me put it simply for you
Iran - highly Islamic Nukes - Against Islam
Iran + Nukes /= Islamic Principals
Get it? Moving on...
PROVE IT!
THATS THE SAME BULLSHIT COMING FROM A MOTHERFUCKING GUY WHO SAYS THINGS LIKE " the lybian people should rebel against their president" but at the same time warrants the death of his own people who protest!
PROVE IT!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543401.stm
Enough with this
All you articles says is;
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"The agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, but we cannot confirm that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities because Iran has not provided the agency with the necessary co-operation," Mr Amano said.
BBC? come on.
ALEX JONES? come on?
Aljazeera says the same fucking thing?
WHO DO YOU TRUST FOR THE NEWS AND WHY?
What does "necessary co-operation mean?
"we cannot confirm" means nothing!
IT MEANS ALOT WHEN A COUNTRY PROMISES TO ALLOW OTHERS TO CONFIRM!
YOUR EXAMPLE IS MONKEY PLAY AND MONKEY TALK, GET WITH THE TIMES AND STOP TRUST AHMAJENIDAD.
We cannot confirm that 12 armed orangutans have and underground base and are plotting to overthrow the world's banana supplies!
how about this article?
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Report: Amano Serving US Interests
TEHRAN (FNA)- A recent report by the western media revealed that Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Yukiya Amano had vowed in several meetings with the US officials before taking the lead at the world nuclear body that he would comply with Washington's policies and safeguard its interests after ascending to power.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912071310
who the hell is farsnews?
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There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.
Fuck that, they clearly are. You can see it with your own two eyes. Watch the videos. Regardless of whether this is true, i have seen videos of people being attacked and one horrible one of a girl being shot in the head.
Horrible videos /= populist movement, nor do they necessary prove the government did it, it sure appeals to your emotions though. People get shot an attacked EVER DAY in America.
They are clearly not since the current regime was voted into power democratically. If you want to contest this fact, i challenge you to provide evidence of fraud in your post.
Saying fuck that doesn't make it true.
LOL THE CURRENT REGIME WAS VOTED INTO POWER! But that means fuck all in terms of what the people think of the regime 40 years down the road!!!!
RIDICULOUS.
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2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.
Good
Once again, you show your hypocrite side, i thought you were about Democracy, not subversion?
You are clearly showing your bias and allegiance, No wonder.
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Are you joking? iranian leaders don't let opposition members out and have put them under house arrest. Do you think that protestors won't get fed up with this type of bullshit and attack back? i've seen people who haven't and wern't part of an attack being killed. There is no excuse for this one shin.
OOOOoooOoo confined to their house. The "excuse" that is quite obvious to me is that those leaders might likely have participated and inflamed the the violence and unpopular revolt.
Protesters: you lost the democratic election, attempting a coup after you lost is a good way to incite violence.
YOUR AN IMBECILE TO BELIEVE THAT! THE FUCKING VOTING WAS RIGGED!!!! THATS WHY THEY PROTESTED!!!
DUUUHHHHH
The leaders were only confined to their house for the duration of the revolts.
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Western people are far to pussy to confront police. although i do agree, the G8 protests are filled with violence, you cannot name one g8 protest in the states where someone was shot to death and killed. Nice try.
Sigh, now i have to link you examples of protesters dying at the hand of western powers?
Granted it's not not as bad as other places in the Middle east.
Another thing we need to differentiate as well though, is the difference between a protest and an unpopular revolt or coup.
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that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)? Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too? how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?


The jewish and united states is not run by Muslim extremists!
That's not my point. There are other types of violent extremists besides Muslim ones.
Such as; Zionist extremists (to keep it relevent.)
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Nuclear power is not green or peaceful.

Nuclear energy Is more green than most all current options on the table.
Not peaceful? duuuhwhat?
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Case in point? You've been exposed as a fraud with serious bias. The US government is violent towards protestors....
Talk about case in point.
The US government certainly would and do get more violent and deadly if protests turn into attempted coups.
Like you say, The US protesters have no balls, If they turned radical revolutionary I'm sure they would be met with deadly force - why else do you think it hasn't happened yet?
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Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.

i care not what you think.
I don't know why I'm replying then, If you care not to expand to ideas outside of your bubble how does that make you any different in that respect than the villains you criticize?
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i have iranian friends. i lived in a small town of over 50% iranians. To be honest, not all iranians are peace loving, but many are.
ALL of my friends and their families, from iran, all hated the regime there.
Would you have guessed? They aren't religious, who would have known? Their moms wouldn't even wear traditional clothing.
Do they live in Iran? Last time i checked, you can move if you don't like the popular religion of Iran.
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i agree with what you say here but again, when given the choice whether to stop in the far future an iran beligerant leader, not complying with iaea, with potential ties to terrorists and the potential to unloud a serious nuclear payload on a city in US/canada/europe, i would rather shred people from iran than shred my own people/potentially my family.
That's a lot of far strung potentials to go killing on.
You could too potentially go violent - lets kill you too okay? just to quell my irrational fear that the 1/100,000,000 chance that one day you might kill me.
How many times do i have to tell you Nukes are against Islam
Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam Nukes are against Islam
There is no evidence Iran is building nukes!
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Sorry, politics is a dirty game. i think were on the same page here, but you seem to have been mislead on a number of topics.
Politics isn't required to be "dirty" at all.
There may be topics i have been mislead on granted.
There maybe be ones you have been mislead on too.
I'm sure of it.
Do you acknowledge that the bomb Iran campaign is primarily perpetrated by Zionists and sympathizers?
Do you acknowledge that the western media conglomerates are primarily owned by Zionists?
Do you acknowledge that Zionists have strong influence over western foreign policy objectives?
If so, do you yourself support Zionism?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Was a serious post?
Yes, you have been "educated" to believe that Magic = harry potter and RPG Video games.
"Magic" in the real world has prominent historic background that spans several millennium.
Typical hard-core high-profile Zionists and indeed many western elite are heavily enveloped in esoteric occult magic and ritual.
Please, research this on your own, i don't want to derail this thread.
I tend to believe that even Jews have been deceived by these occultist entities into a war with Islam on a road towards a higher plan for humanity.
And here I thought I was a filthy pagan conspiracy theorist nutcase. Thanks dude, you just made my day. There are people crazier than me.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
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Was a serious post?
Yes, you have been "educated" to believe that Magic = harry potter and RPG Video games.
"Magic" in the real world has prominent historic background that spans several millennium.
Typical hard-core high-profile Zionists and indeed many western elite are heavily enveloped in esoteric occult magic and ritual.
Please, research this on your own, i don't want to derail this thread.
I tend to believe that even Jews have been deceived by these occultist entities into a war with Islam on a road towards a higher plan for humanity.
