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Respect Psilocybin and know thyself
#14025140 - 02/25/11 12:01 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I have posted this as a trip report but if this is not about the true essence of the psychedelic experience then it is about nothing at all.
When thinking back it is hard to place exactly where my recreational use of Psilocybin containing fungi became less recreation and more deep personal psychotherapy, it was more a pattern that emerged over repeated use and my determination to enjoy the experiences regardless of the hard times I was having just before peaking.
First I feel I must give you a mental image of the scenario's we were consuming the fungi, we being me and my brother Michael. In recreational settings like the countryside in daylight I never experienced any difficulties, the "trips" were very psychedelic and filled with a love of life and the planet that gave us this life, returning with profound realisations on the Universe and our place in it as tiny as it is. The problems came in settings which promoted internalisation, retrospective reflection and internal analysis as part of the trip, we stumbled upon these as we attempted to reach the spiritual states of conciousness we had both read about from authors like the Mckenna brothers.
We did not want to follow Shamanic rituals of old as they had all been poluted when the practitioners attempted to conform as Christianity tried to purge the planet of all other religions especially those involving sacrements which helped you contact God or enter a spirit world.
We already knew that under the influence of Psilocin visual patterns could be seen on the minds eye when you closed your eyes and relaxed, we wanted to see if these visuals could overwhealm the visual cortex with eyes open, after many different attempts changing dosage and settings we realised this was easily achieved by setting the trips in absolute darkness so that you could not tell a difference between eyes open or shut, the results were mind blowing and the visuals became projected and external often making you reach out to touch them. They would always start as geometric revolving, ultra evolving patterns of ever increasing complexity and after about 20 minutes peaking in absolute darkness the patterns became solid, fully formed hallucinations created from the stored imagery in our subconcious minds, if you hallucinated a field of grass this was made up from a selection of every blade of grass you had ever seen in your life if it needed be. Approximately forty minutes after consuming anywhere above 10 grams of fresh Psilocybe Cyanescens (one of the most potent species according to Stamets and Wasson) in absolute darkness is where my difficulties were occuring, these manifested themselves in me being forced to relive traumatic experiences and episodes of my life in graphic first, second and third person detail, by this I mean I was forced to relive these episode from the perspective of everyone involved regardless of whether or not I wanted to. many times I tried to resist and avoid reliving these experiences as I believed I had survived them as best as anyone could and did not want to revisit any of them. So time and time again each trip the first hour I suffered these trips down memory lane and until I submitted to the recall I was not allowed any of the euphoria and enjoyment parts of the trip, it was starting to put me off psychedelics as I felt I needed to build up the mental energy to go through a traumatic part of my past before getting any fun and enlightenment.
During this time in my life (25) I was a very angry person with a lot of hostility towards a society I felt had neglected me and persecuted me for the person it had made me become, I had a lot of resentment and was diagnosed as Agoraphobic with misanthropic tendancies, I had no job and was on incapacity benefits due to my mental condition after being stabbed in the stomach a few years earlier in an arguement over ?5. I was a typical example of the type of person recommended to avoid psychedelic use but I had been using psychedelics recreationally since I took my first LSD blotter on my 14th birthday, this trip was done alone due to my friends buying pieces of ordinary paper with something drawn on it, mine was a full blown experience of a "Double Dipped Purple Ohm" or at least that was the sales patter whether it was double dipped or not made no difference, I submerged into the one conciousness eventually dropping into a deep sleep and then attending school the next day as if nothing had happened, anyway I have completely digressed but this was the absolute start of my psychedelic journey which is far from over now aged 35.
