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obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional
    #14020360 - 02/24/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703775704576162441655208626.html


WTF DUDE. does this guy just show he is completely insane or what?? I mean the guy is a fucking moron. he changes his mind every single week. we should legalize marijuana, we should criminalize marijuana. we should legalize same sex marriage, wait a minute, we should incriminate same sex marriage. WTF!!


god damn, the guy is fucking adam west, he is a nutball. OH MY GOD WE VOTED IN ANOTHER BUSH:foreheadslap:
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #14020394 - 02/24/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

umm... you realize the article is about saying not allowing same sex marriage is unconstitutional right?

Not that same sex marriage is. But that the banning of it is.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14020402 - 02/24/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: waves]
    #14020432 - 02/24/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Tymo has it right.

I missed the confirmation hearing when Obama appointed himself to be a Supreme Court majority.  They told us we were heading towards an Imperial Presidency and they were right.  Just 8 years early.  Ignoring judges (Health Deform, illegal drilling moratorium) and Congress (this), the Emperor has less and less clothing every day.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: waves]
    #14020456 - 02/24/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The Obama administration said Wednesday it believed a federal law defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman violated the Constitution, in a major reversal that could stand as a landmark in changing U.S. attitudes toward gay rights.




Did you even read the article?





so I'm right then?? when I read it I could have sworn it was saying obama reversed his policy, saying gays shouldn't be allowed to be married because of constitutional rights? not the other way around right?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14020474 - 02/24/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Obama may be waffling on some things, but that's politics.  I still believe he is going to look out for the common man more than the republicans.  It's like he said, change takes time. 

You want to talk about drilling moratorium?  Natural Gas drillers are using hydraulic fracturing all over the U.S.  In turn this is also polluting ground water that HUMANS rely on for drinking water.  They are using bullying and strong arm tactics and even lying to Congress.  If you found your drinking water ruined you'd be pretty bummed.  Property values goodbye not to mention drinking carcinogens and neurotoxic chemicals.

I'm not kidding.  Look at the science.  it is all there.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #14020475 - 02/24/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The Obama administration has decided that it is unconstitutional to forbid gay marriage through the Defense of Marriage Act and will not defend the act in court.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14020839 - 02/24/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The Obama administration has decided that it is unconstitutional to forbid gay marriage through the Defense of Marriage Act and will not defend the act in court.




geez, I sure read the article wrong. insane.


yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.


when did the obama administration decide they were going to try and ban gay marriage in the first place? I'm WAY out of the swing of things.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14021175 - 02/24/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well he always said he was against gay marriage but the DOMA isn't his.  I'm not going to look up how he voted on it because I really don't give a fuck except to the extent that he thinks he's the Emperor of the USA.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14022218 - 02/24/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah the guy is a real fucking boy scout. I still feel so relieved when I think of how bush is gone and that we are finally rid of him with a new president. lol :lol:

I guess we didn't get too far, lmao, but oh well is obama better than nothing? oh well...


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14022382 - 02/24/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is he really better than nothing?

All hail president nothing!


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14022452 - 02/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Haha wow...you are too much


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: waves]
    #14022505 - 02/24/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

;.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: waves]
    #14025375 - 02/25/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

haha ha

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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14047673 - 03/01/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's a step forward, anyway. Obama has apparently been "wrestling" with the concept of marriage equality for some time. So this is likely to be part of a slow climb-down from his current position (civil unions for gays, marriage for straights; "separate but equal").
He knows he'll need the gay vote in 2012, so it's a cynical move, but not an unwelcome one.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Ygor]
    #14048259 - 03/01/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's a step forward, anyway. Obama has apparently been "wrestling" with the concept of marriage equality for some time. So this is likely to be part of a slow climb-down from his current position (civil unions for gays, marriage for straights; "separate but equal").
He knows he'll need the gay vote in 2012, so it's a cynical move, but not an unwelcome one.




