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Tira



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Why Use a Scale?
#14023877 - 02/25/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok, here is what i don't understand. let's say (hypothetically) i have
5 big shrooms and 25 small shrooms (not aborts)
let's say that i weigh these shrooms by using a scale.
5 big shrooms 25 small shrooms 5g and 5 g too
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so they have the same weight.
but 1 smaller shroom is potent as 1 big shroom right?
so if i eat 5 big shrooms (which weigh 5g) i'll get a nice, smooth, fun trip.
but if i eat that 25 shrooms (which weigh 5 g too) i'll get mindfucked right?
so, how does learning the weight of your shrooms help you to arrange a dose?
they're both 5 grams but one gives me a nice trip and the other one will make me trip like hell.
i just don't get it. i'd be really happy if someone can explain me this.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14023922 - 02/25/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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can someone please explain this to me?
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14023927 - 02/25/11 03:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think they say the smaller the shroom the more psilo per grams so theoretically yes but set and setting play the biggest role imo
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: metall]
#14023928 - 02/25/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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also if u knew 5grams of the smaller shrooms would fuck u up u would weigh out less liek 3.5 rather then guess u took away a gram and a half
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14023929 - 02/25/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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but 1 smaller shroom is potent as 1 big shroom right?
No
Assuming a giant shroom and a tiny shroom of the same species had the same psilocybin/psilocin content by volume (which is not necessarily the case at all, but hypothetically anyways), that would logically mean that the huge shroom had wwwwwaaaaaaaay more than the small one.
Picture it as a glass of psilo instead of a mushroom. A tiny glass has a tiny shot, a huge glass holds a lot more.
I don't grow mushrooms or anything I'm just using logic here.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: LSDXM]
#14023931 - 02/25/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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crash mushrooms i believe produce more psilo at early stages of life thus as they get bigger there content is less per grams but not reall signifigant enough to affect a trip they the op thinks
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: metall]
#14023934 - 02/25/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is totally mind boggling to me. OP totally fucked me all up with this.
I was gonna say "well I mean, an eight is the standard dose, then five g for a five star trip and so on" but then, I dunno. There's so many factors here. How DOES measuring it work out? I mean it's basically a crap shoot right?
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: LSDXM]
#14023938 - 02/25/11 03:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Krash Kharma said: How DOES measuring it work out?
right?? i don't get it. why measure? how does knowing the weight help you arrange the dose. i don't get it.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14023942 - 02/25/11 03:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always just did it cuz that's what everyone does; eat an eight or half an eight or five grams or a quarter... but my first half eight trip was harder than my second and third full eighth trip...
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: LSDXM]
#14023959 - 02/25/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i like to weigh my dose 1-2g for a fun laugh2-4 to make me giggly and space and 5 + to dissolve my mental walls
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14024021 - 02/25/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP you are confused.
Maybe the small shrooms have a little higher level of psilocybin or maybe not. But its not like a 1-gram shroom has the same amount of psilocybin as a 5-gram shroom. As krash said, logic would tell you that the big shroom has about five times as much psilocybin as the small mushroom.
If you want to weigh a bunch of doses that are all relatively equal in psilocybin content, grind up your dried mushrooms into a powder, that way they are well-mixed, and the content gets distributed evenly. That way nobody gets the odd bunk mushroom or something. If that is what you're worried about.
You seem really confused. I think somebody told you some bad information and you are taking it as fact. Whoever told you that the small mushrooms have the same amount of psilocybin as the big ones did not know what he was talking about. We dose by weight because the psilocybin is distributed that way throughout the mushrooms, and it is fairly consistant - 3.5 grams gives an expected intensity, whether it's one big mushroom or a bunch of tiny ones, or a bag of powdered mushrooms for that matter. There are always variations, but that is the best way to measure your dose, not by number of mushrooms.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: drr]
#14024038 - 02/25/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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drr said: OP you are confused.
Maybe the small shrooms have a little higher level of psilocybin or maybe not. But its not like a 1-gram shroom has the same amount of psilocybin as a 5-gram shroom. As krash said, logic would tell you that the big shroom has about five times as much psilocybin as the small mushroom.
If you want to weigh a bunch of doses that are all relatively equal in psilocybin content, grind up your dried mushrooms into a powder, that way they are well-mixed, and the content gets distributed evenly. That way nobody gets the odd bunk mushroom or something. If that is what you're worried about.
