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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056332 - 03/02/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: So you are saying that I, and my brothers in arms, have no say at all in where get sent, that we are just supposed to shut up, suit up, and get blown up because YOU think we should go to war for what is at this time rather sketchy reasoning.
That's usually how a military works. Sign a contract do the job. What did you think was going to happen. You think we're the good guys? There are no good guys.
But you think I want to go to war with these countries? Didn't you even bother to read my reply to you where I stated I didn't think we should have been in Nam or Iraq. I see no basis for us invading Iran either. As long as they aren't invading our soil I'd just as soon leave them to kill each other over there. Our real interests in that region imo is oil and we'll do whatever it takes to get it for my car, my house, my business and my pleasure. The powerful almost always act in this fashion.
And all of that is ok with you? Never mind that the military, while ultimately commanded by a man who may or may not have ever served, is run by men and women who are serving. Our opinions should carry more weight than those of the citizenry who 1) don't want to serve out cowardice, 2) can't serve for moral or legal reason, or 3) who can't serve for mental reasons. I signed a contract to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and this nation, not to Fill the Pockets of those in Power. If by doing the first I do the second, then well fuck at least I am defending my people.
That being said, I did previously ask what made you think I specifically addressing you. You do seem fixated on making me out to be an anti-social hate-filled internet thug by making yourself out to be the unfair victim of my hate. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't put it on and cry that it is pinching your toes.
But hey thanks for saying that I should shut up and do the bidding of my masters like a mindless slave with no thought of why. It makes me very grateful to have raised my right hand and don this uniform, knowing that the people I am willing to put myself at risk for simply want me to stfu, make with the killing, but not talk about it so they can conveniently place it out their minds, while assuaging any residual guilt they might have with yellow ribbon magnets on their gas guzzlers.
I do hate you Icelander, not because you want us to go to a pointless war, but that you think that we have no say so in the matter at all.
Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056389 - 03/02/11 06:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
1. Because they can collect it.
2. Because voting doesn't seem to actually change anything.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056398 - 03/02/11 06:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Didn't you know, Barking Dog? You signed away your citizenship. It's "We the people", not "we the soldiery". Sorry, but you have to wait until you come back to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen. And hey, we'll give you free healthcare! No, wait... I lied. We'll give you subpar healthcare though. That makes up for it, right?
Well fuck if I am for all intents and purposes an indentured servant and slave to the People, then why the hell do I still pay taxes and get to vote?
We're working on the voting thing. Also, according to the Constitution, you count as 1/3 of a real person, so you should pay 1/3 taxes. But we are working on it so that yuo will actually pay 3 times taxes. Sorry for the discrepancy, we hope you understand.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056456 - 03/02/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems like hate is your middle name.
I never said any of it is ok with me. I said that's the way militaries work. It's not ok with me and that's why I wasn't stupid enough to think if I joined up I'd have a say in what I was told to do.
And I never thought you were specifically addressing me. Man is that dumb. You said you hated all of us. And people like you, hate filled flamers just muck up the discussion and flow of debate here and that's why I commented on your stupid ignorant post.
And I never thought you shouldn't have a voice but maybe you should have used it while you were in the military instead of coming here and whining. Nobody ever made you do anything so quite acting like they did or are or will.
I've been against every war we've engaged in in my adult lifetime. If you were against them then you should have had the smarts and the guts to stay out of the military. Or you should have gotten yourself out in anyway you needed to once you realized you weren't in moral agreement.
I'm not even in disagreement with your basic position about war but I'm in total disagreement with what you represent and I never asked you to defend me in wars that I don't agree with. So yes, please stfu.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14056490 - 03/02/11 07:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Seems like hate is your middle name.
I never said any of it is ok with me. I said that's the way militaries work. It's not ok with me and that's why I wasn't stupid enough to think if I joined up I'd have a say in what I was told to do.
And I never thought you were specifically addressing me. Man is that dumb. You said you hated all of us. And people like you, hate filled flamers just muck up the discussion and flow of debate here and that's why I commented on your stupid ignorant post.
And I never thought you shouldn't have a voice but maybe you should have used it while you were in the military instead of coming here and whining. Nobody ever made you do anything so quite acting like they did or are or will.
I've been against every war we've engaged in in my adult lifetime. If you were against them then you should have had the smarts and the guts to stay out of the military. Or you should have gotten yourself out in anyway you needed to once you realized you weren't in moral agreement.
I'm not even in disagreement with your basic position about war but I'm in total disagreement with what you represent and I never asked you to defend me in wars that I don't agree with. So yes, please stfu.