And here I thought I was a filthy pagan conspiracy theorist nutcase. Thanks dude, you just made my day. There are people crazier than me.
Lol, it's history; plain for all to see who care to look.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Don't worry man, you'll always be my favorite little filthy pagan conspiracy theorist nutcase
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
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Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Ever wonder why Iran calls The western regime Satanic?
Magic?
You're joking, right?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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TheThinker said: What have I walked into here? Why do so many feel it is the responsibility of the U.S. to run it's war machine over everyone?
I am constantly amazed that so many people choose to live in fear, especially fear of some imagined boogey man.
You can't spend a trillion dollars and not have a little fun with your investment.
Come on now.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Konyap]
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I voted "YAY!" only because "FUCK YEAH!" wasn't a choice.
A little history:
They had a secular democratic government in the 50's, but they were shutting BP out of oil deals, so we toppled their government and installed a fascist government made up of former Nazis.
Then those ungrateful bastards overthrew that government and the Islamic Republican Party filled the resulting power vacuum. So we gave Saddam Hussein a big pile of cash and boatloads of conventional, chemical, and biological weapons, pointed him at Iran, and said "Go get 'em".
Now those kooks call us "The Great Satan" and want nukes for some reason. I think it's high time we stopped pussyfooting around fighting them by proxy and do some real damage.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
TGRR, chill out a bit. Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone.
Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation 
I think the "old man" thing is in response to zappaisgod calling him "kid". I don't think it's intended as an insult, but more of a rib.
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You're a damn liar, old man. I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.
TGRR, chill out a bit. Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone.
Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation 
I think the "old man" thing is in response to zappaisgod calling him "kid". I don't think it's intended as an insult, but more of a rib.
Yeah, but it's ok for Zippy to do shit like that. He's "special".
The rules are an abstract construct to him, and therefore do not exist.
Kind of like the spoon in the Matrix and shit.
That's what makes him a Neo-conservative.
Hi Baby Hitler.
If you feel someone is being treated unfairly or unequally, for better or for worse, then it would be more helpful if you stated a particular reason why you felt that way. From my point of view, zappa is pretty confrontational and passionate, but he seems seldom to cross the line into substantive insults of a person, rather than their arguments. If you see something like that happening, then feel free the report it.
I must have missed the "kid" comment of zappa, and missed the context that phoxy added. Additionally, "old man" certainly strikes me as conotting a more offensive air than "kid", when taken alone, though I agree with phoxy that in context it is not a problem.
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zappaisgod said: I had no problem with him calling me "old man". I am an "old man". At least relative to most of the people here. I don't consider it an insult. Some of you are not going to attain that status. I did. It is not an insult.
I feel the rules should be interpreted with the reasonable forum poster in mind. Just as someone with extraordinary sensitives wouldn't get the "privilege" of preventing otherwise-acceptable conduct that caused him particular distress, so too would someone without such cares not exempt comments towards him from consideration under the rules.
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PurpleMushroomZeta said: I voted "YAY!" only because "FUCK YEAH!" wasn't a choice.
A little history:
They had a secular democratic government in the 50's, but they were shutting BP out of oil deals, so we toppled their government and installed a fascist government made up of former Nazis.
Then those ungrateful bastards overthrew that government and the Islamic Republican Party filled the resulting power vacuum. So we gave Saddam Hussein a big pile of cash and boatloads of conventional, chemical, and biological weapons, pointed him at Iran, and said "Go get 'em".
Now those kooks call us "The Great Satan" and want nukes for some reason. I think it's high time we stopped pussyfooting around fighting them by proxy and do some real damage.
Oh shit! I need to change my vote to FUCK YEAH. America, FUCK YEAH! Comin' again to save the muthafuckin' day.
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A little history:
They had a secular democratic government in the 50's, but they were shutting BP out of oil deals, so we toppled their government and installed a fascist government made up of former Nazis.
Then those ungrateful bastards overthrew that government and the Islamic Republican Party filled the resulting power vacuum. So we gave Saddam Hussein a big pile of cash and boatloads of conventional, chemical, and biological weapons, pointed him at Iran, and said "Go get 'em".
Now those kooks call us "The Great Satan" and want nukes for some reason. I think it's high time we stopped pussyfooting around fighting them by proxy and do some real damage.
Oh shit! I need to change my vote to FUCK YEAH. America, FUCK YEAH! Comin' again to save the muthafuckin' day.
We will be greeted by grateful, American flag-waving Iranians.
Bank on it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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A little history:
They had a secular democratic government in the 50's, but they were shutting BP out of oil deals, so we toppled their government and installed a fascist government made up of former Nazis.
Then those ungrateful bastards overthrew that government and the Islamic Republican Party filled the resulting power vacuum. So we gave Saddam Hussein a big pile of cash and boatloads of conventional, chemical, and biological weapons, pointed him at Iran, and said "Go get 'em".
Now those kooks call us "The Great Satan" and want nukes for some reason. I think it's high time we stopped pussyfooting around fighting them by proxy and do some real damage.
i think you might be to hungry to kill people and have alot of pent up anger.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
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Nice first post 
Way to gloss over the entire rest of it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Canis latrans said: How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Ah, so it's your fault then. I, for one, don't support the troops. Some people blame Bush for all this mess 
I blame the troops.
Look people, I know you like to pretend the world is all Cowboys and Indigenous Americans.. pew pew pew. It's not like that. How many more thousands of years more proof do you need that all wars with exception are the result of monied interests protecting their own?
The troops, to a man, wear the people who said to themselves: "this is bullshit, I'm about to go in and blow up a bunch of kids and women who never did me any harm, and who never would... but the pay is too good to pass up"
Blame Bush, my arse.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Shins said: Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?
Ever wonder why Iran calls The western regime Satanic?
Magic?
You're joking, right?
LOL, was going to say something about that.
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Canis latrans said: I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
Afraid of a differing opinion?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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Finding someone's comments vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent and not worth reading does not indicate fear.
There is also the mind numbing stupidity of this statement: "getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping"
No we are not getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping. We, and they, are getting blown up by international pariahs, thugs and murderers with no interest execpt to subjugate and rule a populace that would obviously rather they went away. If the people or Iraq wanted those assholes in power they would have voted for them. They don't. Canis Latrans seems to believe that the people of Iraq want to be ruled by the bombing nitwits, whose victims are overwhelmingly the people of Iraq. A stunningly stupid lie.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Finding someone's comments vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent and not worth reading does not indicate fear.
