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Solution to Big Government 1
#14022364 - 02/24/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The government, such as congress and house of representatives was created for convinience. As durring the times it would be hard to have everyone vote on every issue. So we selected people to represent larger groups of people to make those decision.
Times have changed. This is no longer a necessity and in fact has become a hinderance to the will of the people.
With our connectivity today, it is very possible for each one of us to vote on each one of the issues and bills that we want to.
Like the issues in Libya, where the residents are begging the world for help. They want a piece of that freedom that we have. This is one of the only reasons I think America should ever intervene, and fails to do so. Each one of the citizens in America should be involved in this decision. Very easily could we log onto a website, listen to the debates in favor and opposing, then decide with the click of a mouse.
There is no need for all of these people to represent us. We can represent ourselves.
Sure issues such as security would arise, but with time it would become as solid as a rock. I think that I should be able to decide on each issue that I deem worthy.
What we are doing now, is equivalent to choosing a court jester and hope that he keeps his word after we choose him.
So often this is not the case. We all deserve a voice on every matter that effects us and the world. We have been silenced by our own government through the very system which was created for us to be our voice.
Would you have a problem with this or can you forsee any obstacles that may present themselves?
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14022447 - 02/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander]
#14022463 - 02/24/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14022493 - 02/24/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it would be disasterous... though I'm not sure if it would be slightly worse or slightly better.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
#14022511 - 02/24/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Disasterous how?
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Icelander] 1
#14022570 - 02/24/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The concensus of the people would be known on every issue.
That's what it's all about!
There won't be anyone to bribe or be corrupted except for the people themselves. No one to blame but ourselves.
We would still have ambassador's and a President, as well as those necessarry personal. Just the representatives and senate would be eliminated.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
At minimum these people make $174,000 a year.
535 in congress and 435 in the house = 970
174,000 x 970 = $168,780,000
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14022595 - 02/24/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The concensus of the people would be known on every issue.
Yes, but people would still be people.
You think a majority would be benevolent and pass on majority rule?
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
#14022667 - 02/24/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think about that. It is not for me to decide, only us to decide.
Ask yourself the same question about the people currently there.
Are they always right?
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14022827 - 02/24/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think about that.
I was hopeing you would.
Majority rule would be the end of minority rights. There would be no difference between politicians and preachers, only a bully pulpit and cunning players... much like things are today.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Rahz]
#14022997 - 02/24/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see little substance to your argument. Pure speculation.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14023066 - 02/24/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is speculation because there are so few examples of pure democracy. When it is practiced, it is done so in a limited context.
I am open to more input, however I generally don't see the lack of cooperation between humans as a whole as a failure of specific groups of individuals. We are reaching a point where pure democracy is technically feasible, but I'm gonna need a little more faith in humanity before I get optimistic about it. Individuals have been commandeering groups towards selfish desires throughout history. Leaders and followers. Wipe that out with a fancy voting process and I will be impressed.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14023147 - 02/24/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe a conditional democracy could prove worthwhile. Popularization of our government could develop a stronger bond between the common citizen and its federal body of government. In other words, it will get people to care. Stop voting for people to think for you, vote for you, and represent you, in terms of the electoral college at least. Vote for yourself, literally. But, i don't think the right to vote should be freely handed out either. Voter aptitude tests should be required in order to give more value to their votes. Voters should at least know what each candidate, or law, stands for, instead of being convinced by a campaign ad.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14023568 - 02/25/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The US has WAY too many people for that to work The "people" aren't that smart
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: meatcakeman]
#14023585 - 02/25/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meatcakeman said: I believe a conditional democracy could prove worthwhile. Popularization of our government could develop a stronger bond between the common citizen and its federal body of government. In other words, it will get people to care. Stop voting for people to think for you, vote for you, and represent you, in terms of the electoral college at least. Vote for yourself, literally. But, i don't think the right to vote should be freely handed out either. Voter aptitude tests should be required in order to give more value to their votes. Voters should at least know what each candidate, or law, stands for, instead of being convinced by a campaign ad.
I would vote to have an option that lets people side with the pres on the issue. I think every citizen deserves a vote. If they know that they don't understand they could side with the President.
Imagine how simple it would be to communicate these issues on open forums t0o!
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#14036947 - 02/27/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i like a few of the things people have to say in here. first off, no country is truly free unless they make decisions in a unanimous vote; there will always be losers.
giving everyone the right to vote on issues online, free of congress, is dangerous. the majority will always win and society will favor a specific sector of the population (probably the rich). if we were going to test a system like this, i think votes should be awarded to people based on intelligence. but its definitely much more complex than that, something im sure many people have pondered.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: smokin427]
#15120067 - 09/22/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The protesters in New York are calling for a Direct Democracy! WOOOOT!
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#15120726 - 09/23/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I forsee pages upon pages of worthless to near worthless opinions. You place too much stock into the average citizen, not everyone is as intelligent as yourself.
What we are doing now, is equivalent to choosing a court jester and hope that he keeps his word after we choose him.
Very true, and I do believe virtual voting could substantially improve the system, though imo this should be done by creating a program to assign values to each vote, putting an end to the "one person, one vote" concept. I beleive this would cause politicians to focus more on policies and less on polls, putting an end to jokes like Palin and Perry. I doubt this will ever happen, though.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: mushiepussy]
#15120808 - 09/23/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good idea but it could use some work.
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Fragment]
#15125702 - 09/24/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Always open to suggestions
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
#15127161 - 09/24/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Majority rule would be the end of minority rights."
As opposed to democracy where we have affirmative action and the majority turns into another minority.
Meritocracy ftw. Majority rule could go truly stupid or truly smart. There is no in between.
What we have now is already the ultimate meritocracy. It always has been too.
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