Back to the psychotherapy tripping, by now I realised I had issues and there was no hope of affording regular psychotherapy so I decided instead of trying to avoid and resist the analysis of my previous traumas that I should give in to the visions and see if I can see why these events from my life were causing me such problems, this was not out of a desire to have a healthy mind but just one healthy enough to stop spoiling my psychedelic experiences. We set the scene of a darkened room in comfort and consumed 10 grams of Cyanescens each, the fungi as usual started having an effect within 20 minutes and 20 minutes after that the geometrics patterns started to evolve, as they formed into solid hallucinations I was presented with what at first I thought was a landscape of rolling hills and I was flying above this at a very low altitude, the landscape was made up of a metalic grey network of rope like fibers and every now and then I could see what looked like clear glass dome structures or bubbles on the surface, these glowed gently. As I passed these glowing bubbles which were sometimes in groups I would then come to what in the distance looked like fires and as they entered to the foreground they were similar to the glowing bubbles but emblazened in colours representative of danger and gave me an overwhealming sense of fear and dread as I came closer to them, at first I quickly tried to avoid these angry looking bubbles and was almost successful but avoiding one of them I was drawn into what felt like the gravitational field of another one of these angry bubbles, there was a blinding nano-flash of immense white light and the landscape was gone. The light faded and I was in a memory of my own from the age of around 9 years old, this memory was as vivid as any movie I have ever watched being played out on my minds eye in the absolute darkness which we had set the trip. The memory was not a good one. As perspectives go in this situation I was like a floating camera in the room and my mother was getting ready for a night out, we were going to be babysat by my sisters father, he was not happy about this and was getting hostile and aggressive towards my mother and us. Me and my brother are sitting on the sofa trying to watch tv hoping things were'nt going to kick off but we had already given each other several knowing looks, my sister is getting dressed in her night clothes for bed by her father whilst he is arguing with my mother. As he got angrier he started aggressively dressing my sister and roughly handling her and she started to cry, my mother as any mother would seeing her child being abused attacked him grabbing him by the hair screaming "you fucking bastard hurt my bairn ...." and hitting him with everything she had, I grabbed my sister and me, Michael and Diane cuddled together to protect each other on the other side of the room as my mother lost the upper hand in the fight and it again turned into the now familiar scene of him beating her viciously, someone somewhere must have heard this happening again and called the police who dragged him out of the house and arrested him. The view blurs into a nothingness then back in now situated in my bedroom and me and my brother are lying in our beds asleep, there is a series of loud bangs waking us up it is my sisters father he has been let out by the police and is forcing entry into the house by smashing in the front door, the fear and terror is at maximum levels I am again 9 years old and helpless worried he is going to kill us all, again a blinding nano-flash of unbearable white light and I am back in the grey rolling landscape this time without control and below me in the fiery bubble of the memory I had just relived, the colours and intensity of it are fading and the bubble itself melts into the landscape and can not be seen, nearby there are several of the glowing bubbles and I am instantly drawn like gravity into the nearest one. In this bubble it is me who is the agressor dominating the school playground reinforcing my status as hardest in the school by starting fights with anyone who thought they should have that status and anyone I thought might present a threat to my status. Realisation washed over me like a bucket of cold water over my head that my anger and agression was born out of the helplessness I had felt in the numerous occasions over the 5 years at the hands of my sisters father the aggresor at home. Again the nano-flash and what felt like hours was flicking past which in reality were in minutes each time entering different glowing bubbles on the landscape, each one I am older and older reinforcing the lesson with example after example of where my aggression and hostility had stopped me getting the most out of a situation, this continues until I am in memories from just a few days earlier when I was being aggressive to others, each time I am experiencing my own aggression from the victims perspective, one of them even being my brother Michael, his perspective felt from everytime in our lives flash remembered in a flick of a second, the continued upset of how all he wanted was for us to be good brothers and not be afraid of me loosing it, i'm also forming thoughts if I had been that victim probably very similar to what they actually did about me at the time.
This trip altho quite traumatic in itself was the start of the good path, in post analysis I realised the grey landscape was my subconcious brain and the further I travelled through it, the further back in my memory I was going, the visual effect was very simlilar to a helicopter flying low over a terrain of rolling hills and fields but soundless apart from a constant background low resonance hum common to me in large psilocybin doses, the fiery coloured bubbles were traumatic episodes in which I had carried a chip or picked up a mental complex from and to this day they were effecting my life and anyone in it, the glowing bubbles were events where I had missed valuable life lessons which would have done me good due to the warped defensive perspectives I had formulated from the bad times.