There is also the mind numbing stupidity of this statement: "getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping"
No we are not getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping. We, and they, are getting blown up by international pariahs, thugs and murderers with no interest execpt to subjugate and rule a populace that would obviously rather they went away. If the people or Iraq wanted those assholes in power they would have voted for them. They don't. Canis Latrans seems to believe that the people of Iraq want to be ruled by the bombing nitwits, whose victims are overwhelmingly the people of Iraq. A stunningly stupid lie.
Speaking of vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent.....
Oddly enough the people making the IED's are Iraqi. But let's not let facts get in the way here. Like the fact that these people have been killing each other for a couple of thousand years, over religion.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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There is also the mind numbing stupidity of this statement: "getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping"
No we are not getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping. We, and they, are getting blown up by international pariahs, thugs and murderers with no interest execpt to subjugate and rule a populace that would obviously rather they went away. If the people or Iraq wanted those assholes in power they would have voted for them. They don't. Canis Latrans seems to believe that the people of Iraq want to be ruled by the bombing nitwits, whose victims are overwhelmingly the people of Iraq. A stunningly stupid lie.
Speaking of vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent.....
Oddly enough the people making the IED's are Iraqi. But let's not let facts get in the way here. Like the fact that these people have been killing each other for a couple of thousand years, over religion.
Some of them are and some of them aren't. Did you know that some of the people who commit murder and rape in America are Americans? Fucking amazing, huh? Should we put them in charge and let them do as they please?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Finding someone's comments vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent and not worth reading does not indicate fear.
There is also the mind numbing stupidity of this statement: "getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping"
No we are not getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping. We, and they, are getting blown up by international pariahs, thugs and murderers with no interest execpt to subjugate and rule a populace that would obviously rather they went away. If the people or Iraq wanted those assholes in power they would have voted for them. They don't. Canis Latrans seems to believe that the people of Iraq want to be ruled by the bombing nitwits, whose victims are overwhelmingly the people of Iraq. A stunningly stupid lie.
Speaking of vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent.....
Oddly enough the people making the IED's are Iraqi. But let's not let facts get in the way here. Like the fact that these people have been killing each other for a couple of thousand years, over religion.
Some of them are and some of them aren't. Did you know that some of the people who commit murder and rape in America are Americans? Fucking amazing, huh? Should we put them in charge and let them do as they please?

Do you ever take time to consider what you type before you hit the post button?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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Every time. Is it your opinion that the majority of Iraqis support the bombers? Because only a moron would believe that. If it were true there would be a lot more activity than the random bombing.
You're out of your league.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
Afraid of a differing opinion?
not at all. However I do believe in following the forum rules about flaming.
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You're out of your league.
heh.
Nowhere did I say or imply that. Why can't you stay on topic? Your petty insults aren't really adding anything here either.
Why can't you admit Iraqis hate each other based on religious differences? They don't trust each other and whoever ends up as the ruling party will likely persecute the other.
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Canis latrans said: I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
Afraid of a differing opinion?
not at all. However I do believe in following the forum rules about flaming.
Too bad zappa doesn't.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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PurpleMushroomZeta said: I voted "YAY!" only because "FUCK YEAH!" wasn't a choice.
A little history:
They had a secular democratic government in the 50's, but they were shutting BP out of oil deals, so we toppled their government and installed a fascist government made up of former Nazis.
Then those ungrateful bastards overthrew that government and the Islamic Republican Party filled the resulting power vacuum. So we gave Saddam Hussein a big pile of cash and boatloads of conventional, chemical, and biological weapons, pointed him at Iran, and said "Go get 'em".
Now those kooks call us "The Great Satan" and want nukes for some reason. I think it's high time we stopped pussyfooting around fighting them by proxy and do some real damage.
i think you might be to hungry to kill people and have alot of pent up anger.
Not true. I won't be doing any killing. I will be watching us bring Democracy to Iran from my living room.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14053862 - 03/02/11 10:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Every time. Is it your opinion that the majority of Iraqis support the bombers? Because only a moron would believe that. If it were true there would be a lot more activity than the random bombing.
You're out of your league.
heh.
Nowhere did I say or imply that. Why can't you stay on topic? Your petty insults aren't really adding anything here either.
Canis latrans did and it is on topic for this thread. Who the fuck is this 15 post member that she thinks she can tell this site how to act?Quote:
Why can't you admit Iraqis hate each other based on religious differences? They don't trust each other and whoever ends up as the ruling party will likely persecute the other.
Because I think it is incorrect. The vast majority of the Iraqi people aren't extremist murdering lunatics.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14053875 - 03/02/11 10:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: Iran's leaders and a large percentage of Iranians seem opposed to the dealings of Americans and Israelis, around the globe, particularly when they inflict changes to the Muslim countries.
Chants saying death to america, threats to Israels sovereignty, reports that may or may not implicate IRAN in aiding terrorism and a constitution wrought with anit-soveriegn, anti-democratic rule of the citizenry and a government that kills on behalf of protests, calling for the detention of opposition leaders - can these things describe IRAN?
I think most do, particularly the constitutional/protest violence/death to america and anti-israel chants/speeches.
In the last three years Israel has threatened that it will perform a military strike against their nuclear facilities.
Where's I can vote to promote military action against Israel?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14053905 - 03/02/11 10:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually he stays within forum guidelines no matter what his intent may be. For better or worse that's the rules of the game here.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Every time. Is it your opinion that the majority of Iraqis support the bombers? Because only a moron would believe that. If it were true there would be a lot more activity than the random bombing.
You're out of your league.
heh.
Nowhere did I say or imply that. Why can't you stay on topic? Your petty insults aren't really adding anything here either.
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Why can't you admit Iraqis hate each other based on religious differences? They don't trust each other and whoever ends up as the ruling party will likely persecute the other.
Because I think it is incorrect. The vast majority of the Iraqi people aren't extremist murdering lunatics.
On October 15, 2005, more than 63% of eligible Iraqis came out across the country to vote on whether to accept or reject the new constitution. On October 25, the vote was certified and the constitution passed with a 78% overall majority, with the percentage of support varying widely between the country's territories.[87] The new constitution had overwhelming backing among the Shia and Ķurdish communities, but was overwhelmingly rejected by Arab Sunnis. Three majority Arab Sunni provinces rejected it (Salah ad Din with 82% against, Ninawa with 55% against, and Al Anbar with 97% against).
Under the terms the constitution, the country conducted fresh nationwide parliamentary elections on December 15 to elect a new government. The overwhelming majority of all three major ethnic groups in Iraq voted along ethnic lines, turning this vote into more of an ethnic census than a competitive election, and setting the stage for the division of the country along ethnic lines.
