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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
    #14045194 - 02/28/11 08:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"




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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14045317 - 02/28/11 09:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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My thoughts exactly.  But what should we do?  We can't not do nothing?



Why not? We most certainly can do nothing, because until it starts affecting us, it shouldn't be our concern. And it DOESN'T affect us.




We need to stay the hell out of the whole damn mess.  Leave it be and wait for the fires to die.


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14045337 - 02/28/11 09:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"




:facepalm3:




Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?

Ever wonder why Iran calls The western regime Satanic?


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14045378 - 02/28/11 09:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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My thoughts exactly.  But what should we do?  We can't not do nothing?



Why not? We most certainly can do nothing, because until it starts affecting us, it shouldn't be our concern. And it DOESN'T affect us.




It affects Israel and Zionists, Iran consistently calls Zionism out, So the people need to be made to believe it affects us so we will kill and die for Zionist interests.

Bottom line.


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
    #14045458 - 02/28/11 09:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.




And you chant death to Iran.  Frankly, i would like to see the current regime in America and Israel change too.  You need to be careful in translation when you differentiate death to a regime and death to the people. 

They aren't saying that they want the regime to change. They are burning flags, chanting for its death. They don't parade saying america should change! Get over it. On this one you can't argue. You've seen it with your own two eyes.


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It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.




It has been reported that Iran might?

You would kill women and children because compromised pro-Zionist media said might?

You would allow a potentially terrorist state to have a nuclear bomb? What about those killed in terrorist acts in the west? Personally, i don't really care about those people as much as i do people of the west. Given the choice, i would bomb another country, especially a country filled with radicalism. its not pretty, politics is always about minimizing damage and in this case, i don't like the idea of sitting around like OBAMA has, waiting for this country to become capable of obtaining a nuclear weapon!


Frankly, colonialist, expansionist, coalition forces that turn innocent families into blood splatters justly deserve opposition, Karma is a bitch.
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Aren't those coalition forces decieved by the great eye on the back of the dollar bill?

They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nuclear program.




Iran cooperates with the IAEA and is in full compliance of  IAEA agreements.

They are supposed to get AID as part of the agreement, yet instead they get sanctions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543401.stm

Enough with this.


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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.




Not nearly as proficient of a liar or hypocrite as western leaders are.

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He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.

Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.




A few points about this;

1. There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.


Fuck that, they clearly are. You can see it with your own two eyes. Watch the videos. Regardless of whether this is true, i have seen videos of people being attacked and one horrible one of a girl being shot in the head.



2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.

Good

3. we need to differentiate between a peaceful protest and an attempted coup.  Many of the "protests" went as peaceful as you assert, I'd be happy to discuss particular situations though.


Are you joking? iranian leaders don't let opposition members out and have put them under house arrest. Do you think that protestors won't get fed up with this type of bullshit and attack back? i've seen people who haven't and wern't part of an attack being killed. There is no excuse for this one shin.


4. Western governments often get violent with peaceful protesters as well.

:lol:

Western people are far to pussy to confront police. although i do agree, the G8 protests are filled with violence, you cannot name one g8 protest in the states where someone was shot to death and killed. Nice try.



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I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.




1. Again you need to differentiate between "end to a regime" and "end to the people" 

:facepalm:

2. that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)?  Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too?  how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?

:lol:

:congrats:

The jewish and united states is not run by Muslim extremists!



Why are you against Iran accessing green technology?  you shit your mouth off about environmentalism, but then turn around and say Iran shouldn't be more environmentally kind. 

see, you are a hypocrite too.

:lol:

Nuclear power is not green or peaceful.

:facepalm:



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Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.




So go kill them?!  go ahead, get a gun and fly to Iran yourself! Kill them all!  Shoot all scientists too; we don't need them because heck, we can't be certain since science and scientific investigation don't seem to matter at all to you.
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:facepalm:

That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.




Case in point; you want to quell your irrational fears.

:lol:

Case in point? You've been exposed as a fraud with serious bias. The US government is violent towards protestors....:lol:

Talk about case in point.


Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.

:facepalm:

i care not what you think.


Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"

You are being intentionally subjected to fear mongering propaganda so that you will believe in unicorns or anything to make you feel safe.

What a tool thing to do.  I feel sad and frustrated that you are falling for the psy-ops and being played like a fiddle.

