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Icelander said: The corrupt teachers union. You have no idea.
are you aNGRY at a teacher for giving you a grade? how dare they judge you!
Nice try. Well not really very good. Maybe a D+
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14021444 - 02/24/11 06:03 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Again and I can't stress this enough. As much as you believe technology will save the human race the odds are distinctly against that for one very very important reason. Human psychology and emotions. They have not altered in known human history with it's preponderance of wars and strife. Just because it's all happening faster doesn't mean the outcome is going to be any different.
What do you think about possible future neurotechnology that can modify the brain/optimize these maladaptive neurotic tendencies of our psychology?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: deCypher]
#14021671 - 02/24/11 06:29 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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As Kostler said in his book "Ghost in the Machine" something like that is likely our only hope.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14021886 - 02/24/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Here's Diploid in another thread.
Like him, I used to think that technology, especially the internet, would bring the world together. What has actually happened is that it has segregated us more than ever.
There are IRC chat rooms for drug users. Non-drug users never go there. Other chats for Muslims. Other religions never go there. Web sites written in Spanish and other in Chinese. English speakers never go there. More and more people interact only with like minded people on-line and less and less go out into the real world to interact with a cross section of society.
The list goes on and on.
Couple that with entire countries that use that very same potentiating technology to isolate themselves. In China, any search that might tend to break down barriers between them and others is censored. And the Chinese are such sheeple that they don't seem to mind being told what to think by their government.
Despite mirror neurons, humans are doomed, IMO. We will never get along and that video is wishful thinking and nothing more.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14022643 - 02/24/11 09:43 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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teknix said: Your narrow focus is why you don't see America's role with the World.
I am not to condone misdeeds of the past, however, am I to blame for them? Are you?
It has been done.
The future is the focus.
Your narrow focus on America's History has little to do with the Future of the World.
Everyone makes mistakes, we are human.
Are all Germans responsible for the Holocaust?
You said bedrock. That is a Myth. I'm guessing I know a lot more about the actual history and current political situation in this country than you do. Our history was not a "mistake". It was deliberate and is still going on deliberately and most Americans back it if not in word than in deed and lifestyle.
Imo it's you with the narrow focus. Actually blinders would be a more apt term.
No it is not a Myth, it is an analogy.
I don't care about what history you know. Has it done you any bit of good?
The theme remains the same, the world wants freedom, and are willing to die for it.
Humanity has a chance to take a stand against the corruption, and it is standing.
Tell me another time in history, that so many revolutions have occured by so many different people, in such a short time span?
Diploid can believe what he wants, that doesn't lend any credence to your obtuse argument.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: teknix]
#14022717 - 02/24/11 09:54 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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I don't care about what history you know. Has it done you any bit of good?
Well it's allowed me to retire at 55 with all the money I'll ever need for one thing.
I was not aware that so many revolutions were taking place. And nothing so far has changed much from any that I know of. 
I think you are very out of touch with "humanity".
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#14022933 - 02/24/11 10:33 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Just to mention a few . . . . .
Egypt:
http://www.newuniversity.org/2011/02/news/revolution-in-egypt/
Bahrain:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1112904/1/.html
Greece:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/02/23/2011-02-23_greek_protests_heat_up_as_rioters_turn_violent_throw_petrol_bomb_on_policeman_wh.html
Libya:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,747234,00.html
Iran:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-h-foxman/iran-and-egypt-the-story_b_826543.html
Tunisia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12157599
London:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/news/2010/12/10/students-on-rampage-after-uni-fees-vote-goes-through-115875-22773312/
Rome:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/13/thousands-italian-women-berlusconi-protest-687524035/?test=latestnews
France:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2010/1020/France-riots-continue-protesters-block-airports
Cairo:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/500-injured-as-mubarak-supporters-riot-in-cairo-20110203-1ae41.html
Spain:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/21/morocco-riots-five-dead
India:
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-03/world/india.pig.religious.riot_1_mysore-rioting-muslims-and-hindus?_s=PM:WORLD
In the past couple of months, there have been riots in Chile, Albania, Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, England, Ivory Coast, Morocco, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen
http://www.thebraziltimes.com/blogs/1487/entry/39563/
You sir, are the one living under a rock.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: teknix]
#14024073 - 02/25/11 05:51 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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I'll bet you can find at least that many going on in the 60s,70s,80s etc. Protests and revolts like that have been going on forever and are a dime a dozen and I've seen hundreds in my lifetime.