Iraqi politicians have been under significant threat by the various factions that have promoted violence as a political weapon. The ongoing violence in Iraq has been incited by an amalgam of religious extremists that believe an Islamic Caliphate should rule, old sectarian regime members that had ruled under Saddam that want back the power they had, and Iraqi nationalists that are fighting the U.S. military presence.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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That doesn't contradict what I said nor does it establish that vast tracts are going to be persecuted. Did you know that Negroes make up about 15% of the US population and have experienced disparately poor economic performance yet there is a half Negro president? Your facts do not necessarily prove you premise. In fact what you have posted kind of smacks it in the nuts by citing extremists, Baathist deadenders and generic America haters solely as the perpetrators.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14053998 - 03/02/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: That doesn't contradict what I said nor does it establish that vast tracts are going to be persecuted. Did you know that Negroes make up about 15% of the US population and have experienced disparately poor economic performance yet there is a half Negro president? Your facts do not necessarily prove you premise. In fact what you have posted kind of smacks it in the nuts by citing extremists, Baathist deadenders and generic America haters solely as the perpetrators.
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The ongoing violence in Iraq has been incited by an amalgam of religious extremists that believe an Islamic Caliphate should rule, old sectarian regime members that had ruled under Saddam that want back the power they had, and Iraqi nationalists that are fighting the U.S. military presence.
Negroes???? Good grief.
A hydra-like insurgency has since blossomed in the wreckage of Iraq. As the U.S. primarily seeks to build a democratic future for Iraq, Sunni insurgents under the apparent leadership of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi seek to spawn civil war between them and the Shi'a. Thus far Shi'a restraint, despite the incessant bombing, has been remarkable. On October 15th, 2005 the Iraqi constitution was approved, though Sunni participation in the ratification was minimal. The constitution itself reflects the sectarian tensions that inhere within the Iraqi political climate. The document explicitly recognizes that Iraq is a "multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect country." It also provides for impressive local power under the guise of a loose federalism. Even now the Kurds run commercials on American television in what might be an ad campaign to garner support for a possible secession of Kurdistan from the fledging democratic Iraq. The Kurdish initial desire for the constitution reserved them the right to secede altogether.
Shi'a participation in the new democracy has been more straightforward, but is also a product of their 60% hold on the electorate. Democracy intimately serves their purposes as a sect and does not necessarily reflect any greater unity within Iraq itself.
In the end the visions of placid elections are buried in the wider perspective by internecine violence that seems to shiver Iraq along lines well ingrained in her society. The belief, of late, is that democracy can remake men in its own image and that previous matters bear little on the fate of countries. The history of Iraq casts a dubious light on the great experiment. In its short existence Iraq has been a nation irreconcilable to itself. In outlook, faith, and allegiances the people have little in common save their shared geography. This is usually insufficient cause to save men from their centuries-old divisiveness.
Now that the demographics of democracy look to propel the Shi'a into power it becomes increasingly probable that Iraq will fall under the shadow of her Shi'a patron, Iran. Kurdish interests will continue apart from the politics of Baghdad. The Shi'a have neither the will nor the power to prevent the Kurds from escaping the pull of Baghdad's weak gravity. The Sunni, formerly the privileged of Iraq, will find their lot in life much diminished. Without hope of real power via democracy the Sunni may decide with greater force that sedition suits them more closely. To control this militant and intractable faction the Shi'a will, in time, come to resort to the same violence that once held them in check. Force in Iraqi politics will remain paramount though the sword rests in new hands.
I doubt this will help as you seem to have a predisposed idea and have convinced yourself it is the truth.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14054041 - 03/02/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course the Shia will have more representatives. I do not concur that that necessitates violent resistance by most Shia.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14054080 - 03/02/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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Did conservatives fire bomb cities when Obama won election?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14054145 - 03/02/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I worry that you may have a reading comprehension issue. I apologize for making such long posts and will try to keep them shorter in the future. Will that help at all?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14054434 - 03/02/11 12:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Forum rules require you to provide links to cut-and-paste jobs. Almost all of your substantive points so far are not your own words, but rather unlinked, uncredited cut-and-paste blocks of text from other sources that are - in at least one case - five years out of date.
Please either go back and edit your existing posts to include the links to these sources, or make a new post indicating which sources you have been using.
Despite what you may think, so far nothing you have provided supports your assertions, which is why zappaisgod is still on your case about it. Do some Sunni Iraqi 'splodeydopes hate some Shi'ite Iraqis or Kurdish Iraqis enough to target them with suicide bomb attacks and IEDs? Certainly. That does nothing to show institutionalized persecution is built in to either the Iraqi constitution or the current Iraqi government.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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Canis latrans said: I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
I don't hate people for disagreeing with me. I hate you people for wishing to put other members of your nation in harms way without having been in any branch of the service. Are you personally willing to get shipped into a foreign land, engage another conventional armed force, have aircraft bomb you, artillery shell you, engage main battle tanks with small arms, go from door to door clearing a city hoping that you didn't miss an IED on a door or that Achmed and his crew isn't waiting with small arms, sleep in your barely effective bady armor with your personal weapon loaded next to you while being crammed inside a STRYKER or other armored vehicle that was designed to hold half the number of men that is currently holding, drag half of your buddy behind cover and hope the tourniquets are enough to keep him from bleeding out? Are any of you willing to do this? Or would you rather, when faced with the possibility of war and all its horrors, maybe not jump the gun and start rabble rousing for a war that we might not need to fight?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Forum rules require you to provide links to cut-and-paste jobs. Almost all of your substantive points so far are not your own words, but rather unlinked, uncredited cut-and-paste blocks of text from other sources that are - in at least one case - five years out of date.
Please either go back and edit your existing posts to include the links to these sources, or make a new post indicating which sources you have been using.
Despite what you may think, so far nothing you have provided supports your assertions, which is why zappaisgod is still on your case about it. Do some Sunni Iraqi 'splodeydopes hate some Shi'ite Iraqis or Kurdish Iraqis enough to target them with suicide bomb attacks and IEDs? Certainly. That does nothing to show institutionalized persecution is built in to either the Iraqi constitution or the current Iraqi government.
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http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/11/26/151628/46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq
In its 85 year history Iraq has been torn largely in part due to religious differences. How do the articles posted not support this?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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I hate you people for wishing to put other members of your nation in harms way without having been in any branch of the service.
Please show me where I said anything about putting members of my nation in harms way. 
I don't want to see any reasonable person put in harms way. I think you don't really know what I believe about our military and how they should be used to defend this country. And yes I would be willing to fight to defend my country against attack IF I believed were were not responsible in some way for the attack and we were really being threatened. Which I did not believe was happening in Viet Nam nor did I in Iraq.
