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Solution to Big Government * 1
    #14022364 - 02/24/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The government, such as congress and house of representatives was created for convinience. As durring the times it would be hard to have everyone vote on every issue. So we selected people to represent larger groups of people to make those decision.

Times have changed. This is no longer a necessity and in fact has become a hinderance to the will of the people.

With our connectivity today, it is very possible for each one of us to vote on each one of the issues and bills that we want to.

Like the issues in Libya, where the residents are begging the world for help. They want a piece of that freedom that we have. This is one of the only reasons I think America should ever intervene, and fails to do so. Each one of the citizens in America should be involved in this decision. Very easily could we log onto a website, listen to the debates in favor and opposing, then decide with the click of a mouse.

There is no need for all of these people to represent us. We can represent ourselves.

Sure issues such as security would arise, but with time it would become as solid as a rock. I think that I should be able to decide on each issue that I deem worthy.

What we are doing now, is equivalent to choosing a court jester and hope that he keeps his word after we choose him.

So often this is not the case. We all deserve a voice on every matter that effects us and the world. We have been silenced by our own government through the very system which was created for us to be our voice.

Would you have a problem with this or can you forsee any obstacles that may present themselves?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14022447 - 02/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander]
    #14022463 - 02/24/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14022493 - 02/24/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it would be disasterous... though I'm not sure if it would be slightly worse or slightly better.:laugh:


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
    #14022511 - 02/24/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Disasterous how?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #14022570 - 02/24/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The concensus of the people would be known on every issue.

That's what it's all about!

There won't be anyone to bribe or be corrupted except for the people themselves. No one to blame but ourselves.

We would still have ambassador's and a President, as well as those necessarry personal. Just the representatives and senate would be eliminated.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

At minimum these people make $174,000 a year.

535 in congress and 435 in the house = 970

174,000 x 970 = $168,780,000


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14022595 - 02/24/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The concensus of the people would be known on every issue.




Yes, but people would still be people.

You think a majority would be benevolent and pass on majority rule?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
    #14022667 - 02/24/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think about that. It is not for me to decide, only us to decide.

Ask yourself the same question about the people currently there.

Are they always right?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14022827 - 02/24/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think about that.




I was hopeing you would.

Majority rule would be the end of minority rights. There would be no difference between politicians and preachers, only a bully pulpit and cunning players... much like things are today.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
    #14022997 - 02/24/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I see little substance to your argument. Pure speculation.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14023066 - 02/24/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is speculation because there are so few examples of pure democracy. When it is practiced, it is done so in a limited context.

I am open to more input, however I generally don't see the lack of cooperation between humans as a whole as a failure of specific groups of individuals. We are reaching a point where pure democracy is technically feasible, but I'm gonna need a little more faith in humanity before I get optimistic about it. Individuals have been commandeering groups towards selfish desires throughout history. Leaders and followers. Wipe that out with a fancy voting process and I will be impressed.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14023147 - 02/24/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I believe a conditional democracy could prove worthwhile. Popularization of our government could develop a stronger bond between the common citizen and its federal body of government. In other words, it will get people to care. Stop voting for people to think for you, vote for you, and represent you, in terms of the electoral college at least. Vote for yourself, literally. But, i don't think the right to vote should be freely handed out either. Voter aptitude tests should be required in order to give more value to their votes. Voters should at least know what each candidate, or law, stands for, instead of being convinced by a campaign ad.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14023568 - 02/25/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The US has WAY too many people for that to work
The "people" aren't that smart


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14023585 - 02/25/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe a conditional democracy could prove worthwhile. Popularization of our government could develop a stronger bond between the common citizen and its federal body of government. In other words, it will get people to care. Stop voting for people to think for you, vote for you, and represent you, in terms of the electoral college at least. Vote for yourself, literally. But, i don't think the right to vote should be freely handed out either. Voter aptitude tests should be required in order to give more value to their votes. Voters should at least know what each candidate, or law, stands for, instead of being convinced by a campaign ad.




I would vote to have an option that lets people side with the pres on the issue. I think every citizen deserves a vote. If they know that they don't understand they could side with the President.

Imagine how simple it would be to communicate these issues on open forums t0o!


