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lnt-5265f
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trying something new, could use a hand
#14024218 - 02/25/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey fellas, I was a drug forum mod back in the day, so ill try not to waste your time and i am an experience cannabis cultivator on the west coast. if any one needs a hand there shoot me a pm.
my wife and i decided to try growing a few mushies a while back and colonized a bunch of jars and made a way to complicated terrarium that didn't work to save it's life. the jars colonated perfectly however and we had plenty of spore from 5 or 6 strains so we dcided to go again
here are the facts
we are using home-made whole grain brown rice flour, vermi, pressure cooker, and at the moment i believe i have some golden teachers some albina a+'s and i THINK some of those mazapotamecaasere whatever its called.
my wife did the initial research and then got busy so im trying to pick up the slack
created a new terrarium fishtank, flourescent light 12/12 just bought some perlite to throw in there for humidity sake
BUT before i learned about the perlite i had a ultrasonic humidifier pumping in there, tried lowering the amount going in the whole 9 yards couldn't get it to work. afrter throwing in a cake that was fully colonized i got nowhere in weeks. not even white mycelium fluffing up like cotton.
i actually removed the humidifier and instantly because the tank had a bit of water in it still at the bottom, the humidity went up (?) and the cake started being fuzzy as fuck.
at this point i aded another cake and it did the same thing, and that was maybe a week or two ago. but no pins, just lots of long straight fibers like cotton.
suddenly this first cake im sure is fucked - though it does have fuzz on it.
the second cake, all of a sudden i look yesterday and 3 mushrooms are growing nicely out of the bottom, curving up and toward the light. (bottom? wtf?)
along witht hat i had a cake with like 6 pins in the jar still, i took 'er out and put her in there yesterday, shes starting to pull away fromt he cake and theres some mushies - at the bottom growing down/sideways then up. tiny still but they're doing there thing.
i didn't know until recently about the whole dunking idea. so the only one i dunked was the second one, which is growing three good muchies and the other one pinning i didn't dunk. i used water from tap which is at 300 ppm right off the bat full of calcium. i know i should use spring water, i just grabbed some yesterday at the store so for the rest of these fuly colonized cakes ill dunk them tonight... for 15 hrs (? heard over 24 will kill mycelium, and tech i read suggested 24 hrs exactly, thought id play it safe.)
im throwing some pictures up, sorry for the long winded ness but i like to be thorough, otherwise you guys can't help me out.
oh also two heating pads, i gotta work on checking the temp of the terrarium, i think it's about 74 all the time, but i know my colonizing jars sytay between 78.2-79.4
the beauty of having extra heating pads from unused clones haha
so ok i get that obviously im starting to get the hang of the humidity so the cake is showing me some mushies on the second, but regardless there were never pins and there are no others on the whole cake.
what am i doing wrong, what should i focus on here?
alright final question. could u direct me to a good spore printing and syringing tech, because what i found was too vague for my taste
thanks in advance fellas!


Edited by lnt-5265f (02/25/11 07:33 AM)
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Doc_T
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024247 - 02/25/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Short answer: You got ahold of some old info. Aquariums don't offer fresh air. Consider building a Shotgun FC, as shown in RR's videos: http://mushroomvideos.com/
Also, this is so unlike growing plants that you should forget you ever grew weed. It's more like raising fish than growing plants... but you can't really use an aquarium.
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lnt-5265f
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024252 - 02/25/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for the link, i'm checking her out now
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024256 - 02/25/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024272 - 02/25/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Last five years, there's been a huge explosion of knowledge on the 'net. Any tek more than a few years old needs some sharp scrutiny.
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magnumzero
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024290 - 02/25/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mazapotamecaasere whatever its called.
yay finally a newcomer who seems to understand a cube is a cube.
Awesome first post, by the way. 
And you don't need those heating pads, generally they do more harm than good.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024303 - 02/25/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you should always dunk the cakes to replenish moisture, a fully col cake will have very little. then roll them in some dry verm, it creates a nice micro-climate that greatly improves pinsets.
btw i always dunk for 24 hours, and i recommend it. ive accidentally left cakes for 48hrs before and they were still fine, and they were submerged in a 5 gallon bucket!
like doc said about the SGFC, you should make one of them instead 
but while you are using that fish tank, be sure to fan them often. fresh air is a major pinning trigger!
also tap water is "usually" fine for cakes.
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lnt-5265f
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: magnumzero]
#14024305 - 02/25/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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my main issue is that if i don't use the heating pad, i can't get temperatures over 68 - creating a problem atleast with colonizing - because i live in an old house and just far enough north that it stays cold this time of year. still think more harm then good?
you guys are absolutely fantastic, those videos have got me covered on 90% of my problems thus far.
here's a question, i've heard that my mushrooms will have peak potency when the veil is JUST starting to pull away. more old/bad advice? what should i be looking for to know to harvest. and for that matter, best way to dry the suckers to preserve potency? something tells me my those questions my get answered as i continue to watch these vids but just in case i throw them out here
Edited by lnt-5265f (02/25/11 08:11 AM)
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: awakendone]
#14024331 - 02/25/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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awakendone said: also tap water is "usually" fine for cakes.