You can also tell me how making a post saying you hate everyone here is reasonable?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Canis latrans said: I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
I don't hate people for disagreeing with me. I hate you people for wishing to put other members of your nation in harms way without having been in any branch of the service. Are you personally willing to get shipped into a foreign land, engage another conventional armed force, have aircraft bomb you, artillery shell you, engage main battle tanks with small arms, go from door to door clearing a city hoping that you didn't miss an IED on a door or that Achmed and his crew isn't waiting with small arms, sleep in your barely effective bady armor with your personal weapon loaded next to you while being crammed inside a STRYKER or other armored vehicle that was designed to hold half the number of men that is currently holding, drag half of your buddy behind cover and hope the tourniquets are enough to keep him from bleeding out? Are any of you willing to do this? Or would you rather, when faced with the possibility of war and all its horrors, maybe not jump the gun and start rabble rousing for a war that we might not need to fight?
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. We, the taxpayers are paying you to do a job, so do it and quit complaining.
Anyway, I support the troops. I have a magnetic ribbon on the back of my Explorer that says so.
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Canis latrans said: I hate all of you with a passion. I hope to the gods that you are all just 12 or are other wise not in positions to effect change US national policy, especially as far as it concerns waging war and invading another conventional power.
How many of you fine gentlemen, and ladies, are or have been in the service? Even those of my blood thirstiest battle buddies would rather not invade Iran, would rather we weren't in 'Stan or Iraq getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping.
You all make me sick.
Thanks for hating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Now I suggest you go away forever.
I don't hate people for disagreeing with me. I hate you people for wishing to put other members of your nation in harms way without having been in any branch of the service. Are you personally willing to get shipped into a foreign land, engage another conventional armed force, have aircraft bomb you, artillery shell you, engage main battle tanks with small arms, go from door to door clearing a city hoping that you didn't miss an IED on a door or that Achmed and his crew isn't waiting with small arms, sleep in your barely effective bady armor with your personal weapon loaded next to you while being crammed inside a STRYKER or other armored vehicle that was designed to hold half the number of men that is currently holding, drag half of your buddy behind cover and hope the tourniquets are enough to keep him from bleeding out? Are any of you willing to do this? Or would you rather, when faced with the possibility of war and all its horrors, maybe not jump the gun and start rabble rousing for a war that we might not need to fight?
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. We, the taxpayers are paying you to do a job, so do it and quit complaining.
Anyway, I support the troops. I have a magnetic ribbon on the back of my Explorer that says so.
Hell, that should help at least two families here waiting on a soldiers return pay utility bills.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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Negroes???? Good grief.
Tell it to these guys - http://www.uncf.org/contactus/index.asp
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Tell it to these guys - http://www.uncf.org/contactus/index.asp
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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Please show me where I said anything about putting members of my nation in harms way. 
I don't want to see any reasonable person put in harms way. I think you don't really know what I believe about our military and how they should be used to defend this country. And yes I would be willing to fight to defend my country against attack IF I believed were were not responsible in some way for the attack and we were really being threatened. Which I did not believe was happening in Viet Nam nor did I in Iraq.
You can also tell me how making a post saying you hate everyone here is reasonable?
Are you going to address my points or persist in feeling as though I personally declared undying enmity and hatred towards you?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14055555 - 03/02/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hate you people
You did declare it. You can't deny what is in print.
What point didn't I address?
And btw I agree with the other poster who said you got paid to do a job and nobody forced you into it. I have no idea why you would think you are entitled to anything but what the job was about. I don't owe you shit. I also think you should quit whining.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14055580 - 03/02/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Finding someone's comments vile, ignorant, insulting, uninformative, belligerent and not worth reading does not indicate fear.
There is also the mind numbing stupidity of this statement: "getting blown up by the people we are supposedly helping"
Sure. We just have to make sure the next people we liberate know to throw rose petals instead of bullets, right?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Stay classy, Zap.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
#14055592 - 03/02/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: Iran's leaders and a large percentage of Iranians seem opposed to the dealings of Americans and Israelis, around the globe, particularly when they inflict changes to the Muslim countries.
Chants saying death to america, threats to Israels sovereignty, reports that may or may not implicate IRAN in aiding terrorism and a constitution wrought with anit-soveriegn, anti-democratic rule of the citizenry and a government that kills on behalf of protests, calling for the detention of opposition leaders - can these things describe IRAN?
I think most do, particularly the constitutional/protest violence/death to america and anti-israel chants/speeches.
In the last three years Israel has threatened that it will perform a military strike against their nuclear facilities.
Where's I can vote to promote military action against Israel?
Beirut.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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I voted nay.. Seems everyone in this thread is a little crazy..
Many of you seem very uneducated on the recent history of the Middle east, only in the past few months have some of the iron fist western dictators started to disappear. Mubarak, Ben Ali, Abdullah Saleh, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, the various royal families of Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain... Musharraf in Pakistan, Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan.. Shah Pahlavi in Iran... Bashar Al-Assad in Syria and the King of Jordan.. and the various engineered collapses of these states across the middle east were caused to perpetuate the flow of oil into the west. You can take any of those names or countries and ask me for a legitimate CIA, US, or European connection to the overthrow of a process to a democratic government.
I am sure that there will be plenty of heat for saying that without posting some inane list of copy pasted sources that you can pick through, but if you really want it, I will find it.
The main point of this post however is to.. perhaps open your eyes on Iran? It's nuclear program and the regime currently in power are at a tipping point, and to understand the reason why they are able to postulate such a threat to the west you must understand the history.
Why not take a quick lesson from our pot head friend Rick Steves? I know you don't have the patience to sit and watch a boring documentary about supposed towelheads, but I cut it up into manageable chapters of fact that should.. perhaps make you shut the fuck up?
7:15 - 13:37 (Short history of Mossadeq and Iran) 14:00 - 17:00 (University Students) 20:00 - 21:45 (Khomeini) 32:30 - 36:45 (Sunni v Shiite and a longer piece on Iran and Iraq war) 40:00 - 42:00 ("Love" in Iran) 42:00 - 44:00 (Rick Steves talks Zoroastrian)
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Consider that the west has, for the past hundred years, perpetuated a colonial regime on the majority of countries in the Middle east. The people of these countries are not educated, they do not have the tools that we do, and even from the most squalid and beat down conditions the heart of revolution can still spring up against oppressive forces. I'd say the fact that mass protests in Iran and other countries are still happening is a good indication that we won't need war to start to get this slice of the world to progress.
You tell me, what good would war do for the people of Iran? Who still have Mousavi and a growing and ever more bitter population of youth who continue to wage a nonviolent protest on the streets of Tehran some three months after the Green Revolution's clout ran out?