Over the next couple of weeks I analysed the experience almost continuously especially noticing that I did not feel the need to agressively dominate any social situation I was a part of plus the resulting internal peace I was feeling from letting this anger go and realising through my entire life as a defensive measure I was making sure I was the aggressive one who people should fear, could I have really solved a major part of my personality disorder by eating too many fungi, it felt like I had and i wanted to believe but I was sceptical and wondered if it would last and if at all even real, maybe i'd imagined I was free from my anger and fear from controlling me.
I was keen for my next experience this time eager to revisit the grey landscape and its memory bubbles and the lessons contained within each one, over the next 6 months we were tripping at least every 2 weeks, we always still to this day keep several weeks between trips for reflection and appreciation of the previous experience. Each time I was returning with profound self awareness and revelations, each trip I would relive a at least one fiery bubble memories and the related glowing bubbles before being allowed access into what we started to call "The Psychedelic Soup of All Knowledge" simply the blissfull period when you are comfortable peaking on a "good trip". This continued for me almost every 2 weeks each time we tripped to the point where I no longer got to visit the grey landscape and was instead presented with a psychedelic soup of sheer bliss and contentment, occasionally I went straight to the Psy-soup and in retrospect I realise these were times when I was still absorbing the knowledge from the previous sesson.
After about 6 months of this my personality disorders were non apparant and the people in my life I love and who loved me all were remarking on the changes for the better in my personality and I noticed that all of them were spending more time around me, they seemed more relaxed in my presence and we all started to get to know me and each other properly.
Now then the problem still exists that I am 26 with no job or decent qualifications and in the "incapacity benefits trap" basically I can not get a job that pays enough to have me in the same situation I am in financially once the benefits are removed and I have no idea of how to get myself out of it, on top of this I have been out of work for over 5 years due to major psychological problems and on paper I look unemployable, I push these thoughts to the back of my mind and try to make the most of life for what it is.
It is about a month after this and we decide to have another Cyanescens adventure and expecting the psychedelic euphoria of recent trips I dive in without hesitation in the belief that i had learnt all the lessons to learn, as the fractal geometrics formed into solid hallucinations I am presented with a spotlight circle shone from above and in the centre of this light I am sitting legs crossed and arms folded looking down into my lap, at the edges of the spotlight range there are the vague shapes of people standing around me at the light perimeter in a complete circle and 2 voices can be heard. One of the voices is a child who I soon recognise to be myself around 8 years old and the other voice is my adult self but the tone of my voice is relaxed, almost benevolent and giving an impression of great wisdom, the 2 voices of my child self and my benevolent adult self are discussing my current situation in life, what little I have achieved and what I am capable of (I believe now the benevolent wise version of my voice is the person I thought I would grow up to be when I was 8). My 8 year old self is not happy and steps into the circle of light standing very confidently bold as brass, the light changes from a circle to a corner and I am sitting in same position in that corner and the 8 year old me has me boxed in, he said
"So then is this it? Is this all you are getting for us from life? What happened to being the best, the big dreams and promises you made when you were me? What happened to getting a great job and having enough money to look after all the family so we are not as poor? You never even kept your promise to drive your nanna up the big hill on your motorbike, you havent even got a motor bike licence!!!"
The 8 year old me moved backwards without walking out of the light laughing at me. The conversation took up again between the benevolent adult voice of me and the 8 year old me, they decided that as I no longer had the obstacles of the personality disorder I had no reason to still be in this situation all jobless with no prospects and they proceded to decide for me what must be done to solve it. They decided I had to go back to school and get computer qualifications proving I was no longer the mental defective and making myself look employable on paper. My 8 year old me and the benevolent adult voice of me also decided that I should not smoke tobacco as it was going to kill me being an asthmatic, they both laughed together at the fact I even started smoking in the first place reminding each other of the no smoking signs I drew for my bedroom wall and when I would not let anyone in my room who was smoking, the laughin faded and I entered the psychedelic soup again in sheer bliss, what felt like months had actually been about 20 minutes of the trip and I was still peaking beautifully.