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #14036947 - 02/27/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i like a few of the things people have to say in here. first off, no country is truly free unless they make decisions in a unanimous vote; there will always be losers.

giving everyone the right to vote on issues online, free of congress, is dangerous. the majority will always win and society will favor a specific sector of the population (probably the rich). if we were going to test a system like this, i think votes should be awarded to people based on intelligence. but its definitely much more complex than that, something im sure many people have pondered.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: smokin427]
    #15120067 - 09/22/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The protesters in New York are calling for a Direct Democracy! WOOOOT!


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #15120726 - 09/23/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I forsee pages upon pages of worthless to near worthless opinions. You place too much stock into the average citizen, not everyone is as intelligent as yourself. 

What we are doing now, is equivalent to choosing a court jester and hope that he keeps his word after we choose him.

Very true, and I do believe virtual voting could substantially improve the system, though imo this should be done by creating a program to assign values to each vote, putting an end to the "one person, one vote" concept. I beleive this would cause politicians to focus more on policies and less on polls, putting an end to jokes like Palin and Perry. I doubt this will ever happen, though.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: mushiepussy]
    #15120808 - 09/23/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Good idea but it could use some work.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Fragment]
    #15125702 - 09/24/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Always open to suggestions :smile:


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #15127161 - 09/24/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Majority rule would be the end of minority rights."

As opposed to democracy where we have affirmative action and the majority turns into another minority.

Meritocracy ftw. Majority rule could go truly stupid or truly smart. There is no in between.

What we have now is already the ultimate meritocracy. It always has been too.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander]
    #15129230 - 09/24/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
:lol:



It's nice in theory, in an ideal world where we arn't a fat, sad, stupid country. Democracy is overrated.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Notwoodyallen]
    #15129446 - 09/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Humanity is overrated.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander]
    #15129472 - 09/24/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Humanity is overrated.




In your case I definitely agree.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Notwoodyallen]
    #15129473 - 09/24/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free.. it expects what never was, and never will be". -Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #15129582 - 09/24/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Humanity is overrated.




In your case I definitely agree.





Yeah well I'm pretty impressed by you too so the feeling is definitely mutual.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #15130674 - 09/25/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Teknix, the following is a post a made on my facebook at the beginning of August, just as the riots flared up here in the UK.

How bad would it have to get for the people that are now condemning the looters to take to the streets in legitimate protest ? I think the kind of government we have is out dated, a product of a time when communication was so bad that areas needed a representative at the seat of power. Now we have the inter-web the same people that give up their voice to an mp by voting for them, could all be responsible for their own governance. An E~ Parliament, with people debating and voting on laws and policies. It would remove a good few layers off the top of the British political pyramid and make Britain a true democracy, and wouldn't tens of millions voting on issues be more proportionate than hundreds voting on them. Does that sound like a mad idea ? Worked for the X-factor.

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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Brainstem]
    #27576827 - 12/11/21 01:51 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I wrote this when bitcoin and the blockchain was a small fry. The way the blockchain has evolved over the years have created a way to tally votes transparently over a blockchain that each person could personally verify that their vote was tallied correctly using a random sequence of seemingly random characters.

The money printing is out of hand, the government is a huge waste of expenditures, continuing the debt cycle by increasing the debt limit, rather than paying it down. Our government has proven itself to be inefficient at the very least.

One thing I have been thinking about lately, that would be a start, rather than a complete change is to take some power back from congress. Congress needs rules and restrictions put on them, but they make the laws, and seldom do they make laws to limit their own powers. One way to do that would be to simply disallow trading stocks while in office.

Congress has long used their position for monetary gain generally over ethical morals and values. Congress makes the laws which everyone is expected to adhere to however they rarely make laws that limit their own powers. The government has become more powerful by slowly taking the power from the people. It is time we start taking our power back, starting with eliminating stock trading for sitting congressional members and their families, so that we do not rely on on their honesty, but rather laws that would prevent any sitting member of congress from using their influence directly for monetary gain.

If there was not as much incentive for monetary gain from the congressional positions, the officials would be more likely to base their decisions more on the merit of a proposition, rather than any possible monetary gain. The same goes for the rest of the officials privy to information ahead of the masses. However, if congress was limited first and foremost, they would be more apt to limit others from using their political positions from unethical monetary gains.