If it's safe for animals, it is safe for mushrooms.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024361 - 02/25/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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lnt-5265f said: my main issue is that if i don't use the heating pad, i can't get temperatures over 68 - creating a problem atleast with colonizing - because i live in an old house and just far enough north that it stays cold this time of year. still think more harm then good?
you guys are absolutely fantastic, those videos have got me covered on 90% of my problems thus far.
here's a question, i've heard that my mushrooms will have peak potency when the veil is JUST starting to pull away. more old/bad advice? what should i be looking for to know to harvest. and for that matter, best way to dry the suckers to preserve potency? something tells me my those questions my get answered as i continue to watch these vids but just in case i throw them out here
my temps never go above 68f either. its fine, just somewhat slower. the info about the veils tearing is good advice  dehydrator, then to mason jars works well
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lnt-5265f
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024366 - 02/25/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow, so out of curiosity, an the fact that i considered these cakes half fucked anyway, i fllipped the one with the three nice ones coming out upside down - and the underside is filled with small mushies exloding... i take it that its because of that verm layer at the bottom that they came out? or maybe the closeness to the heating pad underneath?
why the damn bottom?
Edited by lnt-5265f (02/25/11 08:31 AM)
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magnumzero
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024371 - 02/25/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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my main issue is that if i don't use the heating pad, i can't get temperatures over 68 - creating a problem atleast with colonizing - because i live in an old house and just far enough north that it stays cold this time of year. still think more harm then good?
Hmm..I understand what you mean about 68 being a little low. They'll still colonize, but probably you feel like it's going agonizingly slow. You could build an incubator. Normally I'm against them for people just starting out, but I feel like you'd know what you were doing.
The easiest and safest way to incubate, IMO, is to put your jars in some sort of box. I put them in an omaha steaks styrofoam cooler with the insides lined with tinfoil. Then I made a "heatbomb," where I filled a quart jar with hot water and placed it in the incubator. For a true heatbomb tek, go here. It's worth noting that many people have abandoned incubators--myself included unless my house is below 65 degrees--because they foster stale air and keep jars in the dark. New research shows that exposure to ambient light from day 1 may lead to better pinsets. This is why when I made an incubator, it was basically a converted still air box. (Worked perfectly. Had a window for light, and the arm holes helped with ventilation and temp control.)
So to reiterate, if you decide that your jars are going too slow, you can build an incubator to speed things along. You increase risk of contamination sometimes, but sometimes it's worth it. Just be sure to not crank the temp much higher than 77--that's around optimal. Any higher is basically just welcoming thermophilic bacteria and molds while slowing mycelium growth
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you guys are absolutely fantastic, those videos have got me covered on 90% of my problems thus far.

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here's a question, i've heard that my mushrooms will have peak potency when the veil is JUST starting to pull away. more old/bad advice? what should i be looking for to know to harvest. and for that matter, best way to dry the suckers to preserve potency? something tells me my those questions my get answered as i continue to watch these vids but just in case i throw them out here
You're right. Right when the veil breaks, the shrooms stop producing magic. They get larger, but no new psilocybin goes to that shroom. So basically, letting them grow after the veil breaks will give you more to eat without increasing your favorite chemical. Also, you don't have to harvest all at once. No need. Pick em when each is ready.
For drying, put em infront of a fan on a paper towel/chicken wire. Then place them in a desiccant chamber.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: magnumzero]
#14024373 - 02/25/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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68 is perfect. No incubator.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024375 - 02/25/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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lnt-5265f said: wow, so out of curiosity, an the fact that i considered these cakes half fucked anyway, i fllipped the one with the three nice ones coming out upside down - and the underside is filled with small mushies exloding... i take it that its because of that verm layer at the bottom that they came out? or maybe the closeness to the heating pad underneath?
why the damn bottom?
There was a microclimate of better humidity at the bottom.
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68 is perfect. No incubator.
Alright, maybe I just wanted to make a really long post. Doc is right.
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Edited by magnumzero (02/25/11 08:34 AM)
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: lnt-5265f]
#14024379 - 02/25/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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its is common for pins to form on the bottoms. whatever position you put them in the FC its best to leave them that way. they will find their way out just fine
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: magnumzero]
#14024383 - 02/25/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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whatever position you put them in the FC its best to leave them that way.
Nah, flipping them is fine really. I just read a post yesterday by RR saying shiitake farmers regularly flip their subs.
I think it was shiitake.
Fuck i dont know ive had the flu and ive been delirious.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: magnumzero]
#14024420 - 02/25/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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magnumzero said:
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whatever position you put them in the FC its best to leave them that way.
Nah, flipping them is fine really. I just read a post yesterday by RR saying shiitake farmers regularly flip their subs.
I think it was shiitake.
Fuck i dont know ive had the flu and ive been delirious.
i read that post as well, and what rr meant was flipping them from the position that they col in. which it sounds like the op originally did, and what most people do anyways.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: awakendone]
#14024461 - 02/25/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just don't keep flipping them. Put them the way you want and then leave them be. If you flip one mid-fruiting, leave it like that.
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Re: trying something new, could use a hand [Re: Doc_T]
#14024509 - 02/25/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what rr meant was flipping them from the position that they col in.
Oh, right. Right right. Thanks for your polite correction.
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