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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14021501 - 02/24/11 06:10 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

well how big would they be once dried? isnt the conversion using dried material?


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: sui]
    #14021559 - 02/24/11 06:17 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Erowid

Fresh Peyote Dosages
Oral
Light 3 - 6 mid-sized buttons 50 - 100 g
Common 6 - 12 buttons 100 - 150 g
Strong 8 - 16 buttons 150 - 200 g
Heavy 15 + buttons 200 + g

Dried Peyote Dosages
Oral
Light 3 - 6 mid-sized buttons 10 - 20 g
Common 6 - 12 buttons 20 - 30 g
Strong 8 - 16 buttons 30 - 40 g
Heavy 15 + buttons 40 + g


I never dry cacti flesh i always eat fresh and harvest at the end of the 4 month dormant period when alkaloid content is highest, so i could not tell you what they will wiegh dry

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14021823 - 02/24/11 06:59 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

that erowid chart is rough estimate. I would honestly expect 8 little buttons to be a mild trip compared to 8 softball sized ones. you can't just go by number its about age and maturity, soil content ect.


I would try to get down 6-8 personally of the size you have. 4 would be effects closer to the last time you took it. Don't worry about the nausea, just put good thoughts into the medicine. If you think " im gonna puke when i eat this" you're gonna feel shitty. If you think "this is a sacrament. it's going to uplift and refresh me." you'll feel  :awesome:


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14022106 - 02/24/11 07:50 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14023955 - 02/25/11 04:07 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

eat 6-8. after waiting so long dont disappoint yourself.

If i were you, id eat 7-8 buttons. You know those cacti man for as long as youve seen them grow with you. Eat them, make them apart of you so they know you as youve known them. thats why you grow them. for that one day that youve been waiting 12 fucking years for.

man, i hope to be able to have an experience like yours 15-20 years from now.  :peyotespectrum:

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: waves]
    #14024048 - 02/25/11 05:23 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Well, if you are still interested, I had some free time earlier and wrote out a trip report on my first time using peyote. here it is:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14022087





this was an awesome read. and true to the spirit of peyote.


eat as many as you can let go of. youve earned it.


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #14025007 - 02/25/11 11:33 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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I would try to get down 6-8 personally of the size you have.





I can see the pictures do not do the size justice.

It would be impossible to eat 6-8 of them this size when 4 are going to wiegh around 800grams, the human stomach is not meant to have 800grams of anything in it.

Even eating my favoruite food i can only manage a 500 gram meal (I know this as i wiegh and measure everything i eat).

I usually manage around 250 -300 grams when i eat Trichocereus, by this time the cacti flesh has swollen in my gut absorbing any liquid in there and expanding massively.

The Peyotes I am harvesting the buttons from are 16 years old, they have been grown with love in ideal soil / nutrient conditions tp promote alkaloid production as recommended by experts (of which i am not) they have been treat like this for their whole lives since seed i have followed the instructions set down in books like "Peyote and other psychoactive cati" (Gottlieb) especially regarding conditions which best promote akaloid production right down to when is the best time to harvest the buttons. The only guidance i have not followed is the summer before the dormancy before the harvest to inject dopamine into the flesh.

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: waves]
    #14025026 - 02/25/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Well, if you are still interested, I had some free time earlier and wrote out a trip report on my first time using peyote. here it is:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14022087





Excellent, great to have some good feedback here instead of loads of people dropping what they have read, ive ben grwoing the fuckers for 17 years so i have also had time to Google it now and then you could say, also collected one or two books on the subject but this is what i was hoping for.

From one traveller of the mind and soul to another you have my salute of gratitude for the effort and the share.

I love writing about trips especially the hard times and difficult journeys, did you get anything mentally from writing it?

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: sui]
    #14025105 - 02/25/11 11:53 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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eat 6-8. after waiting so long dont disappoint yourself.

If i were you, id eat 7-8 buttons. You know those cacti man for as long as youve seen them grow with you. Eat them, make them apart of you so they know you as youve known them. thats why you grow them. for that one day that youve been waiting 12 fucking years for.

man, i hope to be able to have an experience like yours 15-20 years from now.  :peyotespectrum:

:peace:




Nice plan i'll let you all know how it goes, and BTW i have been waiting 17 years lol

I am going to eat a minimum of 200 grams of flesh if i am still in my body aware of this realm of existance 2 hours after that I will eat more.