I agree. I just wish he'd spend less time wrestling with gays and more time making me feel all warm and hopeful.  I mean, this is why we live in democratized civilization, so that we don't have to go out on the street to make our voices heard - we have a full choice of who to vote for every few years and if it weren't for all the people who don't even begin to think about what it is that all the other people making do without it really is all about, isn't it?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: MushyHobo]
    #14048852 - 03/01/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if it weren't for all the people who don't even begin to think about what it is that all the other people making do without it really is all about, isn't it?




Uh, could you say that again? More coherently?:confused:


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14048901 - 03/01/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.




This is more or less the exact opposite of the truth.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14048925 - 03/01/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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imachavel said:
yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.




This is more or less the exact opposite of the truth.



I agree.  He is a semi-cagey scumbag with evil intentions but not nuts.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14048928 - 03/01/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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imachavel said:
yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.




This is more or less the exact opposite of the truth.




I'm in total agreement there.  He's the ultimate Rorschach test.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049395 - 03/01/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Lord Amok said:
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imachavel said:
yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.




This is more or less the exact opposite of the truth.



I agree.  He is a semi-cagey scumbag with evil intentions but not nuts.



In other words, a politician.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Lord Amok]
    #14057442 - 03/02/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14058553 - 03/03/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's a difference, I think, between enforcing a law and defending said law when it is in challenged in court.

But hey, I'm not even American, I'm not gonna try and understand your legal system.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14058603 - 03/03/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...



Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
    #14058636 - 03/03/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703775704576162441655208626.html


WTF DUDE. does this guy just show he is completely insane or what?? I mean the guy is a fucking moron. he changes his mind every single week. we should legalize marijuana, we should criminalize marijuana. we should legalize same sex marriage, wait a minute, we should incriminate same sex marriage. WTF!!


god damn, the guy is fucking adam west, he is a nutball. OH MY GOD WE VOTED IN ANOTHER BUSH:foreheadslap:
:stanhopefacepalm:  :homerdoh3:




Wow dude. Seeing what you want to see much? Do you just glance at the headlines and throw hissy fits or do you actually read the whole articles?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14058902 - 03/03/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...



Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20035495-504564.html
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President Obama decided the Justice Department no longer would defend DOMA after concluding the law was unconstitutional, administration officials said. Attorney General Eric Holder notified House Speaker John Boehner of the President's decision in a letter today, explaining that the administration believed the law violated equal protection principles, because it treats gays and lesbians differently than heterosexual couples. The government, he said, has no compelling reason for doing that.

"This is a rare case where the proper course is to forgo the defense of this statute," Holder said in the letter.


But the decision represents an about-face for the administration, which for two years had defended the statute against legal challenges by same-sex married couples. Holder said two new lawsuits had prompted the President and the Justice Department to "conduct a new examination" of the law, which blocks entitlement of federal benefits even in states where gays and lesbians have a right to marry.




it's federal law, which trumps state laws. it would be like obama saying that the fed is no longer going to pursue criminals for violating federal marijuana prohibition laws because states have decriminalized it or made medical pot legal. it makes sense, but it is not legal to disregard federal law on a whim.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Ygor]
    #14058961 - 03/03/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's a difference, I think, between enforcing a law and defending said law when it is in challenged in court.

But hey, I'm not even American, I'm not gonna try and understand your legal system.



It is part of the justice department's job description to perform just exactly that task.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14062251 - 03/03/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...



Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20035495-504564.html
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President Obama decided the Justice Department no longer would defend DOMA after concluding the law was unconstitutional, administration officials said. Attorney General Eric Holder notified House Speaker John Boehner of the President's decision in a letter today, explaining that the administration believed the law violated equal protection principles, because it treats gays and lesbians differently than heterosexual couples. The government, he said, has no compelling reason for doing that.

"This is a rare case where the proper course is to forgo the defense of this statute," Holder said in the letter.


But the decision represents an about-face for the administration, which for two years had defended the statute against legal challenges by same-sex married couples. Holder said two new lawsuits had prompted the President and the Justice Department to "conduct a new examination" of the law, which blocks entitlement of federal benefits even in states where gays and lesbians have a right to marry.




it's federal law, which trumps state laws. it would be like obama saying that the fed is no longer going to pursue criminals for violating federal marijuana prohibition laws because states have decriminalized it or made medical pot legal. it makes sense, but it is not legal to disregard federal law on a whim.



