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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: biologys]
    #14022856 - 02/24/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Go for it!


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: stonesun]
    #14022858 - 02/24/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think you didn't let it colonize fully


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14022873 - 02/24/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The myc need some time to digest the sub and store nutrients.
How many days you've given to colonize/consolidate the myc?


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14023007 - 02/24/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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how many days you've given to colonize/consolidate the myc?




I think that tray got 12-13 days.


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: stonesun]
    #14023016 - 02/24/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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They're definitely Psilocybes.
I mean most likely they are cubes, but some of the fruits
look different.:shrug:
What they supposed to be?




They're supposed to be brazil. Any thoughts on what else they could be?


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14023020 - 02/24/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think you didn't let it colonize fully



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The myc need some time to digest the sub and store nutrients.
How many days you've given to colonize/consolidate the myc?



Come on you guys that has absolutely nuthin to do with it.


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: milkalfredo]
    #14023035 - 02/24/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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They're definitely Psilocybes.
I mean most likely they are cubes, but some of the fruits
look different.:shrug:
What they supposed to be?




They're supposed to be brazil. Any thoughts on what else they could be?



Its still your brazils its just crap genetics


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: deladude]
    #14023038 - 02/24/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you say so...


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14023074 - 02/24/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you say so...



Mycdoesnt care when u tell it to fruit if its not ready it will wait til it is. Fruiting too early won't affect anything but contam rate


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: deladude]
    #14023094 - 02/24/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you say so...



Mycdoesnt care when u tell it to fruit if its not ready it will wait til it is. Fruiting too early won't affect anything but contam rate




I doubt that.
Fruiting too early will also cause tiny fruits because the myc need time to digest the sub and store nutrient's.
Or am i wrong at this??


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14023110 - 02/24/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you say so...



Mycdoesnt care when u tell it to fruit if its not ready it will wait til it is. Fruiting too early won't affect anything but contam rate




I doubt that.
Fruiting too early will also cause tiny fruits because the myc need time to digest the sub and store nutrient's.
Or am i wrong at this??



Most definitely wrong


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: stonesun]
    #14023235 - 02/24/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Some of those fruits don't even look like P. cubensis...





Agreed.

OP, take a few pictures of fruits after you've picked them.  I'd like to see the upper stipe and gills.
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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: milkalfredo]
    #14024000 - 02/25/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Assuming that genetics is NOT the issue, because there's nothing we could do about that - what are some reasons for smaller mushrooms on a bulk tray?

- Bulk is coir using Daimon's tek
- Humidity is at a constant 90-95%
- Top of substrate is yellowish
- Mist/fan upwards of 5 times per day

Getting mushrooms 1" high at maturity. Any thoughts? Also, our holes in the GH are pretty large. Could that be an issue?







Anyone has a clue ....?


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14024897 - 02/25/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Some of those fruits don't even look like P. cubensis...





Agreed.

OP, take a few pictures of fruits after you've picked them.  I'd like to see the upper stipe and gills.
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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: milkalfredo]
    #14024917 - 02/25/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe the sub was a little over optimal field capacity during colonisation.:shrug:




That'd be my guess....your substrate is too wet...I'd reduce the mistings...possibly skip the dunk.


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: milkalfredo]
    #14024936 - 02/25/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

These are p. cub's.

Could it be, that if you spawn multi-strain grain to coir, with a higher spawn ratio like 1:2 or 1:1 there are so many different strains in the sub so every single strain has not a big amount/space of myc in the sub, what causes these little fruits?:shrug:
This would explain that everybody who is working with isolates doesn't even know about this problem?!
Just a thought...


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14024961 - 02/25/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I did my last tubs @ 1:2 & have no problem w/ tiny fruits...we'll see on these next ones, I've got them @ 1:1...

but, off the top of my head, I'd say no...


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14024969 - 02/25/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I did my last tubs @ 1:2 & have no problem w/ tiny fruits...we'll see on these next ones, I've got them @ 1:1...

but, off the top of my head, I'd say no...




Do you use multi-strain-grain?


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: Luger0815]
    #14024987 - 02/25/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:awesomenod:  :yesnod:

MS syringe --> WBS ----> G2G ---> bulk (coir + verm + gypsum) ---> GH

(forgot the last step) --> nom nom nom


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Re: Reasons for small mushrooms on bulk tray [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14025008 - 02/25/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Okay i might be wrong at this but if you go G2G you reduce the number of strains in the jars every time you transfer.
Maybe this is enough to get good result's.
Imagine a bulk with 1000 different strains in one Sub, can this be good?


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