I made this into a petition, it could probably be written better, and if someone could write one better post it and i'll sign it, but if you agree then sign it!

https://chng.it/zdZt89LBL2

Furthermore, we need a way for people to make laws rather than relying on congress, especially for the laws to regulate and restrict congress.

Having representatives isn't a bad idea, but laws and their creation (or the repealing of them) shouldn't be exclusive to representatives, nor should it be exclusive to congress. If the vast majority of citizens agree on something, then who is congress to stand in the way of it becomming a rule or repealed?

Our system of government just seems extremely ineeficient, even though I do believe that the citizens should have inalienable rights, and should all have a say in our countries governance, but how can we do it more efficiently then our current system, with it loopholes, innacuracies, and possibilities for dishonesty and corruption?

If say 70% of the population wanted something changed, it should be as simple as casting a vote recorded on the blockchain, and then enacted in law once it passed the checks and balances (integrity) of the votes. If  70% of the population all took time out of their day to submit a vote over a blockchain (psuedo-anonymously), and that proposition became law, then we would truly have a democracy.

The same with voting for a president, or a representative.

To eliminate corruption you can't rely on honesty and morals, you have to remove the possibility of it all together!


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27576832 - 12/11/21 01:54 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Imagine a government wallet that records all transactions publically, from the office of the treasury to the wallet of the contractor. All transparent.

Imagine the people having the ability to counter congress.

Imagine the increase in efficiency of the IRS and even in accounting, if all corporations and their officials were required to use a blockchain for transactions, in pure transparency.

Imagine your vote actually mattering.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27577041 - 12/11/21 08:25 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Why imagine such nonsense?
If we want nonsense, Alice in Wonderland, fairy tales, and Limericks are better.
Nonsense such as you propose only leads to muddled thinking and disappointment.

For a vote to matter there would have to be something worth voting for, and honest politicians, an oxymoron. And just as President Bush's idea of exporting democracy , to countries that never had it, and had uneducated populaces, was baloney - the same pretty much applies to the USA. Only blind patriotism could hide this fact. Sad, but I think its better to confront truth, ... you know the red pill vs Santa Claus.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27577081 - 12/11/21 09:06 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Imagine a government wallet that records all transactions publically, from the office of the treasury to the wallet of the contractor. All transparent.

Imagine the people having the ability to counter congress.

Imagine the increase in efficiency of the IRS and even in accounting, if all corporations and their officials were required to use a blockchain for transactions, in pure transparency.

Imagine your vote actually mattering.



I do imagine this, with all web transactions going through a rights broker that simultaneously evaluates the rights to access and the rights to create content as well as the truthiness of the content.

the broker has to be an AI that can explain every decision, and whose code can only be changed by democratic process.

yeah, I think about that kind of thing, so?
we'll probably get there when there is no other place to go.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27581898 - 12/15/21 03:44 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That people should be honoured among the masses for their merit..

Smarter thoughts give more societal award and all effort should pay off in society as equal to the energy output of the man-unit and get that much input as a type of currency.. as reward for utils of energy spent.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27581957 - 12/15/21 05:15 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I am still reading that true democracy is not merit based, nor popularity based, but based upon lottery of qualified people to do public work.

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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27582207 - 12/15/21 09:32 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)



Of course she says "no", but is saying "it's a free market" an apt reason?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27582272 - 12/15/21 10:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Of course she says "no", but is saying "it's a free market" an apt reason?



Possibly there is no formal Rule Book for Integrity Among Legislators.
In this iteration, we have a combination of Theatrics and Gladiators - politicians governing and performing their entertaining crafts in self-perpetuity, meanwhile stumbling from one war into the next, and occasionally making things worse.

If you cannot solve a problem - change the subject, either the problem will peter out or someone else will solve it, that's why we have the scope dance - similar to gerrymandering, but applied mid-crisis to the boundaries of impunity.

Many items of interest, these days, are manipulations and distracting propaganda pursuant to the next huge profit grab,  Covid is a huge issue and cornucopia of distracting propaganda's at the same time. More news as soon as the back room deals are done and they decide what to call it.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27587725 - 12/19/21 08:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Algorithms can calculate optimal tax rates for maximum systemic wealth and prosperity, and all manner of other laws, et cetera.