But DOMA doesn't criminalize anything. It just gives states the right to ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause on the issue of gay marriage. It does not criminalize gay marriage. Your analogy does not work. I ask again, how does one enforce such a law?

And it is not like no longer prosecuting criminals for breaking the law. It's like not hiring a lawyer in a civil suit.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064037 - 03/04/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064095 - 03/04/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.



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Screaming Eagle said:
Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.



Okay... I'll bite.

For comparative purposes:


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064109 - 03/04/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

THAT GARBAGE IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!


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    #14064151 - 03/04/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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THAT GARBAGE IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!



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Screaming Eagle said:
THAT GARBAGE IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!



Ya know, i thought that too.I looked at my birth certificate. They aren't anything alike. I wondered if the fact that I was born in North Carolina would make a difference?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064179 - 03/04/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What would you know about AMERICAN birth certificates, commie?! Go back to MOTHER RUSSIA so you can stand in a bread LINE for a week!


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064830 - 03/04/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What would you know about AMERICAN birth certificates, commie?! Go back to MOTHER RUSSIA so you can stand in a bread LINE for a week!



Hey man, I was agreeing with you. And I guess being born in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina doesn't make me American enough, huh?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064853 - 03/04/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it does not matter. it's the law, and he can't just decide to stop enforcing it. that's the point.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14064870 - 03/04/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it does not matter. it's the law, and he can't just decide to stop enforcing it. that's the point.



You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064891 - 03/04/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14064908 - 03/04/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.



Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14065042 - 03/04/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:rofl2:


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14065092 - 03/04/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.





Since it has been decided DOMA is unconstitutional it cannot legally be defended.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: TheThinker]
    #14065962 - 03/04/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Decided by whom? That is the problem. The president is not the arbiter of whatis and is not constitutional. The supreme court is...


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14065975 - 03/04/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Decided by whom? That is the problem. The president is the the arbiter of whatis and is not constitutional. The supreme court is...





No problem. The President took an oath to defend the constitution. He and his staff have decided DOMA is unconstitutional. If this gets challenged then the SCOTUS will make the final determination. It's how things work.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066010 - 03/04/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Decided by whom? That is the problem. The president is the the arbiter of whatis and is not constitutional. The supreme court is...





No problem. The President took an oath to defend the constitution. He and his staff have decided DOMA is unconstitutional. If this gets challenged then the SCOTUS will make the final determination. It's how things work.




Checks and balances, I believe.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14066012 - 03/04/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.



Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.



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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.



Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.




Okay,you win the semantics argument. I don't think it makes their stance any more legal though. And once again I support same sex marriage, just not sure if they're going about this the right way.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066598 - 03/04/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Decided by whom? That is the problem. The president is the the arbiter of whatis and is not constitutional. The supreme court is...





No problem. The President took an oath to defend the constitution. He and his staff have decided DOMA is unconstitutional. If this gets challenged then the SCOTUS will make the final determination. It's how things work.




That most certainly is not how things work. Neither he, nor his staff, gets to decide what is and what is not constitutional.

Congress passes a law. This has occurred.
A president signs or vetoes it. This has occurred.
The courts, if the law is challenged, decides the constitutionality of the law. This has not occurred.

Until a court has spoken, the Obamanation is bound by that law whether he likes it or not.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14075516 - 03/06/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Until a court has spoken, the Obamanation is bound by that law whether he likes it or not.



I'm not sure you are clear on things.  A Federal Court did rule that a section of it violated the Constitution.  If I recall they said it violated equal protection, the 10th Amendment and Congress did not have the authority to pass it using the Spending Clause.  Obama is now not going to appeal it, he certainly has that right...  Congress can fight it if they want, hell its a purely Legislative Action on the States anyways it has nothing to do with Obama.  Its just an abuse of the Spending Clause as I see it.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Chespirito]
    #14075547 - 03/06/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just know this is going to shock you. /end sarcasm

Speaker John A. Boehner announced Friday that the House would fight to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act in court, a little more than a week after President Obama's Justice Department said it would no longer defend the constitutionality of the law, which bans federal recognition of same-sex marriages.