Over the next couple of weeks I reflected on this, talked about it with my brother and we both laughed about the madness of the magic mushroom and the human brain and whether any of this had any real baring on us and if the changes were permanent or just imagined, my brother not being a metal defective had been regularly dissolved into the bliss of the psychedelic soup, hopefully he will write up a trip report sometime and explain fully his interpretation of pyschedelic soup and the variety of ways he has birthed into it as his ego dissolved.
About a month after this trip we decided to trip again, the instant the fractals formed into solid hallucinations I was presented with my 8 year old self asking me what I had done to impliment the changes we had agreed on regarding my employability, as I had done nothing I knew I could not lie to him so shamefully admitted I had done nothing, he promised me then that as long as I done nothing he would continue to torment me every time I used psychedelics instead of letting me enter the psychedelic soup. I promised if he left me alone there and then to enjoy the trip that the day after the trip I would go to the Incapacity Benefits Office and see about what help they had for getting people in my situation back into work, the 8 year old me was satisfied with this promise and allowed me access to the psychedelic ego free euphoria of the soup and all the bliss it contains but warned me if I did not keep this promise he would be much worse next time.
The next day I was analysing the experience with the 8 year old gate keeper partially feeling like my subconcious was determined to torture me and out of sheer desire not to have my psychedelic experiences ruined in this way I went to the Incapacity Benefits Office, they were delighted at my enthusiasm and before I left the office I was signed up to go to college and live on campus for a year for 8 hrs per day 5 days a week as a mature student with just 1 subject learning to be a Cisco PC Tech, just for clarification I have never smoked tobacco again, whilst at college on night times I was able to study and get NVQ level 1,2 3 in English and Maths to repair my rusty GCSE results. Since leaving college I have worked for The Breast Cancer Campaign, Friends of the Earth, BNS Telecom, British Airways, T-Mobile and currently I am with one of Britains top companies and the only person I occasionally get angry with is myself at specific times when I know I am doing something the 8 year old me would be kicking my arse about, I figure if I do it in reality he won't gatecrash my alternate realities to educate me.
These days my trips are mostly psychedelic bliss and every now and then if my concious mind misses a life lesson from the experiences in my reality or my ego makes me act like a prick I always catch the missed lesson in the next psychedelic episode delivered always before the pleasure and comfort of the peak almost as if i had to earn the reward by learning the lesson about my life or for being a douche and not realising and stopping myself.
I have heard it said many times and read it even more that if you are having difficult times in your life you should avoid the psychedelic experience, anyone who reads this will understand I don't follow that belief and any time I am in a situation I cannot solve in a concious state I take the problem into a heavy psychedelic state for an alternate perspective.
Robert M Bodley
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod]
#14025496 - 02/25/11 01:26 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Very interesting read, thanks for posting!
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: fugazi32]
#14025637 - 02/25/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Amazing read, man. I've always held the belief that bad trips are due to issues within yourself that you have not resolved yet, and the bad trips will continue until everything is resolved.
Unfortunately, I'm in a period in my life where I don't know what it is that is causing my negative trips. Sometimes the trips are full of sheer paranoia, thinking my friends are fucking with me, or paranoia that I have lost my mind. I haven't taken any in a year but I just got my hands on some lsd. I've been really ambivalent on when and how I should take it, if at all.
Anyways, thanks for sharing a pretty incredible journey.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: samhandwich]
#14025797 - 02/25/11 02:32 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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A brilliant read, thanks for posting this. I'm very happy for you, oh stranger. Glad to see you're getting so much good out of the experiences.
Coincidentally, on my mushroom trips I've been told to quit smoking as well, the only difference being that it's not a version of me, it's a horde of little, green, goblin-like creatures. They make a big point out of it, and then act like it was a joke. I wonder if this is common.
In any case, you get out of the experience what you put into it and your intention has an effect on the trip. I think because you treat the mushrooms in a psychoanalytic catalyst-sort of introspective way, that's what they give you (or that's what you give yourself). In any case, it seems to be a great thing for you.