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14025245 - 02/25/11 12:29 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Spacing the eating of it out is how it's done in the peyote ceremonies. Nobody eats it all at once, the medicine gets passed around at least 4 or 5 times during the course of a 12 hour period. The tolerance isnt an issue like with LSD or mushrooms and it has a compound effect over the course of a few hours. The cool thing is once you've passed the initial nausea stage you can eat a bunch more and skip that part.


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    #14025882 - 02/25/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

GGTBod, you and your peyote are the shit!!  That is all I can add other than wishing you well on your journey!  I hope to have some yotes of my own some day.  Would be hard to bring myself to actually harvesting them though. 

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: mattritt]
    #14026031 - 02/25/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I've done peyote once in my life, i was 19 and my faith was wiccan and had been for years. I ate an eighth and it literally changed my faith and me forever i was blessed to meet a light being who ex-planed that the God and Goddess and the light and the dark are all one and the same and that humans are how the creator chooses to experience this world through each and every one of us and that our spirits are all facets of the creator thus we are creators in our own right we manifest what we focus on. if you would like to know anything more PM me and i'll be happy to tell you anything you would like to know.    Namaste


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #14026312 - 02/25/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Spacing the eating of it out is how it's done in the peyote ceremonies. Nobody eats it all at once, the medicine gets passed around at least 4 or 5 times during the course of a 12 hour period. The tolerance isnt an issue like with LSD or mushrooms and it has a compound effect over the course of a few hours. The cool thing is once you've passed the initial nausea stage you can eat a bunch more and skip that part.





I have read all about these ceremonies many times but i am not native american or huciol, I am of no religeon, there are some great guildlines to follow from these ceremonies but it would be very pretencious for me to immitate or replicate these ceremonies.

Make no mistake i worship this plant, the difference is my worship is not formulated into a regime of control and subjecation of my fellow man. For me this is about exploring the inner space of the human mind (in this case mine) with the assistance/guidance/under the control of a revered and worshipped plant.

Over the 17 years i have been partners with this plant to produce alkaloids i must have easily had over 1000 dreams about the session of consumption (ceremony). I will be following a very simple and respectful process and will be within site of the Grandfather totum throughout the session.

I will be eating the Peyote over a day or 2 in several stages to prolong the experience starting with eating as much of 200 grams as i can in the first 2 hours and then topping this up if and when i ever become aware of the "regular reality", i am looking for a total out of body experience similar to vapourising large doses (40mg+) of NN-DMT except lasting for several hours at a time instead of minutes.

I am under no illusions of God especially any religeon as these are the word of man structured with the aim of control.

I respect the planet that provides us with the niech that our life exists in both us, the cacti and all the other sacred plants, the link and bond between us is no coincidence, we are all once part of the same star that exploded billions of years ago releasing and creating all of the matter in the galaxy we call The Milky Way and in some ways this matter is still connected.

I appreciate all the tips on ceremony but i am sure you all understand i will be following my own path that the peyote creates in my mind.

Please no more ceremony tips it is like reading all my old books, more experience reports would be greatly appreciated the ones i have read so far give me goosebumps

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14026407 - 02/25/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Whoa. slow down there, you got me twisted.

If you read what I was saying it was more about the stomach content and tolerance not being an issue for eating it over a prolonged period.

I was in no way trying to get you to misappropriate traditions that are not your own. simply offering advice from several years of experience eating, growing, and sharing medicine with my releatives. Sorry if my personal experience bores you and sounds like books. All of it only comes from relating to peyote in a spiritual context because thats all i know. Most experience reports about it are misleading so i figured you would be happy to hear something along the lines of what actually goes on when people really eat medicine.

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Make no mistake i worship this plant, the difference is my worship is not formulated into a regime of control and subjecation of my fellow man. For me this is about exploring the inner space of the human mind (in this case mine) with the assistance/guidance/under the control of a revered and worshipped plant.





