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FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added)
#14020488 - 02/24/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This has to be the most important info i have ever posted in the Physical and Mental Well-Being forum:
Advice: just watch the documentary called: FOOD MATERS
It contains the most fundamental of all health info i have ever seen.
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Re: FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added) [Re: Sterile]
#15902927 - 03/05/12 09:38 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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It doesn't take alot of education in the basic nutritional sciences to realize how much propoganda and misinformation is supported in this film.
Don't watch this piece of crap film, unless you want a bunch of herbalists and raw food businessmen lying to you telling you that vitamins are the magical cure-all.
This movie takes advantage of people who aren't very educated into buying into their philosophies.
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Re: FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#15904464 - 03/05/12 04:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said: It doesn't take alot of education in the basic nutritional sciences to realize how much propoganda and misinformation is supported in this film.
Don't watch this piece of crap film, unless you want a bunch of herbalists and raw food businessmen lying to you telling you that vitamins are the magical cure-all.
This movie takes advantage of people who aren't very educated into buying into their philosophies.
Which part of the film do you feel is related to propaganda?
The message i saw coming out of this film was: Eat organic healthy food, drink lots of water and exercise.
Which part did you feel is misinformation or lies?
Do you have any proof that vitamins do NOT help fight various health problems? If i remember correct they talk about a few studies and scientists and their findings...
Please feel free to show me it is wrong to believe the statements in this documentary. I am ready to be convinced.
If as you say "It doesn't take alot of education in the basic nutritional sciences to realize how much propoganda and misinformation is supported in this film" it shouldn't be very difficult to prove it.
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Re: FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added) [Re: Sterile]
#15906426 - 03/05/12 09:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sterile said:
Which part of the film do you feel is related to propaganda?
Where to begin? Here's a blatant lie told at the VERY BEGINNING of the film:
"Less than 6% of US Medical Doctors receive any formal training in nutrition"
Complete lie. Nutrition is a required course for EVERYONE training to be a board-certified medical doctor. It's one of the core courses in every single medical school in the country.
I mean the fact that they lie right off the bat to that degree should set off warning signs...but let's continue.
Another one of the interviewees is a naturopathic doctor criticizing modern medicine...a quote verbatum:
"Surgery doesn't help anyone. How would cutting someone open help them at all?"
That's just the stupidest statement anyone could possibly make. Surgical procedures across the board can be life saving, the examples are pretty much everywhere. This isn't even remotely debatable.
But the whole reason surgery is criticized by naturpathic doctors is because there isn't any sort of similar or nearly definitive treatment providable by naturopathic doctors themselves. Surgery is the greatest single proof of the progress of science in modern medicine, and the single greatest debunker of people claiming comparable efficacy by herbal treatments.
If you get shot in the chest or break a bone, you're not going to rush to an herbal doctor to give you supplements. No. You go to a surgeon with actual knowledge of your own anatomy and physiology who can go in and physically fix the structural damage caused by various forms of trauma. There isn't jack shit that an herbal doctor can do.
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The message i saw coming out of this film was: Eat organic healthy food, drink lots of water and exercise.
Which part did you feel is misinformation or lies?
The "eat healthy" part is obviously common knowledge to be beneficial for anyone's health. But to suggest as they do in the film, that it can prevent and cure all forms of illness is just absurd and completely baseless.
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Do you have any proof that vitamins do NOT help fight various health problems? If i remember correct they talk about a few studies and scientists and their findings...
Please feel free to show me it is wrong to believe the statements in this documentary. I am ready to be convinced.
There aren't any real official studies proving alot of the claims of vitamin's ability to cure disease. Like with most alternative medicines, the evidence is provided in anecdotal stories. Not a single double blind trial or prospective study with statistical p-value analysis has ever shown that vitamin treatment can cure cancer.
The thing is, vitamins have already been studied to an incredible depth. We know their exact molecular structures, how and where in the body they're absorbed, and exactly what co-factors they are converted to, and the exact precised molecular and enzymatic function of every single vitamin.
We know what deficiencies result in, as well as overdoses. Again that's another huge thing that this movie fails to address. They support treatments such as direct IV infusions of various vitamins and what not. But YOU CAN OVERDOSE on pretty much all vitamins as well. And these are very detrimental to your health.
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If as you say "It doesn't take alot of education in the basic nutritional sciences to realize how much propoganda and misinformation is supported in this film" it shouldn't be very difficult to prove it.
I can go on for a while, which I will tommorrow. But for now I will simply say that you should look at the people being interviewed in this movie.
-One person is the founder of the Raw Foods Store, a website that sells all kinds of quackery and expensive supplements with zero real physiologic efficacy. He runs a sham.
-One person is a so-called "physician", when in actuality if you look at his degree, his so called "medical doctorate" came from a naturopathic school, which is a 2 year program that doesn't even require any previous undergraduate education in basic sciences.
-One person is the founder of the Gerson therapy. Another quackery naturopathic treatment which states that cancer can be treated by pumping coffee enemas up your rectum.
I think that should throw up some red flags for you.
This movie (despite the title) is not about the benefits of eating organic food or diet. The contents of the movie itself is basically nothing but naturpathic and alternative medicine professionals trying to draw more relevance and validity to their own enterprises by slandering modern medicine and the scientific community as a whole.
And to say that Hippocrates is the "father of modern medicine" (which this movie proclaims him as) is just completely bullshit. The amount of advents in science, medicine, nutrition, physiology, and genetics discovered came long after his time.
Yet they claim that since Hippocrates is the "father of modern medicine", somehow modern science and scientific medicine has deviated away from their so-called "founder" is just propoganda in it's purest form.
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Re: FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added) [Re: Sterile]
#15906465 - 03/05/12 10:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another form of propoganda in this film is the example with Niacin.
They claim that giving Niacin to former alcoholics helped cure their dementia.
But they fail to mention how:
1. Most alcoholics depend on alcohol as a form of caloric intake. So of course they're going to develop vitamin deficiencies
2. Alcohol itself blocks the body's ability to absorb vitamin B3
So giving Niacin to these patients is actually replacing what was a vitamin deficiency in itself. Not some kind of magical medicine that can fix all forms of dementia of various pathologies, which this film claims it can.
Again, major propoganda.
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Re: FOOD MATTERS-(Edit:video added) [Re: Sterile]
#15906982 - 03/05/12 11:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have seen no evidence that organic food is any more healthy than "inorganic" food. Michael Pollan talks about it in his book "In Defense of Food: an Eater's Manifesto." The basic conclusion is that while the farming methods may be different, there is no definitive proof that they are any more healthy, and they even may be less so.
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I agree in that the whole "eating organic" vs "GMOs" is blown out of proportion.
Theres alot of very non-scientific talk about how bad GMOs are supposedly for you. Some GMOs simply replace a single amino acid structure just so that certain fruits become more resistant to freeze damage.
Yet you see posters made showing fruits and produce portrayed as hideous mutants, that nutjob Bill Maher saying you're eating steroids and poisons, and preaching the whole raw foods movement, which is just the latest money-making dietary fad.
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