Like I always say "most humans believe that history begins and ends with their lifetime" http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=are+there+more+revolts+now+than+at+other+times+in+history&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=are+there+more+revolts+now+than+at+other+times+in+history&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivnsb&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=z6ZnTcP1JpK6sQPcwsmmBA&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CFQQ5wIwCg&bav=on.1,or.&fp=d18fa4a7e898769c
As you can see there have been mass revolts in the last hundred years and basically a steady increase as population increases and there were more in the early 2000s.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: teknix]
#14024416 - 02/25/11 08:46 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Guys, will you be trying to convince everyone of your revolution? Is that how it works?
Wake up.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: daytripper23]
#14024613 - 02/25/11 09:49 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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The revolution is what got us here.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14024705 - 02/25/11 10:17 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said: "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
So your future is predetermined most likely.
You are not helpful at all. Is it so difficult to answer a question, or you do that selectively, answering only those which would make you more of something.
And what about my future, to use your logic? How can you say that you know anything about my future if you do not know my history?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14024708 - 02/25/11 10:18 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Us? I was born in the late 80's.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: ivander]
#14024794 - 02/25/11 10:37 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said: "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
So your future is predetermined most likely.
You are not helpful at all. Is it so difficult to answer a question, or you do that selectively, answering only those which would make you more of something.
And what about my future, to use your logic? How can you say that you know anything about my future if you do not know my history?
Is my job here to be helpful to you? And everything is a best guess. For instance I don't know your future but from the history of all other humans I can say with some assurance you will never be a Superman and you will die. Learning from history is one of the most important things you can do imo.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: daytripper23]
#14024800 - 02/25/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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daytripper23 said: Us? I was born in the late 80's.
I was talking about the American Revolution.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14024840 - 02/25/11 10:51 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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So what?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14024875 - 02/25/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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For instance I don't know your future but from the history of all other humans I can say with some assurance you will never be a Superman and you will die.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: daytripper23]
#14024877 - 02/25/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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It's what got us here. And now we need another revolution from the aftermath of that one.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14024889 - 02/25/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Icelander said: "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
So your future is predetermined most likely.
You are not helpful at all. Is it so difficult to answer a question, or you do that selectively, answering only those which would make you more of something.
And what about my future, to use your logic? How can you say that you know anything about my future if you do not know my history?
Is my job here to be helpful to you? And everything is a best guess. For instance I don't know your future but from the history of all other humans I can say with some assurance you will never be a Superman and you will die. Learning from history is one of the most important things you can do imo.
If its not your job to be helpful, then why are you unhelpful? You are quick to jump around, and turn around discussion as you see fit. Are we now talking about history of the world, or history of american revolution or history of 'corrupted' teachers? To say my future is predetermined and conclude that I will die and not be a superman is equal to me saying 2+2=4. So I cant really grasp why did you said that in the first place. I do not live in the US, and I am just curious about the effects and reasons these people are on the streets? And I find it reasonable just to ask, rather, then to attend a history lessons. If you cant or wont provide an answer, then pls dont.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: ivander]
#14024924 - 02/25/11 11:11 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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You are quick to jump around, and turn around discussion as you see fit.
Indeed I am as is everyone else here. If you don't like it then you don't have to respond to my posts, it's very simple.
In no way am I being unhelpful to you. You seem to demand a certain response but I'm here for my own reasons and not yours. And imo once you do understand human history most of it is 2+2=4 but if you ignore it you don't know what the equation is.
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