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InvisibleIcelander
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youth power
    #14024064 - 02/25/11 05:43 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Each generations youth has to break away from their parents and the previous generation.  The have to gain POWER and become the force for the continuation of the species.  So they rebel against the powers that be.  Now the young think that this process is about change and changing the world to fix all the wrongs and make it a utopia of sorts.  But really history shows that it is just the transfer of power from one generation to another and the status quo remains in place.

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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14024725 - 02/25/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Now the young think that this process is about change and changing the world to fix all the wrongs and make it a utopia of sorts.  But really history shows that it is just the transfer of power from one generation to another and the status quo remains in place.


I would say that each generation changes things at least a little bit, and that the status quo doesn't completely remain in place; for the most part, though, it does remain in place.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: youth power [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14024747 - 02/25/11 10:28 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

These minor changes do happen but don't really change the base.


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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14024805 - 02/25/11 10:40 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Why do people think generations come in quanta?  They don't.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14024825 - 02/25/11 10:46 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I'm not sure what you mean?:confused:


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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14024836 - 02/25/11 10:50 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

It feels good to rebel, and apparently its in our nature. So why not do it? Thats the real question


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Re: youth power [Re: floydisgod]
    #14024848 - 02/25/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Right, it's like stretching your muscles and flexing them.  You need to expend energy because youth has an excess of it. You will need it to meet your survival needs and advance within the pack and hopefully come out on or near the top.  It's perfectly natural.


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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14024857 - 02/25/11 10:56 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I've been in some demonstrations and around some that turned violent. It's exciting and you can easily get caught up in it. Peaceful protests can easily turn violent. It's about exercising power and gaining power.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14024939 - 02/25/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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I'm not sure what you mean?:confused:



That there are discrete separations in humanity which can be labeled as different generations.  There aren't.  It's a lazy way of thinking about things and imposing divisions that don't really exist.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14024982 - 02/25/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Well I'm a lazy guy.  You know that.:satansmoking:

I made this post in response to others here stating that a new age of peace and fairness is coming as all the current so called corrupt leaders around the will fall and are replaced by new and enlightened leaders. I assume that includes our country also. But imo that's a pipe dream.  "here comes the new boss, same as the old boss"


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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14025018 - 02/25/11 11:36 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I wasn't specifically speaking to you.  In fact, I wasn't speaking to you at all but, rather, to the youngsters who think there is a specific delineated separation of generations.  For instance a current thread in this forum speaks about "the older generation" admitting error regarding religion.  What "older generation"?  It makes no sense.  Tighten up your thoughts, children.  There are no generations.  Hell, there is no society.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14025079 - 02/25/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Well you know how vain I am. If you post a response to me I'll think it's about me. :lol:

Tight thinking rarely happens in youth. I can only feel :blush:ment about my own sloppy thought processes and the fact that I do very well in debate here does not reflect well on the youth of today.:satansmoking:

Of course I admit I cheat.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14025189 - 02/25/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
I'm not sure what you mean?:confused:



That there are discrete separations in humanity which can be labeled as different generations.  There aren't.  It's a lazy way of thinking about things and imposing divisions that don't really exist.




I have to disagree. In 'reality' nothing really exists. Divisions are just a concept in the mind, however, if they have use and allow us to navigate our lives into pleasure/happiness, then they should be used.


For example, if I said that we are all different and that not all of us are equals in the grand scheme of things, I would be wrong because there isn't a grand scheme and were are products of our environment.

However, if i said I want to go to a quite place to grab a beer and have a conversation with someone about various topics of interests, you wouldn't tell me to go to a club where youth go to, would you?

So in both cases it is useful and useless to think of the division. This is because division is a concept aimed at navigating the world around us.

In the sense that icelander is speaking about how doing what youth do in protests as a waste of time, I agree. But protests in general are fun a shit nonetheless.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14025200 - 02/25/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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I wasn't specifically speaking to you.  In fact, I wasn't speaking to you at all but, rather, to the youngsters who think there is a specific delineated separation of generations.  For instance a current thread in this forum speaks about "the older generation" admitting error regarding religion.  What "older generation"?  It makes no sense.  Tighten up your thoughts, children.  There are no generations.  Hell, there is no society.




:lol:

Children to me, sounds like reference to a group, a division.

:rofl2:

I love oxymorons!


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Re: youth power [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14025365 - 02/25/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

The key to youth revolt lies in what its called
Youth- young inexperienced people, who think they can make a difference in the world. Unfortunately i fall in this categorry, but as my mind grows older i'm starting to realize that i really don't and can't make a significant difference. I'm caught in the same vicious cycle that my hippie father got caught in.

Revolt- an act of tearing down an old society/societal setting in hopes of creating a better or more utopian society. It's been tried before and i can guarantee it'll be tried again, but even if it succeeds eventually we'll grow tired of it. And thus the circle never ends.

Theres a balance between revolting, and succumming (sp?) to the man. There lies what we want... (imo)

Keep your heart young and let your mind grow


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Re: youth power [Re: floydisgod]
    #14025376 - 02/25/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

We need a doorsisgod.:jimmorrison:


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Re: youth power [Re: Icelander]
    #14025396 - 02/25/11 01:00 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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We need a doorsisgod.:jimmorrison:




:shrug:

what?


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Re: youth power [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14025428 - 02/25/11 01:08 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Inside joke.


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Re: youth power [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14025757 - 02/25/11 02:24 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
I wasn't specifically speaking to you.  In fact, I wasn't speaking to you at all but, rather, to the youngsters who think there is a specific delineated separation of generations.  For instance a current thread in this forum speaks about "the older generation" admitting error regarding religion.  What "older generation"?  It makes no sense.  Tighten up your thoughts, children.  There are no generations.  Hell, there is no society.




:lol:

Children to me, sounds like reference to a group, a division.

:rofl2:

I love oxymorons!



:facepalm:
Everybody at some point in their lives is a child.  That is a reasonable division.  Not everybody is part of the "baby boomer generation" or "Gen X" or "Gen Y" or any other false division without boundaries.


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Re: youth power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14027158 - 02/25/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Changes in morals, IMO.

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