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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018902 - 02/24/11 09:15 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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the government knows whats best for you.




In this case they absolutely do.




bull.shit

If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice. My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14018919 - 02/24/11 09:18 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Oh yeah and as mentioned before the seatbelt thing is for insurance purposes. If you get in an accident without a seatbelt you probably will incur more damage to yourself making it much more expensive for whoever you were in an accident with if they were at fault. If you get into a major accident without a seatbelt you are more likely to go through the windshield or even die, rather than just being seriously injured.

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018928 - 02/24/11 09:21 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

all i gotta say is..  if you wanna hurt yourself i dont give a SHIT!!  thats your problem..  and if you wanna kill yourself.. its your life.. go ahead..  you can get away with it just like you get away with doing drugs..  whatever floats your boat man.. :failboat:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14018987 - 02/24/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice.




"wrong" and "illegal" are not the same thing, they shouldn't ever be confused.

In my view, laws are there to provide for an orderly society, not to dictate morality.

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My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.




If you don't agree with the law, break it. Sounds like it didn't stop your dad.

The fact is that laws like this enable our social services to step in and help people that really need it.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14019063 - 02/24/11 09:59 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.





Maybe because if you fly through a windshield or get kicked out your side window you will be covered in blood. Then the rescue crews or EMT's will have to deal with that shit. If you have a disease then we are more at risk if you blood is everywhere. If you kept your seatbelt on then you would have a chance to be saved by the airbags or the seatbelt itself.

One time I went on a call and some girl was bleeding everywhere. Tons of blood. Tons of glass and sharp car parts everywhere. My best friend went to take off his glove to hold her hand which had blood on it. The chief smack him in the helmet and set put your fucking gloves back on. For that exact reason.

Because they minimize the risk for everybody.

As far as motorcycles and helmets go in pennsyvania? I have no idea why they can ride withtout them. Last cycle accident I was on. well lets just say there was no head left. Only brains. :smile:

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019083 - 02/24/11 10:03 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Rebirtha said:
If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice.




"wrong" and "illegal" are not the same thing, they shouldn't ever be confused.

In my view, laws are there to provide for an orderly society, not to dictate morality.

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My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.




If you don't agree with the law, break it. Sounds like it didn't stop your dad.

The fact is that laws like this enable our social services to step in and help people that really need it.




How does making suicide illegal help those prone to it? It made his life much much harder on him and my family. He was basically immobile in a bed and could not move. He decided to end his own life but needed help doing that since he was weak. Nurses could only deny him water for a week and load him up with opiates until he passed. He suffered for a week under those conditions rather than just being able to end his life peacefully. How does making suicide illegal help social services?

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019093 - 02/24/11 10:05 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Because when some dumbass opens their veins unsuccessfully, they aren't just patched up and sent home to try it again, they get attention from the social services that hopefully helps them resolve their issues.

I don't think people actually get prosecuted for suicide much, by the way. Haven't looked into it.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019096 - 02/24/11 10:05 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

they should make "suicide booths"  like in futurama!  watch this!
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=136575&title=suicide-booth


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019101 - 02/24/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Because when some dumbass opens their veins unsuccessfully, they aren't just patched up and sent home to try it again, they get attention from the social services that hopefully helps them resolve their issues.

I don't think people actually get prosecuted for suicide much, by the way. Haven't looked into it.




Getting help has nothing to do with being illegal. They can get help without it being illegal. Obviously nobody gets arrested for suicide, but if you read my post my father had to go through a week of horrible suffering and living and mental hell to end his life rather then having the legal ability have a nurse euthanize him.

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019105 - 02/24/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

I won't argue with you on that one.

I'm explaining "their" logic.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019118 - 02/24/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

"it's all bullshit and its bad for ya"

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019125 - 02/24/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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my father had to go through a week of horrible suffering and living and mental hell to end his life rather then having the legal ability have a nurse euthanize him.




Assisted suicide is a whole nother ballgame to me, that shit should be legal.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Almond Flour] * 3
    #14019135 - 02/24/11 10:13 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

On the one hand, a person with a terminal disease who has nothing to look forward to besides a life of horrible pain should be allowed to kill him/herself. On the other hand, a clinically depressed young person with his whole life ahead of him should be prevented from committing suicide and urged into treatment. That's the way I see it, anyway. And they never prosecute a suicidal person, at least in my experience. They usually will involuntarily commit that person to a mental hospital, though.

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14019156 - 02/24/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: wow]
    #14019224 - 02/24/11 10:37 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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they should make "suicide booths"  like in futurama!  watch this!
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=136575&title=suicide-booth




suicide booths date back farther than futurama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_booth


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Mello Kitty] * 3
    #14020656 - 02/24/11 03:44 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law



that is not a fact lol


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14020688 - 02/24/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.




better get it right the first time  :header:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14020693 - 02/24/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law has made itself Self-Aware. this world has become a competitive capitalist Rat-race.
the illegality and moral stance on Suicide is programmed into us at birth and through many generations to keep us here so that we continue to CONSUME, OBEY, FETCH, & ROLL OVER on command.
this is the reason that the people that have attempted Suicide were Resuscitated. so that we can continue to CONSUME and benefit those who rule this world with an Iron-Fist.




:Trollface:

Ending your own life isn't ethical?

What if I take out a huge life insurance policy on myself to a random stranger in need?

In other news, suicidal emos need to wait till they're in midlife, and marry me prior to killing themselves.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14020695 - 02/24/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law



that is not a fact lol






fun fact:

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Seppuku (切腹?, "stomach-cutting") is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was originally reserved only for samurai. Part of the samurai bushido honor code, seppuku was used voluntarily by samurai to die with honour rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely suffer torture), as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to them. The ceremonial disembowelment, which is usually part of a more elaborate ritual and performed in front of spectators, consists of plunging a short blade, traditionally a tantō, into the abdomen and moving the blade from left to right in a slicing motion.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku








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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14020702 - 02/24/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.



Attempted suicide can also be a cry for help, which would explain how you'd somehow fuck up at killing yourself

and no, humans aren't exactly the most rational creatures


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