But so far as literal democracy, it would take one whopping revolution to get rid of all of the political parasites, corporate & special interest racketeers, and others who profit from the current system.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27587741 - 12/19/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

a new system could evolve out of this and not grandfather the useless waste forward.

it may be as low level as access rights and personal information protection on the web which extends into voting for issues, personal aptitude fulfillment, jobs, government, hospitals, army, manufacturing, universities etc.

the lobbyists may have no lobby to hang out in.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27589842 - 12/21/21 06:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

The purpose of any government is to provide for the people.. services, intelligence, goods supporting the utility function of units (individuals)

We need emergency support.. which can come from governments or corporations.. or even cooperatives.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27589878 - 12/21/21 07:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

that's interesting - equating corporations with governments.
corporations are about profit.

government is not a business, it is about operations that support people and families beyond the walls of the home in a district. corporations have no such mandate.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27590107 - 12/21/21 11:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Pay the corporations to do the same things governments do?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27591268 - 12/22/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I completely agree with your OP. I'd personally prefer a board of experts to replace all Government instead of Presidents and anything relating to politics. It's old and needs to die, literally and figuratively. We need the best of the best in academics(Scientists, Doctors, Journalists<real ones> etc.) conveying our global and local issues to us and like you said with our technology it is no issue to vote through that as often as needed/wanted.

After all, where I live we do plenty of government related shit on our devices like renewing licenses, covid related bs etc.

There is no logical excuse to keep using paper to vote, let alone vote once every four years.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27591335 - 12/23/21 12:16 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Should the bright of us rule us..?

Or are we the captains of our destiny?


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27591427 - 12/23/21 04:16 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Big government is absolutely the biggest problem facing this plane of reality at this time, IMHO.

Collectivism is both a fallacy and metaphysical contradiction.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27591491 - 12/23/21 06:19 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27591542 - 12/23/21 07:35 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Should the bright of us rule us..?

Or are we the captains of our destiny?




It's not "ruling" us. It's conveying our issues in layman's terms so everyone is educated enough to vote on something.

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qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.




Sort of, except no one should be forced to do anything so if they want to decline, there is always someone else in that same field willing.

Also, corporations should be forced to pay their fair share. Everyone would get a cut. No more socialism(subsidies) to big oil for example. That way the experts can't bribe or be lobbied by anyone. The military industrial complex can fuck off too. Corporations would be done deciding for people what's profitable and what's not.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27591922 - 12/23/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.

maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,

but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27592053 - 12/23/21 03:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.

maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,

but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.




I personally don't think anyone would decline unless something else they want to do is more important to them. I think it's when we force people to do things they don't want to and convince them to because of money, fame etc. That's where corruption can form. There will always be someone else right for the job as long as they are given the opportunity.


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    #27592058 - 12/23/21 03:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.

amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27592082 - 12/23/21 04:23 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.

amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.




Agreed. Absolutely!


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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27592681 - 12/24/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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that's interesting - equating corporations with governments.
corporations are about profit.

government is not a business, it is about operations that support people and families beyond the walls of the home in a district. corporations have no such mandate.




Historically, it's not so different. The structure of our modern system of government (Senate/Parliament following parliamentary procedure balanced by the Executive function) came directly from feudalism in the UK. The more land one had in Parliament, the more important that peer was. A corporation is a miniature fiefdom where stock replaces land. The more stock one has, the more important. Both were all about providing profit to the land/stock holders, and citizens received protection just the same as cattle or any other income-producing assets.

Today several corporations and special interest groups run and control the government so we as the populace are still just income producing assets. We are only as protected as we need to be in order to continue producing revenue for our feudal owners.

If modern government in the English-speaking world (which was originally a system of profiteering from Norman thuggery) can be redeemed into a system to serve the populace, then it's sister who was also born of feudalism (corporations) can as well.

Relief was the job of the church. Exempli grati, hospitals were mostly all owned by the church. 

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I completely agree with your OP. I'd personally prefer a board of experts to replace all Government instead of Presidents and anything relating to politics. It's old and needs to die, literally and figuratively. We need the best of the best in academics(Scientists, Doctors, Journalists<real ones> etc.) conveying our global and local issues to us and like you said with our technology it is no issue to vote through that as often as needed/wanted.




Government can be privatized for greater efficiency (competition has Darwinistic effects) and algoarchy will eventually be determining most corporate decisions. Algoarchy and maths are already in control of Wall Street.


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