The vast majority of insurgents who pour into the two hotzones of the middle east come from Saudi Arabia and its satellites( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/22/iraq.peterwalker1 ), which are US funded and vehemently US supported instilling a hardline Wahhabi regime in those countries. Take a break, it's one thing to get executed for being a homosexual, Saudi Arabia openly executes anyone who uses "Sorcery" in there country ( http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/saudi-arabia-sorcery-death-sentence-upheld-2010-03-18 ). The laws in these countries are Archaic, and are there are worse honor killings in Iraq and Saudi Arabia every day. So to take one point about one country in the middle east executing homosexuals or any minority is silly. Do I Agree with it? No, I think it's disgusting and it shows that they are not c.
WHILE Mahmoud Ahmadeinejad is a huge dipshit who I believe should be deposed he still is not saying things like "There are no homosexuals in Iran", incorrectly translated and played on western media to the extreme, this quote has served to vilify the Iranian people time after time on the Fox news network. The correct translation is that there is no open homosexuality in Iran as it is considered taboo, there are no gay pride parades or hedonistic displays of lust. It's a cultural thing, a wrong cultural thing yes, but it should be corrected by the people, not bombed into submission. That is what they are trying to do, the fact is that we ruined Democracy in the middle east many, many times in order to keep a fluid flow to the oil. His comment on Israel that it should "be wiped off the face of the map" translates to the borders of the country being erased and a new Palestinian run government set up, not some apocalyptic fiery catastrophe of nuclear carnage that engulfs the region.
Please don't get me started on Israel either, as they are an affront to freedom and democracy, I mean, look at what JUST happened to the government there, you are going to tell me they are not some of the most heavily corrupted fucks in the world?
People need to stop attaching such significance to a "Jewish Homeland" There is not one, there wasn't one before 1935 except for eastern Europe. There was a mass immigration that displaced four million Palestinians today,but there was no Jewish Homeland, sorry guys.
Iraq and Afghanistan are the two loudest examples of why we shouldn't ever invade another country, and the fact that so many of you are willing to tie up our future with the cost of another war that would unify the borders of all these countries and dump a massive amount of arms and aid into the hands of insurgents worldwide makes me very worried for the future. Big logical mistakes here buddies..
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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You did declare it. You can't deny what is in print.
What point didn't I address?
And btw I agree with the other poster who said you got paid to do a job and nobody forced you into it. I have no idea why you would think you are entitled to anything but what the job was about. I don't owe you shit. I also think you should quit whining.
So you are saying that I, and my brothers in arms, have no say at all in where get sent, that we are just supposed to shut up, suit up, and get blown up because YOU think we should go to war for what is at this time rather sketchy reasoning. So our opinions not only as service members, but also as fellow taxpayers, voters and oh ya CITIZENS mean nothing to you. All because we chose to put ourselves out there to DEFEND this country? Sure I will follow the orders of the President of the United States of America and those of the officers appointed over me, so long as they are legal and moral. If I were to come up on orders right now that said I was to go to Iran this second and get air dropped in, I would go, because I did sign that contract, and I do obey lawful orders. That does NOT mean that I desire an armed conflict with Iran, or N. Korea for that matter.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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You did declare it. You can't deny what is in print.
What point didn't I address?
And btw I agree with the other poster who said you got paid to do a job and nobody forced you into it. I have no idea why you would think you are entitled to anything but what the job was about. I don't owe you shit. I also think you should quit whining.
So you are saying that I, and my brothers in arms, have no say at all in where get sent, that we are just supposed to shut up, suit up, and get blown up because YOU think we should go to war for what is at this time rather sketchy reasoning. So our opinions not only as service members, but also as fellow taxpayers, voters and oh ya CITIZENS mean nothing to you. All because we chose to put ourselves out there to DEFEND this country? Sure I will follow the orders of the President of the United States of America and those of the officers appointed over me, so long as they are legal and moral. If I were to come up on orders right now that said I was to go to Iran this second and get air dropped in, I would go, because I did sign that contract, and I do obey lawful orders. That does NOT mean that I desire an armed conflict with Iran, or N. Korea for that matter.
1. This is commonly known as "the bravery of being out of range", and is very common among the right. I can give prominent examples on request.
2. It is the position of many Americans that, since soldiers are volunteers, it's perfectly okay to throw their lives away...As long as you put one of those little magnetic stickers on your SUV. Yep. That's what you're defending.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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I worry that you may have a reading comprehension issue. I apologize for making such long posts and will try to keep them shorter in the future. Will that help at all?
No conservatives are generally shiney happy people when their out of the spot light making all there new friends in such, they wait until after they get into power to fire, embezzle and piss away our cities.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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So you are saying that I, and my brothers in arms, have no say at all in where get sent, that we are just supposed to shut up, suit up, and get blown up because YOU think we should go to war for what is at this time rather sketchy reasoning.
That's usually how a military works. Sign a contract do the job. What did you think was going to happen. You think we're the good guys? There are no good guys.
But you think I want to go to war with these countries? Didn't you even bother to read my reply to you where I stated I didn't think we should have been in Nam or Iraq. I see no basis for us invading Iran either. As long as they aren't invading our soil I'd just as soon leave them to kill each other over there. Our real interests in that region imo is oil and we'll do whatever it takes to get it for my car, my house, my business and my pleasure. The powerful almost always act in this fashion.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So you are saying that I, and my brothers in arms, have no say at all in where get sent, that we are just supposed to shut up, suit up, and get blown up because YOU think we should go to war for what is at this time rather sketchy reasoning.
That's usually how a military works. Sign a contract do the job. What did you think was going to happen. You think we're the good guys? There are no good guys.
But you think I want to go to war with these countries? Didn't you even bother to read my reply to you where I stated I didn't think we should have been in Nam or Iraq. I see no basis for us invading Iran either. As long as they aren't invading our soil I'd just as soon leave them to kill each other over there. Our real interests in that region imo is oil and we'll do whatever it takes to get it for my car, my house, my business and my pleasure. The powerful almost always act in this fashion.
And all of that is ok with you? Never mind that the military, while ultimately commanded by a man who may or may not have ever served, is run by men and women who are serving. Our opinions should carry more weight than those of the citizenry who 1) don't want to serve out cowardice, 2) can't serve for moral or legal reason, or 3) who can't serve for mental reasons. I signed a contract to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and this nation, not to Fill the Pockets of those in Power. If by doing the first I do the second, then well fuck at least I am defending my people.
That being said, I did previously ask what made you think I specifically addressing you. You do seem fixated on making me out to be an anti-social hate-filled internet thug by making yourself out to be the unfair victim of my hate. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't put it on and cry that it is pinching your toes.