You seem really confused. I think somebody told you some bad information and you are taking it as fact. Whoever told you that the small mushrooms have the same amount of psilocybin as the big ones did not know what he was talking about. We dose by weight because the psilocybin is distributed that way throughout the mushrooms, and it is fairly consistant - 3.5 grams gives an expected intensity, whether it's one big mushroom or a bunch of tiny ones, or a bag of powdered mushrooms for that matter. There are always variations, but that is the best way to measure your dose, not by number of mushrooms.
thank you. that was the answer i was looking for. you really explained it well. .)
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14024149 - 02/25/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i thought the little one do seem way more potent in a head fuck and visuals way but bigger ones seem to have a greater body load. it depends how fresh the shroom is when its picked. two could be the same size but one way better than the other big or small! in more forresty conditions ive seen they can be big and fresh and they seem to be on par by weight with the smaller ones i find closer to home
see how the ones in top left are way fresher? they would be more potent than the rest cas theylook fresher. if you chewed one of them it would be really springy but easy to chew with a bit of a chemical taste (like lsd) most of the rest would be getting more towards tasting like ass! this is all based on ones picked and eaten from wild never had home grown ones some of them look mighty tasty and HUGE!

yum these are the best!
these were found at a waterfall in a rainforrest and are generally bigger than one found in the suburbs.. on large doses of big skanky looking ones got really weird effects like my eyes lose control and cant focus on a thing which is really freaky cas your sobre clear headed and as u move ur head its like lookng thru jelly, couldnt walk without falling over too, serious jelly legs! just kept taking more but no real trip! did this a fair few times but now dont even touch big fucked ones! dunno if its cas some of the psilo degrades??? but yeah a few times woke up and my eyes are still like it the first time was scary but then it wears of after not too long. doesnt feel like a mush trip at a ll compared to nice frshies!
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What kind of shrooms are those?
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: drr]
#14024294 - 02/25/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Look like Azures
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14024327 - 02/25/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok, here is what i don't understand. let's say (hypothetically) i have
5 big shrooms and 25 small shrooms (not aborts)
let's say that i weigh these shrooms by using a scale.
5 big shrooms 25 small shrooms 5g and 5 g too
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so they have the same weight.
What if one of those "5 grams" is in fact 12 grams and you find this out, not on the scale but in your head?
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Tira]
#14024335 - 02/25/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey OP,
One gram of tiny mushrooms will generally be more potent than a single mushroom that weighs a gram. Like how some beers are stronger than others. It's a consideration, but not the only factor.
Also, multispore grows can be unpredictable- unless you've got an isolate, you can't really say much about dosing and content.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Doc_T]
#14024523 - 02/25/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the idea of using a scale is because we are not good at judging weights of items with different masses and shapes and sizes...
Keep you from taking 10 gm when you thought it was 5 gm...
Is it 100% infallible, no... Mainly because we are not accounting for 1) individual mushroom potency; 2) loss of potency with age/poor storage/poor handling; and 3) each persons own reaction to the drugs....
But.... Try eyeballing 1 gm of powder and 1gm of whole mushrooms...
Once you know your mushrooms and how You respond, then the scale even becomes better at judging how much you should take to get the response you want
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: Doc_T]
#14024644 - 02/25/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Hey OP,
One gram of tiny mushrooms will generally be more potent than a single mushroom that weighs a gram. Like how some beers are stronger than others. It's a consideration, but not the only factor.
Also, multispore grows can be unpredictable- unless you've got an isolate, you can't really say much about dosing and content.
Damn Doc, always beating me to the punch. MS is unpredictable at best. I've had a 2.5g mushroom than eaten 4gs of small mushrooms grown in the same batch and it was nothing compared to that 2.5g trip.
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Re: Why Use a Scale? [Re: siko887]
#14024665 - 02/25/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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From the book Magic Mushrooms By Peter Stafford(2003 Edition):
" Bigwood and Beug reported psilocybin in concentrations as large as 13.3 mg./gm. (1.3 percent) and psilocin in concentrations of 1.0 mg./gm. in a batch of dried Stropharia cubensis(Ps. cube) mushrooms. In the same sample however they also found psilocybin as low as 3.2 mg./gm. and psilocin at 1.8 mg./gm.
Moreover they discovered that the same variety in the same container produced greatly varying amounts of psychoactive constituents in different flushes appearing about a week apart. For example, they recorded the following psilocybin content in mg./gm. dry weight - for one sequence of five flush's: 8.3,6.5,13.3,4.8,6.8.
The potency of the third flush was twice that of the second and nearly three times that of the fourth.
The third flush did not show the highest psychoactive concentrations in other instances however. The only consistency found was that in the first flush psilocin - and the psilocybin and psilocin analogs were either barley present or entirely absent. Their strength then increased in subsequent flushes."
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