Much love and peace, man.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: samhandwich]
#14025880 - 02/25/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I've always held the belief that bad trips are due to issues within yourself that you have not resolved yet, and the bad trips will continue until everything is resolved.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: samhandwich]
#14025929 - 02/25/11 03:01 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I got almost as much out of writing it all down as I have from every other part of the experience.
I love many natural psychedelics but I have a strong mental bond to the strong Psilocybes, the power to humble and amaze you is priceless.
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samhandwich said: I'm in a period in my life where I don't know what it is that is causing my negative trips.
maybe you should trip taking your LSD alone and let the molecules and your brain interact without the distraction of you thinking what other people are thinking, this is always difficult to deal with when we don't even know what ourselves are thinking. In nature is great for trips like this but i love the pitch black environment it is like giving the hallucinogen a blank canvas a degree is complex mathematical animation, it is also much easier to dissolve in the darkness.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Qualophile]
#14026674 - 02/25/11 05:34 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Coincidentally, on my mushroom trips I've been told to quit smoking as well, the only difference being that it's not a version of me, it's a horde of little, green, goblin-like creatures. They make a big point out of it, and then act like it was a joke. quote]
Maybe our subconcious minds manifest themselves in forms that they believe we will listen to with messages that we know we should already be following.
Are you a fan of the "Terrence Mckenna Elven" creatures.
I believe my subconcious appears to me as the 8 year old self simply because back then was before my experiences in life started developing psychological baggage that got in the way of me becoming the person i dreamed i would be as an adult when i was 8.
Still working on living up to 8 year old me and his expectations, he keeps moving the goal posts every time i score
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod]
#14026969 - 02/25/11 06:40 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Whenever I shroom, I can always tell myself who I really am and how I portray myself... then I think of resolutions for my life problems. After that part of the trip the mushrooms seem to reward me with visuals... weird. But I have NEVER had a bad trip and I doubt I will ever have one. People have even intentionally tried to give me a bad trip and I just won't have one.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Content] 1
#14028396 - 02/26/11 12:02 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I read this trip report about a month ago. I found it inspiring and I think it is what tripping is all about. It is one of the best reports that I have read. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod] 1
#14028954 - 02/26/11 04:37 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Yeah, I used to be really into McKenna's descriptions of the trips, even though most of the time he made it seem like the effects were universal, that everyone saw the same stuff and so on.
I didn't use to see creatures at all for my first one and a half years of tripping (I'm one of those once a week-people, taking breaks every once in a while), but then I did, and they were everything except elves. Then I tried calling out "come on out, little green men" as Terence explained doing (who knows how he came up with that), and that works every time for me. They seem like a distinct entity in the way they behave and so on, when compared to the other ones, who are slightly more static - the goblins (I don't think they are elves, at least according to the usual description) pretty much fill the scene and jump around everywhere, "binding" themselves into any other visions I might be having at the moment.
The mushrooms are trying to make you be okay with yourself, and somehow "better as a person" by pointing out your flaws and all that. My teachings were of fear, and just like you said, the goal post is moved every time I score, moving me deeper into the potential benefits (or the potential insanity, heh) after consecutive experiences.
Do you really think it's the eight-year old you you're talking to? Like in Salvia, where some experiences suggest that there are multiple versions of the self that are replaced time to time, but the previous ones still exist... Or do you think it's the Other taking the form of you as a kid? I gotta hand it to them, that's really clever.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Qualophile]
#14029134 - 02/26/11 07:17 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think when i was 8 pivitol changes happened in my life that made me develop down a different path that i would have naturally, this seems to have preserved this image/entity in my subconcious and maybe planted the "what if seed" regarding where i would have been and how i would have done things in my life.
I am not saying they would have been better or worse if different but life changed for me then i stopped being a child and at the same time killed a lot of healthy desire and self belief, instead of relying on my brain i tried to control life through anger and fear, not good.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod]
#14029770 - 02/26/11 10:44 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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Great to hear you've been able to use the mushroom as a psychotherapeutic tool! Your description really resembles the way in which Stanislov Grof describes his LSD-sessions with psychiatric patients.
I would really like to recommend you this book: http://www.amazon.com/LSD-Numinous-Groundbreaking-Psychedelic-Unconscious/dp/1594772827/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298742160&sr=1-1
I think it's great that people, on their own, can use the mushroom in such a way!