I pray that you will break free and transcend the propaganda one day and see things on a higher plane. 

I would love for one day that you realize that safety and fear are classic propaganda tools - classic dialectics that play on your less rational emotional side.

you are subjected to perceptions of fear by special interest groups, and you offered solution to quell your fears are right in line with the agenda.

So brainwashed people get so as they are even willing to want kill their fellow man to the benefit of the programmers.



I would rather do my best to find those things i have in common with other peoples and try to find peaceful cooperative ways to benefit mankind a a whole.


As i have said before, Imagine Iran and Western powers honestly and authentically working together to solve and improve issues such as Green nuclear energy and the true reasons for Instability in the middle east.



The Real THING here is that the media is subliminally making you Imagine War with Iran - If it is within our consciousness and means, it can be done.

I wish more people would consciously imagine Peace, respect, and co-operation with Iran, Because the vast majority of Iranians are peaceful, loving, respectful people who don't deserve bombs dropping on their house and Military Contractors ripping up their wives and children with bullets.

i have iranian friends. i lived in a small town of over 50% iranians. To be honest, not all iranians are peace loving, but many are.

ALL of my friends and their families, from iran, all hated the regime there.

Would you have guessed? They aren't religious, who would have known? Their moms wouldn't even wear traditional clothing.

i agree with what you say here but again, when given the choice whether to stop in the far future an iran beligerant leader, not complying with iaea, with potential ties to terrorists and the potential to unloud a serious nuclear payload on a city in US/canada/europe, i would rather shred people from iran than shred my own people/potentially my family.

Sorry, politics is a dirty game. i think were on the same page here, but you seem to have been mislead on a number of topics.

Again, let me re-iterate. This bombing and war would be years down the future, when iran is still being lead by belligerant leaders.









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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
    #14045483 - 02/28/11 09:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
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Shins said:
Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"




:facepalm3:




Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?

Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?



No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14045515 - 02/28/11 09:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
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Shins said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
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Shins said:
Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"




:facepalm3:




Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?

Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?



No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.




You mean this....

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Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"





Was a serious post?


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14046017 - 02/28/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Okay... lets go

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They aren't saying that they want the regime to change. They are burning flags, chanting for its death. They don't parade saying america should change! Get over it. On this one you can't argue. You've seen it with your own two eyes.





Who is? What does a flag represent?  people? or nation/idealology?  What is wrong with chanting death to an Ideology? Do you not support free speech? Man... you're so hypocritical.


I have yet to see with my eyes or ears that Iran is interested in killing people rather than killing an ideology.

Please show us though if you can.


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You would allow a potentially terrorist state to have a nuclear bomb? 





Potentially terrorist state? what the hell does that mean?  Western powers routinely participate in terrorism.  What the hell do you think the war in the middle east is?

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ter·ror·ism
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the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.




so who the hell is the terrorist? What the $%^& do you think the war in the middle east is?

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What about those killed in terrorist acts in the west?




Which ones?  what about the people in the west who die of ant bites, honey bee stings, lightning strikes, and falling icicles? GET A GRIP!

If you want to cite 9/11 and 7/7 as examples, you first need to establish empirically who the true perpetrators are.  Science man! Media hype and emotional pandering doesn't count as evidence.


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Personally, i don't really care about those people as much as i do people of the west. Given the choice, i would bomb another country,

You supremacist bastard. Shame on you, they are human too.  for all your gay equality, environmentalist bullshit, you're a real hypocrite.

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especially a country filled with radicalism.




HELLOOO HOW ABOUT ISRAEL

ANYONE HOME?!?!

Connect the god damned dots man.

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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.




Radicalism is not fundamentally negative.

There is plenty of radicalists in all corners of the globe including those who already have nukes, and including you.

Does your country have nukes? lets bomb you then okay?

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The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.




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politics is always about minimizing damage




What a radically simplistic but false view.  Care to explain yourself? 

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and in this case, i don't like the idea of sitting around like OBAMA has, waiting for this country to become capable of obtaining a nuclear weapon!




So you want to kill them? 

They could not make nukes for 1000 years or ever for all you know.

for all you know Iran could make breakthroughs in nuclear energy instead.

NUKES ARE AGAINST ISLAM

read it again

NUKES ARE AGAINST THE MUSLIM RELIGION

Are you registering it yet? 