The move marks another detour into contentious cultural issues for the House Republican leadership as it tries to whittle down the federal deficit, and with polls showing Americans most concerned about the economy.
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Last year, a federal judge ruled the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional in the face of challenges by same-sex couples and the state of Massachusetts. Two federal lawsuits in New York are also challenging it.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/117452973.html


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Chespirito]
    #14075548 - 03/06/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Until a court has spoken, the Obamanation is bound by that law whether he likes it or not.



I'm not sure you are clear on things.  A Federal Court did rule that a section of it violated the Constitution.  If I recall they said it violated equal protection, the 10th Amendment and Congress did not have the authority to pass it using the Spending Clause.  Obama is now not going to appeal it, he certainly has that right...  Congress can fight it if they want, hell its a purely Legislative Action on the States anyways it has nothing to do with Obama.  Its just an abuse of the Spending Clause as I see it.



They are responsible for filing appeals, too.  Congress already pays the Justice Department to do so.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075575 - 03/06/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

People are acting as if the President must do something, that is silly.  That's my only point, the Justice Department can tell Congress to go fuck itself forcing Congress to appeal the case


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Chespirito]
    #14075595 - 03/06/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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People are acting as if the President must do something, that is silly.  That's my only point, the Justice Department can tell Congress to go fuck itself forcing Congress to appeal the case



No.  The President and the entire Executive Branch is subservient to the Legislature.  The Justice Department can also have every fucking dollar cut off by Congress.  Do you even live in this country?


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075639 - 03/06/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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People are acting as if the President must do something, that is silly.  That's my only point, the Justice Department can tell Congress to go fuck itself forcing Congress to appeal the case



No.  The President and the entire Executive Branch is subservient to the Legislature.  The Justice Department can also have every fucking dollar cut off by Congress.  Do you even live in this country?



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People are acting as if the President must do something, that is silly.  That's my only point, the Justice Department can tell Congress to go fuck itself forcing Congress to appeal the case



No.  The President and the entire Executive Branch is subservient to the Legislature.  The Justice Department can also have every fucking dollar cut off by Congress.  Do you even live in this country?





:grin:

That's not as easy as you seem to think it is.
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) is planning to offer an amendment to slash as much funding to the Department of Justice as would have been used to defend the Defense of Marriage Act.

"What I intend to do, and there are other solutions that are offered, and I believe that the Speaker is focused on this, as well ... is to offer an amendment on an appropriations bill that would cut the funding to the Department of Justice in an amount yet to be determined that would be equivalent to that amount that they would otherwise use to defend the Defense of Marriage Act," King said Tuesday.

Last week President Obama announced that the department would stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits same-sex unions.

Congressional Republicans have threatened to continue to defend the law even without the DoJ. In an interview released earlier this week House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said that he and his Republican colleagues were considering a number of ways of defending the law.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/147133-rep-king-to-offer-amendment-to-slash-doj-funding-equal-to-cost-of-doma-defense


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: TheThinker]
    #14075650 - 03/06/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Whaddaya mean?  Of course it has to pass but that's what they're trying to do, right?

By the way, I had not seen that prior to you posting it.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
    #14077357 - 03/06/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.



Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.



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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.



Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.




Okay,you win the semantics argument. I don't think it makes their stance any more legal though. And once again I support same sex marriage, just not sure if they're going about this the right way.



And I don't think that it matters one way or the other what you or I think about it. Whichever way it goes, it goes. As a great President once said "Well, when the President does it that means that it is not illegal". So, unless someone actually calls him on it, which i kinda doubt will happen, it's moot.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14077945 - 03/06/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Numerous republican house/senate members have called himout on it. Some are calling for his impeachment over it.


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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
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Can't we all just play The Gay Marriage Video Game and get along -


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