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Evolution]
#14029991 - 02/26/11 11:37 AM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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I will definitely check the book out, looks like an excellent addition to my psychedelic library. The one devastation is i have not had good quality lsd here in nearly 10 year, last real good one i had was a dancing testube blotter, made me feel old just remembering that.
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#14031673 - 02/26/11 05:51 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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awesome stuff... I'm sure the length will frighten some people, but it was definitely worth reading every word to me. I'm very happy to know this is happening for you. enjoy your future successes 
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Qualophile] 1
#14032452 - 02/26/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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The mushrooms are trying to make you be okay with yourself, and somehow "better as a person" by pointing out your flaws and all that
Not at all - there's no fundamental intentionality in a trip, even though it might seem that way. But what does happen is that your usual perceptual filters drop and you see clearly what hangs you up. Every time you go back to it through tripping it reappears, unless you've done something definitive in the meantime to solve it.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14032520 - 02/26/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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Not at all - there's no fundamental intentionality in a trip, even though it might seem that way. But what does happen is that your usual perceptual filters drop and you see clearly what hangs you up. Every time you go back to it through tripping it reappears, unless you've done something definitive in the meantime to solve it.
peace -PS
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: PrimalSoup]
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The mushrooms are trying to make you be okay with yourself, and somehow "better as a person" by pointing out your flaws and all that
Not at all - there's no fundamental intentionality in a trip, even though it might seem that way. But what does happen is that your usual perceptual filters drop and you see clearly what hangs you up. Every time you go back to it through tripping it reappears, unless you've done something definitive in the meantime to solve it.
peace -PS
Thank you for this. I'm bad at wording my stuff, and I have my own belief-systems that interfere with the actual messages I'm trying to get across, for some people. Because of my experiences, I've come to treat the mushroom as an intelligent being, but in the end the effects are up to you (set). Just showing that I understood. Thanks.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: Qualophile]
#14034707 - 02/27/11 07:49 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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The mushrooms are trying to make you be okay with yourself, and somehow "better as a person" by pointing out your flaws and all that
Not at all - there's no fundamental intentionality in a trip, even though it might seem that way. But what does happen is that your usual perceptual filters drop and you see clearly what hangs you up. Every time you go back to it through tripping it reappears, unless you've done something definitive in the meantime to solve it.
peace -PS
Thank you for this. I'm bad at wording my stuff, and I have my own belief-systems that interfere with the actual messages I'm trying to get across, for some people. Because of my experiences, I've come to treat the mushroom as an intelligent being, but in the end the effects are up to you (set). Just showing that I understood. Thanks.
My ego tells me its crazy but my subconcious is quite convionced that fungi are some sort of intelligence sentient life, we all interpret our experiences based on our own upbringing and belief systems if we have any.
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod] 1
#14036103 - 02/27/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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My ego tells me its crazy but my subconcious is quite convionced that fungi are some sort of intelligence sentient life, we all interpret our experiences based on our own upbringing and belief systems if we have any.
Seriously, I've gone back and forth on this for a long long time. Finally I have to conclude that the simplest explanation is most likely correct. Yes, I "communicate" with the spirit of the fungi, or at least with something that sometimes claims to be that, or that I sometimes believe to be that spirit. So I didn't start out with the beliefs, if any, that I have now about this, and I wasn't brought up to believe any of this stuff, just formed it as I went along.
IMHO your subconscious (whatever THAT is) hasn't gotten to the point where it can leave those beliefs (whatever THEY are) behind and leave you with unnarrated direct reality. Really, you don't need to interpret the experience cause it doesn't add anything to whatever it was that happened. But I know you will, we all do it. 
The mushrooms spirits have told me any number of long involved stories over the years, and I get the impression that whatever they are they just enjoy yanking my chain when they can. Anymore I have a very synergistic relationship with them and the whole growth process. 
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Re: Respect Psilocybin and know thyself [Re: GGTBod]
#14037253 - 02/27/11 05:40 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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It's prolly me but - Too long to read.
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