Let me put it simply for you

Iran - highly Islamic
Nukes - Against Islam

Iran + Nukes /= Islamic Principals

Get it? Moving on...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543401.stm

Enough with this





All you articles says is;

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"The agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, but we cannot confirm that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities because Iran has not provided the agency with the necessary co-operation," Mr Amano said.





BBC? come on.

What does "necessary co-operation mean?

"we cannot confirm" means nothing! 

We cannot confirm that 12 armed orangutans have and underground base and are plotting to overthrow the world's banana supplies!

how about this article?

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Report: Amano Serving US Interests

TEHRAN (FNA)- A recent report by the western media revealed that Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Yukiya Amano had vowed in several meetings with the US officials before taking the lead at the world nuclear body that he would comply with Washington's policies and safeguard its interests after ascending to power.




http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912071310


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There is no evidence to support that the "protests" are a true populist movement.

Fuck that, they clearly are. You can see it with your own two eyes. Watch the videos. Regardless of whether this is true, i have seen videos of people being attacked and one horrible one of a girl being shot in the head.






Horrible videos /= populist movement, nor do they necessary prove the government did it, it sure appeals to your emotions though.  People get shot an attacked EVER DAY in America.

They are clearly not since the current regime was voted into power democratically.  If you want to contest this fact, i challenge you to provide evidence of fraud in your post.

Saying fuck that doesn't make it true.


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2. Israel/USA/UK plus other more secretive intelligence agencies have been funding Iranian opposition with hundreds of millions probably billions of dollars.

Good





Once again, you show your hypocrite side, i thought you were about Democracy, not subversion?

You are clearly showing your bias and allegiance, No wonder.

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Are you joking? iranian leaders don't let opposition members out and have put them under house arrest. Do you think that protestors won't get fed up with this type of bullshit and attack back? i've seen people who haven't and wern't part of an attack being killed. There is no excuse for this one shin.





OOOOoooOoo confined to their house.  The "excuse" that is quite obvious to me is that those leaders might likely have participated and inflamed the the violence and unpopular revolt.

Protesters: you lost the democratic election, attempting a coup after you lost is a good way to incite violence.

The leaders were only confined to their house for the duration of the revolts.

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Western people are far to pussy to confront police. although i do agree, the G8 protests are filled with violence, you cannot name one g8 protest in the states where someone was shot to death and killed. Nice try.




Sigh, now i have to link you examples of protesters dying at the hand of western powers?

Granted it's not not as bad as other places in the Middle east. 

Another thing we need to differentiate as well though, is the difference between a protest and an unpopular revolt or coup.


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that about the strikingly similar jewish messianic prophecy (in a time of war and bloodshed)?  Could the jewish messianic prophecy be fuel for pro-zionists too?  how is that any different besides the fact that Israel already has hundreds of nukes?

:lol:

:congrats:

The jewish and united states is not run by Muslim extremists!





That's not my point.  There are other types of violent extremists besides Muslim ones.

Such as; Zionist extremists (to keep it relevent.)


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:lol:

Nuclear power is not green or peaceful.

:facepalm:





Nuclear energy Is more green than most all current options on the table.

Not peaceful?  duuuhwhat?

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lol:

Case in point? You've been exposed as a fraud with serious bias. The US government is violent towards protestors....:lol:

Talk about case in point.





The US government certainly would and do get more violent and deadly if protests turn into attempted coups.

Like you say, The US protesters have no balls, If they turned radical revolutionary I'm sure they would be met with deadly force - why else do you think it hasn't happened yet?

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Those fears have been implanted in your mind by pro-zionist media to make you feel scared.

:facepalm:

i care not what you think.





I don't know why I'm replying then, If you care not to expand to ideas outside of your bubble how does that make you any different in that respect than the villains you criticize?

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i have iranian friends. i lived in a small town of over 50% iranians. To be honest, not all iranians are peace loving, but many are.

ALL of my friends and their families, from iran, all hated the regime there.

Would you have guessed? They aren't religious, who would have known? Their moms wouldn't even wear traditional clothing.





Do they live in Iran?  Last time i checked, you can move if you don't like the popular religion of Iran.

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i agree with what you say here but again, when given the choice whether to stop in the far future an iran beligerant leader, not complying with iaea, with potential ties to terrorists and the potential to unloud a serious nuclear payload on a city in US/canada/europe, i would rather shred people from iran than shred my own people/potentially my family.





