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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: Canis latrans]
#14122375 - 03/14/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got a fucking solution for their problem
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amilibertine
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: Hakim0777]
#14123104 - 03/15/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: It's against federal law to purchase any firearm if you are in either of those categories, and it has been for a long, long time.
When you say "either of those" do you mean two of the categories or all three? The way you've written it sounds like you mean two. Just curious.
Also, can you provide a source for this law you're talking about?
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Hakim0777 said: Regulating guns is just like regulating drugs. Get rid of them and the only people who will have them are the fucked up ones. murder rates wouldnt change imo. That nutbag was gonna shoot giffords no matter what, legal or illegal.
You're absolutely right. In communities where it's common knowledge that a large majority of homeowners own guns several catagories of crime associated with guns (directly or indirectly) are well below the national average. For instance: Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
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Hakim0777 said:I do however think that it should be alot harder than it is now to get a gun. 
Why should it be more difficult? In most places you have to pass a background check in addition to having a few day waiting period in some places from the time of payment to when you can take your gun home. I can't see what other hoops you should have to jump though. It's a constitutional right and I agree with the framers on this issue; it's a right, not a privilege.
Violent criminals will always find away to get dangerous weapons. There will always be a small percentage of the population that want to hurt innocent people through violence. Just think of how many people could have been saved from death or injury in Arizona if everyone in that audience had a pistol. Same thing with school shootings, I'd rather have a real means with which to protect myself and others instead of cowering under a desk until the police come and "rescue" me. 
In a perfect world we wouldn't need guns anymore but that's not the world we live in. Guns are here to stay and I'd rather have one for protection that be defenseless.
In any case I guarantee that if my house has a sign stating that I own a couple nice shotguns that the people who were thinking about breaking in to rob me would move on to the next house. Unless, of course, they are professional thieves in which case they would study my habits and break in when I'm away...
then they meet my secret pack of rottweilers.
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ChuangTzu
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: amilibertine]
#14123268 - 03/15/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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amilibertine said: When you say "either of those" do you mean two of the categories or all three? The way you've written it sounds like you mean two. Just curious.
Also, can you provide a source for this law you're talking about?
I don't remember what I meant or who I was addressing when I wrote that, but all three categories are prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm under federal law.
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USC 18 C 44
Prohibited persons
The above only references 922(d) which deals with sale to prohibited persons. 922(g) deals with their possession:
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(g) It shall be unlawful for any person - (1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) who is a fugitive from justice; (3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution; (5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) who is subject to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate; (B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and (C)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce. (h) It shall be unlawful for any individual, who to that individual's knowledge and while being employed for any person described in any paragraph of subsection (g) of this section, in the course of such employment -
-USC 922(g)
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14123891 - 03/15/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hm i dunno, if somebody carry a gun i will stab him by surprise and grab it. it didn't really make sense anyway we were simply trying to prevent our kids not to shoot at us.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: communeart]
#14124041 - 03/15/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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communeart said: Hm i dunno, if somebody carry a gun i will stab him by surprise and grab it. it didn't really make sense anyway we were simply trying to prevent our kids not to shoot at us.
you need a better translation program
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: communeart]
#14124672 - 03/15/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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communeart said: Hm i dunno, if somebody carry a gun i will stab him by surprise and grab it. it didn't really make sense anyway we were simply trying to prevent our kids not to shoot at us.
Good luck grabbing a gun from someone more than a few feet away. As a matter of fact, good luck even being able to "stab and grab" someone who is in arms reach.
You have set the bar for silly statements to an all time high.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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ChuangTzu
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Re: The Violent, Mentally Ill and Drug Abusers Not Allowed to Purchase Firearms [Re: communeart]
#14126374 - 03/15/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why would you stab someone just because they were carrying a gun? The only way you could do that would be if you were the aggressor.
And if your kid really wants to shoot you, I think you have some serious problems, gun or not...
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