But hey thanks for saying that I should shut up and do the bidding of my masters like a mindless slave with no thought of why. It makes me very grateful to have raised my right hand and don this uniform, knowing that the people I am willing to put myself at risk for simply want me to stfu, make with the killing, but not talk about it so they can conveniently place it out their minds, while assuaging any residual guilt they might have with yellow ribbon magnets on their gas guzzlers.
I do hate you Icelander, not because you want us to go to a pointless war, but that you think that we have no say so in the matter at all.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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That's usually how a military works. Sign a contract do the job. What did you think was going to happen. You think we're the good guys? There are no good guys.
But you think I want to go to war with these countries? Didn't you even bother to read my reply to you where I stated I didn't think we should have been in Nam or Iraq. I see no basis for us invading Iran either. As long as they aren't invading our soil I'd just as soon leave them to kill each other over there. Our real interests in that region imo is oil and we'll do whatever it takes to get it for my car, my house, my business and my pleasure. The powerful almost always act in this fashion.
And all of that is ok with you? Never mind that the military, while ultimately commanded by a man who may or may not have ever served, is run by men and women who are serving. Our opinions should carry more weight than those of the citizenry who 1) don't want to serve out cowardice, 2) can't serve for moral or legal reason, or 3) who can't serve for mental reasons. I signed a contract to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and this nation, not to Fill the Pockets of those in Power. If by doing the first I do the second, then well fuck at least I am defending my people.
That being said, I did previously ask what made you think I specifically addressing you. You do seem fixated on making me out to be an anti-social hate-filled internet thug by making yourself out to be the unfair victim of my hate. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't put it on and cry that it is pinching your toes.
But hey thanks for saying that I should shut up and do the bidding of my masters like a mindless slave with no thought of why. It makes me very grateful to have raised my right hand and don this uniform, knowing that the people I am willing to put myself at risk for simply want me to stfu, make with the killing, but not talk about it so they can conveniently place it out their minds, while assuaging any residual guilt they might have with yellow ribbon magnets on their gas guzzlers.
I do hate you Icelander, not because you want us to go to a pointless war, but that you think that we have no say so in the matter at all.
Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
1. Because they can collect it.
2. Because voting doesn't seem to actually change anything.
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
We're working on the voting thing. Also, according to the Constitution, you count as 1/3 of a real person, so you should pay 1/3 taxes. But we are working on it so that yuo will actually pay 3 times taxes. Sorry for the discrepancy, we hope you understand.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Seems like hate is your middle name.
I never said any of it is ok with me. I said that's the way militaries work. It's not ok with me and that's why I wasn't stupid enough to think if I joined up I'd have a say in what I was told to do.
And I never thought you were specifically addressing me. Man is that dumb. You said you hated all of us. And people like you, hate filled flamers just muck up the discussion and flow of debate here and that's why I commented on your stupid ignorant post.
And I never thought you shouldn't have a voice but maybe you should have used it while you were in the military instead of coming here and whining. Nobody ever made you do anything so quite acting like they did or are or will.
I've been against every war we've engaged in in my adult lifetime. If you were against them then you should have had the smarts and the guts to stay out of the military. Or you should have gotten yourself out in anyway you needed to once you realized you weren't in moral agreement.
I'm not even in disagreement with your basic position about war but I'm in total disagreement with what you represent and I never asked you to defend me in wars that I don't agree with. So yes, please stfu.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Seems like hate is your middle name.
I never said any of it is ok with me. I said that's the way militaries work. It's not ok with me and that's why I wasn't stupid enough to think if I joined up I'd have a say in what I was told to do.
And I never thought you were specifically addressing me. Man is that dumb. You said you hated all of us. And people like you, hate filled flamers just muck up the discussion and flow of debate here and that's why I commented on your stupid ignorant post.
And I never thought you shouldn't have a voice but maybe you should have used it while you were in the military instead of coming here and whining. Nobody ever made you do anything so quite acting like they did or are or will.
I've been against every war we've engaged in in my adult lifetime. If you were against them then you should have had the smarts and the guts to stay out of the military. Or you should have gotten yourself out in anyway you needed to once you realized you weren't in moral agreement.
I'm not even in disagreement with your basic position about war but I'm in total disagreement with what you represent and I never asked you to defend me in wars that I don't agree with. So yes, please stfu.
So your entire stance is that because I don't agree with what is going on, or more specifically that I don't agree with some of the assholes here in their ignorant desire for a war with Iran that it is "tough cookies you signed your life away"? Thank you for attacking the poster instead of the individual points. And thank you for taking what I posted to heart. I can really tell that I touched a nerve. If I were in fact intending to muck up your glorious discussion I would have done so. Instead I stated my personal feelings on the manner of people that are willing to send other people to war in their stead. And just FYI I am still a citizen. I can still vote, and I allowed to express my opinion, however I did give up a lot of the wonderful privileges and rights you all feel so entitled to, but have from I have seen, so far done nothing to deserve them at all aside from being born the right side of the border.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Get over yourself. You can get yourself discharged anytime you really want to live out your beliefs.
Again since you have comprehension problems I think you have the right to believe anything you want and act on those beliefs. So act already.
As to the rights and privileges I feel entitled to, I don't. They came with the package of being born into this culture. Part of the good and not so good of being here. I didn't ask to be born or be born here. Just happened that way.
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Icelander said: Get over yourself. You can get yourself discharged anytime you really want to live out your beliefs.
Again since you have comprehension problems I think you have the right to believe anything you want and act on those beliefs. So act already.
As to the rights and privileges I feel entitled to, I don't. They came with the package of being born into this culture. Part of the good and not so good of being here. I didn't ask to be born or be born here. Just happened that way.
Then, politely and respectfully, stop seeking insults. If my posts have nothing to do with you, butt out.
And just an FYI, I am being discharged, my contract is due to expire and I won't be renewing it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
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Seeking insults? You hate everyone here. I assumed I'm part of everyone. Plus you restated your hatred for me personally I'm proud to say. You really aren't willing to be responsible for what you say are you.
I'm glad you're making it out of the military (alive) for your sake.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
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Who is she?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Friskies]
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Well Canas if you get hurt, don't let them send you here. They shut down the OR at the St. Louis VA hospital. Seems they gave a "few" people Hep C and exposed "some others" to HIV.
YAY Government!!!
If our troops were somewhere honestly fighting for America's freedom,existance, survival, etc. then I would be one of the first to say stfu. I don't feel we belong anywhere in the mideast. We need to bring our troops home and focus them elsewhere.
Unfortunately it's oil making the decisions for the troops and until that changes (HA HA NOT) nobody is coming home.
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And just an FYI, I am being discharged, my contract is due to expire and I won't be renewing it.
Good. Get the fuck out. You seem to believe that because you are Private Manning you have a special status to determine policy. You do not. Never have, never will. Nobody elected you, nobody asked you, nobody gives a shit what you think. If you want to make policy then run for election. Until then your vote is no more than anyone else's.