That's a lot of far strung potentials to go killing on.

You could too potentially go violent - lets kill you too okay? just to quell my irrational fear that the 1/100,000,000 chance that one day you might kill me.

How many times do i have to tell you Nukes are against Islam

Nukes are against Islam
Nukes are against Islam
Nukes are against Islam
Nukes are against Islam

There is no evidence Iran is building nukes!

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Sorry, politics is a dirty game. i think were on the same page here, but you seem to have been mislead on a number of topics.





Politics isn't required to be "dirty" at all.

There may be topics i have been mislead on granted.

There maybe be ones you have been mislead on too.

I'm sure of it.


Do you acknowledge that the bomb Iran campaign is primarily perpetrated by Zionists and sympathizers?

Do you acknowledge that the western media conglomerates are primarily owned by Zionists?

Do you acknowledge that Zionists have strong influence over western foreign policy objectives?

If so, do you yourself support Zionism?


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14046092 - 02/28/11 11:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
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Shins said:
Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"




:facepalm3:




Yeah what? care to post something substantive or do i need to teach you a historical theology/science lesson?

Every wonder why Iran calls the west Satanic?



No, no, and uh, no. I won't justify that attitude with a debate, I'm sure that you couldn't teach me a lesson on theology or science if you tried, and it's a much simpler answer than you're prepared to give, but it's pointless to discuss it with you. So have fun in fantasy land. I'll go enjoy a different corner, thanks.




Fantasy land?

Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?

I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.

You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"

Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.

Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!

Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!

"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.

You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14046141 - 02/28/11 11:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Fear is the prime tool of black magic - Zionists would know all about "magic"





Was a serious post?




Yes, you have been "educated" to believe that Magic = harry potter and RPG Video games.

"Magic" in the real world has prominent historic background that spans several millennium.

Typical hard-core high-profile Zionists and indeed many western elite are heavily enveloped in esoteric occult magic and ritual.

Please, research this on your own, i don't want to derail this thread.

I tend to believe that even Jews have been deceived by these occultist entities into a war with Islam on a road towards a higher plan for humanity.


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
    #14046217 - 02/28/11 11:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Have you guys heard of the STUXNET? The virus that was allegedly created by suspected US allies, which allegedly maliciously altered the frequency of certain centrifuges in Iranian nuclear facilities,. I only bring this up, cause I believe there are many new ideas we can exploit and create to deal with such situations like Iran that doesnt necessarily result in a full blown war.


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
    #14046282 - 03/01/11 12:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Fantasy land?

Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?

I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.

You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"

Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.

Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!

Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!

"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.

You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.




Yeah, not what I was getting at. But that's okay. Continue being an internet tough guy and using your stock responses. Protip: Maybe try it on someone who actually cares, though. As for me, I have better things to do than waste time with someone like you.

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14046323 - 03/01/11 12:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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phoxyilluminata said:
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Shins said:
Fantasy land?

Run away coward, ridicule me then run away?

I should teach you a thing about intellectual integrity as well.

You've been programmed to relate the word "magic" with "fantasy"

Historically, "Magic" was basically "any way to incite changes the conscious world and the material world.

Historically, especially in the area of Israel/Caanan/Egypt, etc. Magical practice and ritual was commonplace!

Indeed "Magic" cults and practices are the forefathers of science and the arts!

"casting a spell" AKA using words or spelling is just as it sounds - Using words to makes changes in consciousness and indirectly, the material world.

You can falsely deny the high historical and social importance of "magic" but regardless, the real phenomenon still exists and persists.




Yeah, not what I was getting at. But that's okay. Continue being an internet tough guy and using your stock responses. Protip: Maybe try it on someone who actually cares, though. As for me, I have better things to do than waste time with someone like you.




Pro tip; bugger off if you don't care. you obviously do have time, you keep posting.

Yet you chose to ridicule me instead of posting thought-out responses.

Who's the internet tough guy here?

The only thing i'm trying to be tough with is intellectual integrety, you should try it!

What were you getting at?

Give the discussion some real talking points.

Otherwise, please stop muddying up the thread with your tripe!


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    #14046422 - 03/01/11 12:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Iranians can be seen, as supported by their leaders, chanting death to america and israel.