So your entire stance is that because I don't agree with what is going on, or more specifically that I don't agree with some of the assholes here in their ignorant desire for a war with Iran that it is "tough cookies you signed your life away"? Thank you for attacking the poster instead of the individual points. And thank you for taking what I posted to heart. I can really tell that I touched a nerve. If I were in fact intending to muck up your glorious discussion I would have done so. Instead I stated my personal feelings on the manner of people that are willing to send other people to war in their stead. And just FYI I am still a citizen. I can still vote, and I allowed to express my opinion, however I did give up a lot of the wonderful privileges and rights you all feel so entitled to, but have from I have seen, so far done nothing to deserve them at all aside from being born the right side of the border.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056540 - 03/02/11 07:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get over yourself. You can get yourself discharged anytime you really want to live out your beliefs.
Again since you have comprehension problems I think you have the right to believe anything you want and act on those beliefs. So act already.
As to the rights and privileges I feel entitled to, I don't. They came with the package of being born into this culture. Part of the good and not so good of being here. I didn't ask to be born or be born here. Just happened that way.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14056562 - 03/02/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Get over yourself. You can get yourself discharged anytime you really want to live out your beliefs.
Again since you have comprehension problems I think you have the right to believe anything you want and act on those beliefs. So act already.
As to the rights and privileges I feel entitled to, I don't. They came with the package of being born into this culture. Part of the good and not so good of being here. I didn't ask to be born or be born here. Just happened that way.
Then, politely and respectfully, stop seeking insults. If my posts have nothing to do with you, butt out.
And just an FYI, I am being discharged, my contract is due to expire and I won't be renewing it.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056621 - 03/02/11 07:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seeking insults? You hate everyone here. I assumed I'm part of everyone. Plus you restated your hatred for me personally I'm proud to say. You really aren't willing to be responsible for what you say are you.
I'm glad you're making it out of the military (alive) for your sake.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TGRR]
#14056645 - 03/02/11 07:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TGRR said: Actually, if Michelle Bachmann gets her way, he'd better not get wounded.
Who is she?
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Friskies]
#14056776 - 03/02/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well Canas if you get hurt, don't let them send you here. They shut down the OR at the St. Louis VA hospital. Seems they gave a "few" people Hep C and exposed "some others" to HIV.
YAY Government!!!
If our troops were somewhere honestly fighting for America's freedom,existance, survival, etc. then I would be one of the first to say stfu. I don't feel we belong anywhere in the mideast. We need to bring our troops home and focus them elsewhere.
Unfortunately it's oil making the decisions for the troops and until that changes (HA HA NOT) nobody is coming home.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Canis latrans]
#14058909 - 03/03/11 09:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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And just an FYI, I am being discharged, my contract is due to expire and I won't be renewing it.
Good. Get the fuck out. You seem to believe that because you are Private Manning you have a special status to determine policy. You do not. Never have, never will. Nobody elected you, nobody asked you, nobody gives a shit what you think. If you want to make policy then run for election. Until then your vote is no more than anyone else's.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
#14059046 - 03/03/11 10:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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ChelleLaBelle said: Well Canas if you get hurt, don't let them send you here. They shut down the OR at the St. Louis VA hospital. Seems they gave a "few" people Hep C and exposed "some others" to HIV.
YAY Government!!!
If our troops were somewhere honestly fighting for America's freedom,existance, survival, etc. then I would be one of the first to say stfu. I don't feel we belong anywhere in the mideast. We need to bring our troops home and focus them elsewhere.
Unfortunately it's oil making the decisions for the troops and until that changes (HA HA NOT) nobody is coming home.
The Wounded Warrior Hospital here is doing some very good work. A great deal of what they see is PTSD and that is a tough one. Still plenty of kids coming back shot to hell though.
At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14059105 - 03/03/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059143 - 03/03/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
One of the spitters was almost elected President.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14059178 - 03/03/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well you know how I feel about politicians.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059182 - 03/03/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: At least these warriors aren't getting spit on when they come home like the 'Nam vets were.
What a discrace that was. Those guys were no more or less responsible for that war than the rest of us at home.
I know. I can still hear chants of "Baby Killer!" It was not an all volunteer force in those days, the draft was alive and well. Those kids had no choice at all. Hell, one guy offered to pay me $300.00 to ruin his knee so he wouldn't have to go.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: TheThinker]
#14059201 - 03/03/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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They had a choice. It was a hard choice but many didn't fight a war they believed was wrong. I was lucky, the war was winding down and my draft number was very high. Otherwise you'd be most likely talking to a Canadian right now.
My point is that we are all responsible in some degree for what happens in our country.
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Re: Potential War with IRAN - YAY or NAY? [Re: Icelander]
#14059262 - 03/03/11 10:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: They had a choice. It was a hard choice but many didn't fight a war they believed was wrong. I was lucky, the war was winding down and my draft number was very high. Otherwise you'd be most likely talking to a Canadian right now.
My point is that we are all responsible in some degree for what happens in our country.
Most had no choice at all. Giving up family was too much for so many. I volunteered, and just missed the dance, I shouldn't have missed it but it worked out that way. We were kids, and a lot of us were sold on the America The Great package.
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