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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14030654 - 02/26/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
Me and a buddy were talking about this.

i say it is a learnt response.

Children clearly do not exhibit compassion.

i also think it has to do with fear of god, most the time.

Thoughts appreciated.




If babies came out with adult intelligence I have a feeling they would have compassion. The understanding of cause and effect being the reason for it. We all naturally are wanting and I think we all are short sighted naturally. I think it's all about doing onto others as you would have them do onto you. Understanding of consequence.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: Seanfu]
    #14031053 - 02/26/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seanfu said:
Quote:

AlphaFalfa said:
Me and a buddy were talking about this.

i say it is a learnt response.

Children clearly do not exhibit compassion.

i also think it has to do with fear of god, most the time.

Thoughts appreciated.




If babies came out with adult intelligence I have a feeling they would have compassion. The understanding of cause and effect being the reason for it.


Why would the understanding of cause & effect necessarily cause one to have compassion?


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We all naturally are wanting and I think we all are short sighted naturally.


Naturally wanting of what? What does being naturally wanting and short-sighted have to do with how the understanding of cause & effect causes one to have compassion?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: Poid]
    #14031247 - 02/26/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would the understanding of cause & effect necessarily cause one to have compassion?

Because you understand that your actions affect others, whereas before people understand that they are merciless bastards.

Naturally wanting of what? What does being naturally wanting and short-sighted have to do with how the understanding of cause & effect causes one to have compassion?

Just a case that children will exhibit little or no compassion because they have less understanding. Not because of moral training or lack of.

When I mentioned wanting, I mean we all want excess of everything really. So one would be greedy and that would affect compassion.

I am very high.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: Seanfu]
    #14031481 - 02/26/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seanfu said:
Why would the understanding of cause & effect necessarily cause one to have compassion?

Because you understand that your actions affect others...


So one cannot lack compassion while understanding how their actions effect others?


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Seanfu said:
...whereas before people understand that they are merciless bastards.


Before what?


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Seanfu said:
When I mentioned wanting, I mean we all want excess of everything really. So one would be greedy and that would affect compassion.


We don't want excess of everything, especially suffering; sure, greed effects compassion, what's your point? :undecided:


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I am very high.


I will be very soon. :vaped:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14034490 - 02/27/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have seen children show empathy and compassion, but they are lesslikely to do so if heavily indulged in sugar, and diversions.
suffering is common between all creatures, and children know this as well as dogs.
compassion is how we nurture ourselves through our own suffering and it is what we can present to others as well.
children do this naturally.
but nature responds to conditions, and indulgence and diversion serve to separate the connection to the core.
that said, some candy and entertainment is a must. how much depends on wisdom and compassion, and wisdom comes with maturity.

wisdom is much more about how much candy to take or give than anything else.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #14057652 - 03/02/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there is actually a chemical given off (oxytocin?) by mothers (whom arent damaged beyond the ability to produce it) which is called "the bonding hormone" the human machine releases it naturally, it isnt a taught behavior. Nurturing releases reward like hormones that give the feeling of euphoric like and contentful like feelings.

but again, we dont even have to go that far, knowing that compassion is instinct and natural (until removed by social or enviornement elements, or lack of the ability to due to physical damage or malformation of the brain)is easily observed.


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Re: is compassion natural? [Re: sixxy] * 1
    #14058559 - 03/03/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, the evolution of altruism is a well-researched area of biology. It is a natural response, inborn to most mammals.

If the original poster is actually interested in this, The Selfish Gene is a good place, paradoxically, to start.

Or even just this link:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/


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