Okay. And Americans can be seen chanting, as lead by their leaders "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb, Iran."
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It has been reported that Iran might be funding weapons and monetary instruments towards terrorists operations against coalition forces.




America funds terrorists all the time.
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They also seem reluctant to allow the IAEA into all aspects of their nucelar program.




Bah. If they are stupid enough to try to use nukes, the world is going down anyway. Fuck it.
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Also, the Iranian president is a hypocrit and a liar.




So are the vast majority of U.S. presidents.
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He says that people should rebel against their governments, Ie. Lybia and Egypt and that their governments should not be violent towards them if peaceful.

Yet clearly they are violent towards peaceful protestors.




Okay. So he's a hypocrite. Can we say torture in the U.S.?
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I don't want hypocrits that support attitudes that pro-death to israel and USA who believes in the coming of the 12th imam(in a time of war and bloodshed) to have the potential of accessing nuclear energy.




And I don't give a flying fuck.
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Sorry, but no on person here can say for certain what irans nucelar program is for.

That is my best guesse and what makes me feel safest.



Who cares? If they want it for peaceful purposes, fine. If they want it for nukes, all the better. Bring on the apocalypse.

In short, my brother and cousins not going to a third fucking country to get shot at is more important to me than bullshit rhetoric, pointless speculation, and things that have been going on unaddressed for years.






What is the relevance of this?  What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not?  I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them?  It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
    #14046429 - 03/01/11 12:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You're a damn liar, old man.  I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.




TGRR, chill out a bit.  Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone. 

Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation :smile2:

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
    #14046482 - 03/01/11 12:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the relevance of this?  What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not?  I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them?  It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.




answer yourself;

What relevance does media manipulation of the facts have relative to Iran?

what relevance does colonialist forces surrounding Iran have relative to Iran?

What relevance does threats of nuclear attack have relative to Iran?

What does US refusal to acknowledge Iran's Expose' of Zionist manipulation have relative to Iran?

What relevance does the US dropping bombs on Iran have relative to Iran?

What relevance does the US funding opposition coups have relative to Iran?



The relevance here is; The physical aggressor here is not Iran, but the Zionist west.

The relevance is that we should be examine and solve the corruption in our own countries before we go off bombing countries because of irrational - corrupt Zionist media influenced "what if's"


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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
    #14047160 - 03/01/11 07:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the relevance of this?  What does it matter what America does or has done, relative to Iran or not?  I mean, I get that you apparently aren't fond of the US, but how does that have anything to do with Iran's nuclear ambitions and possible action against them?  It seems like this is just an absurdist anti-american rant in search of a point.



Are you saying that the actions of the U.S. are irrelevant? Because that seems absurd to me. If the U.S. is guilty, of precisely the same things that everyone is saying is reason to attack Iran, shouldn't someone step in and invade the U.S.? Hate to say it, but if we follow Shins' logic, then the September 11 attacks are completely justifiable in the same way a war with Iran is, Zionist bullshit aside.

If a war in Iran is justifiable for the given reasons, then all of the major powers, the U.S., UK, France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. are equally valid targets, and if it falls upon the U.S. to take out all these "threats", then we better get started. Or is Iran an acceptable target because it is comparatively weak, primarily Muslim, and full of brown people?

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Shins]
    #14047298 - 03/01/11 07:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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What relevance does media manipulation of the facts have relative to Iran?




i'd say that's pretty relevant as probably nobody here would even be thinking about Iran if popular media wasn't telling them to.  it will be interesting to see more Iran or Libya threads popping up echoing the same talking points.  is the media talking about it because it is important? or is it important because the media is talking about it?

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: johnm214]
    #14047335 - 03/01/11 08:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You're a damn liar, old man.  I did my time in the service, and I pay more taxes than you do.




TGRR, chill out a bit.  Your coming on pretty heavy with the name calling (many "old man" comments) and aggressive tone. 

Lets try and keep this a friendly conversation :smile2:



I think the "old man" thing is in response to zappaisgod calling him "kid". I don't think it's intended as an insult, but more of a rib.

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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14047984 - 03/01/11 11:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What have I walked into here? Why do so many feel it is the responsibility of the U.S. to run it's war machine over everyone?

I am constantly amazed that so many people choose to live in fear, especially fear of some imagined boogey man.

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