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ChelleLaBelle said: Well Canas if you get hurt, don't let them send you here. They shut down the OR at the St. Louis VA hospital. Seems they gave a "few" people Hep C and exposed "some others" to HIV.
YAY Government!!!
If our troops were somewhere honestly fighting for America's freedom,existance, survival, etc. then I would be one of the first to say stfu. I don't feel we belong anywhere in the mideast. We need to bring our troops home and focus them elsewhere.
Unfortunately it's oil making the decisions for the troops and until that changes (HA HA NOT) nobody is coming home.
The Wounded Warrior Hospital here is doing some very good work. A great deal of what they see is PTSD and that is a tough one. Still plenty of kids coming back shot to hell though.
At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
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At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
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Icelander said: At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
One of the spitters was almost elected President.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well you know how I feel about politicians.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059182 - 03/03/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
I know. I can still hear chants of "Baby Killer!" It was not an all volunteer force in those days, the draft was alive and well. Those kids had no choice at all. Hell, one guy offered to pay me $300.00 to ruin his knee so he wouldn't have to go.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14059201 - 03/03/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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They had a choice. It was a hard choice but many didn't fight a war they believed was wrong. I was lucky, the war was winding down and my draft number was very high. Otherwise you'd be most likely talking to a Canadian right now.
My point is that we are all responsible in some degree for what happens in our country.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059262 - 03/03/11 10:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: They had a choice. It was a hard choice but many didn't fight a war they believed was wrong. I was lucky, the war was winding down and my draft number was very high. Otherwise you'd be most likely talking to a Canadian right now.
My point is that we are all responsible in some degree for what happens in our country.
Most had no choice at all. Giving up family was too much for so many. I volunteered, and just missed the dance, I shouldn't have missed it but it worked out that way. We were kids, and a lot of us were sold on the America The Great package.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14059307 - 03/03/11 10:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can you say they had no choice? Thats ridiculous. Even if someone puts a gun to your head you have a choice. About the only thing you don't have choice about is being born.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059341 - 03/03/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: How can you say they had no choice? Thats ridiculous. Even if someone puts a gun to your head you have a choice. About the only thing you don't have choice about is being born.
I posit that many, if not most, would have and did conclude that the results of exercising their choice were far worse than doing what they had to do.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14059574 - 03/03/11 11:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's how fear works. Some of the bravest men I ever met did so by not following others expectations but instead followed their own personal set of ethics. Some of course were just scared of dying and that's valid too.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14059827 - 03/03/11 12:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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And just an FYI, I am being discharged, my contract is due to expire and I won't be renewing it.
Good. Get the fuck out. You seem to believe that because you are Private Manning you have a special status to determine policy. You do not. Never have, never will. Nobody elected you, nobody asked you, nobody gives a shit what you think. If you want to make policy then run for election. Until then your vote is no more than anyone else's.
See, opinions are all equal. The informed and the raving lunatic both are given equal weight here. Thank for taking time to explain that to me.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14059876 - 03/03/11 12:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please don't be so hard on yourself.
And maybe lighten up a bit. Life is temporary.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059903 - 03/03/11 12:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Please don't be so hard on yourself.
And maybe lighten up a bit. Life is temporary.
Classic stoner response.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14059948 - 03/03/11 01:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't smoked in years but if doing so helps me to not be as angry and bitter as you then I'm hittin the bong tonight. 
I laugh in your general direction.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14059977 - 03/03/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Canis latrans said:
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Icelander said: Please don't be so hard on yourself.
And maybe lighten up a bit. Life is temporary.
Classic stoner response.
Hey easy on the stoner remarks damn it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14059989 - 03/03/11 01:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Canis latrans said:
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Icelander said: Please don't be so hard on yourself.
And maybe lighten up a bit. Life is temporary.
Classic stoner response.
classic stoner response? wtf I'll play along with you're childish games, and follow up with saying your's is a arrogant and sad response to his classic stoner response. Life is indeed temporary, maybe if more people realized this simple fact of life things wouldnt seem so hectic and hard to understand.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: snoot]
#14064237 - 03/04/11 12:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say we nuke em back to the stone ages! Oh wait, they're already there! Iran is the archenemy of AMERICA! It's time to WAKE UP and see that THEY hate US!
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There is no US and THEM. But Them, They do not think the same...
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Zenarchist23]
#14064259 - 03/04/11 01:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I couldn't agree more. And all they think about is how to destroy US! That makes them OUR ENEMY.
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Sure, right after a small pathetically weak atomic bomb explodes in the abandoned parts of Detroit that is blamed on them... Would be a convenient excuse to ignore our debts too...
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Screaming Eagle said: I say we nuke em back to the stone ages! Oh wait, they're already there! Iran is the archenemy of AMERICA! It's time to WAKE UP and see that THEY hate US!
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snoot said: Have you guys heard of the STUXNET? The virus that was allegedly created by suspected US allies, which allegedly maliciously altered the frequency of certain centrifuges in Iranian nuclear facilities,. I only bring this up, cause I believe there are many new ideas we can exploit and create to deal with such situations like Iran that doesnt necessarily result in a full blown war.
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They pose little threat to us imo. We have always been much more of a threat to them. I've never lost a nights sleep worrying about them invading.
Plus we need to pick on someone our own size. Russia and China have been traditional enemies since Communism. How come we never invade them? Let's go boys
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14065151 - 03/04/11 08:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: They pose little threat to us imo. We have always been much more of a threat to them. I've never lost a nights sleep worrying about them invading.
Plus we need to pick on someone our own size. Russia and China have been traditional enemies since Communism. How come we never invade them? Let's go boys
Beijing insists that its military modernisation programme is entirely peaceful but the latest hike in defence spending to boost the 2.3m-strong People's Liberation Army http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12631357
I think that will cover China. 
After the break-up of the former USSR Russia isn't really all that much of a threat any longer.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14065165 - 03/04/11 08:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll bet we'd still have a hard time invading Russia.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14065200 - 03/04/11 08:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I'll bet we'd still have a hard time invading Russia.
Damn straight we would. Ask Germany about that one.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14065232 - 03/04/11 09:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I don't like is people thinking because we can invade some under equipped country that we are a bad ass Military. I want us to invade China right now to see who gets the title. Go America! (not saying that's where I'm placing my bet however)
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14065250 - 03/04/11 09:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: What I don't like is people thinking because we can invade some under equipped country that we are a bad ass Military. I want us to invade China right now to see who gets the title. Go America! (not saying that's where I'm placing my bet however);)
I agree with you. It's the old David and Goliath story, except with the very real ending of David getting the shit stomped out of him.
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