You're making an incorrect assumption that I worship this plant. I don't. Also I really don't use this for 'exploring inner space',  an adolescent preoccupation which I grew out of many years ago but I can empathize with that point of view. Eat the medicine a few times and It puts into perspective what's really worth striving for.

And where does God come into the conversation ? Never saw where I brought God up once, but since you want to....
Ask the medicine about It.
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i am looking for a total out of body experience similar to vapourising large doses (40mg+) of NN-DMT except lasting for several hours at a time instead of minutes.


it'd be easier to just vaporize dmt to get that experience don't you think? Im guesing you'd need way more medicine than you have now to get there. Sounds like you need some ayahuasca or a strong oral DMT. dose.


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #14026500 - 02/25/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Whoa. slow down there, you got me twisted.

If you read what I was saying it was more about the stomach content and tolerance not being an issue for eating it over a prolonged period.

I was in no way trying to get you to misappropriate traditions that are not your own. simply offering advice from several years of experience eating, growing, and sharing medicine with my releatives. Sorry if my personal experience bores you and sounds like books. All of it only comes from relating to peyote in a spiritual context because thats all i know. Most experience reports about it are misleading so i figured you would be happy to hear something along the lines of what actually goes on when people really eat medicine.

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Make no mistake i worship this plant, the difference is my worship is not formulated into a regime of control and subjecation of my fellow man. For me this is about exploring the inner space of the human mind (in this case mine) with the assistance/guidance/under the control of a revered and worshipped plant.





You're making an incorrect assumption that I worship this plant. I don't. Also I really don't use this for 'exploring inner space',  an adolescent preoccupation which I grew out of many years ago but I can empathize with that point of view. Eat the medicine a few times and It puts into perspective what's really worth striving for.





I think we have both slightly misunderstood each other here, I was reading your stuff it was spot on it sounds like you have a high level of respect for your use of entheogens.

I also have been at this a long time and hope to do it a lot longer each time gaining greater understand of existance.

Like you say a lot of the trip reports of all psychoactives are often greatly exagerated this is why i started this thread to talk with people about the mental effects and their opinions rather than process of consumption.

When i say worship it is more about the time devoted to it as apposed to the religeous meaning in the context of the huciol or native americans not yourself or anyone else who has posted in the thread, at the moment i am quite heavily stoned and maybe did not word it as well as i could have

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14026504 - 02/25/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I definitely have more than i could eat in regards of Peyote have a quick look at my gallery some decent specimens, the only one i would not harvest the buttons from is the eldest one

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14026542 - 02/25/11 05:08 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Like you say a lot of the trip reports of all psychoactives are often greatly exagerated this is why i started this thread to talk with people about the mental effects and their opinions rather than process of consumption.


I totally understand the desire for this type of information as I too seek out the experiences of other individuals with peyote. I prefer to seek this in actual conversation rather than through static trip reports becuase trip reports have time and time again given me unrealistic expectations about many substances and the resulting dissapointment has made me wary about them.

Im really excited for you and I hope you have a wonderful experience and get everything you need from it. I already know the medicine has something good in store for you, I just hope that it is enjoyable on top of that. You already seem to be going about this the right way, the best way you know how so I give you my support (and prayers even though you don't want those prolly :yesnod: ).

Let me know how it goes. You don't have to write a report just drop me a pm.
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I definitely have more than i could eat in regards of Peyote have a quick look at my gallery some decent specimens, the only one i would not harvest the buttons from is the eldest one



I have taken the oppertunity many a time to view your lovely yoties in EG forum posts. You really take good care of your medicine and have some fine specimens. Much better looking than my dusty old grandpas :grin:


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #14026570 - 02/25/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

There is a part of me that is almost wanting to be truely humbled by it literally destroyed and rebuilt over and over, sometimes the rough trips are the ones containing the most powerful insights.

i'm up for where ever it takes me and i will try my best to stop my ego from resisting or controlling the experience.

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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14027025 - 02/25/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

very impressive cacti there bro. 
im sorry i don't have any advice to offer but you seem like you're in the right mindstate for a lifebending trip.


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Re: Has anyone here eaten fully mature naturally grown Peyote? [Re: GGTBod]
    #14027745 - 02/25/11 09:34 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Congrats!
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Enjoy your beautiful time! The higher the dose, the better!
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