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Lord Amok
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: zappaisgod]
#14049395 - 03/01/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said: yeah, I used to like Obama, and he has done some fair things no else would have had the balls to do. but he is also a nut ball, and every time I read the press I'm expecting to hear some more crazy shit. I mean maybe the guy has good intentions, but is a damn nut ball.
This is more or less the exact opposite of the truth.
I agree. He is a semi-cagey scumbag with evil intentions but not nuts.
In other words, a politician.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Lord Amok]
#14057442 - 03/02/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...
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Ygor
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14058553 - 03/03/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's a difference, I think, between enforcing a law and defending said law when it is in challenged in court.
But hey, I'm not even American, I'm not gonna try and understand your legal system.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14058603 - 03/03/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...
Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: imachavel]
#14058636 - 03/03/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703775704576162441655208626.html
WTF DUDE. does this guy just show he is completely insane or what?? I mean the guy is a fucking moron. he changes his mind every single week. we should legalize marijuana, we should criminalize marijuana. we should legalize same sex marriage, wait a minute, we should incriminate same sex marriage. WTF!!
god damn, the guy is fucking adam west, he is a nutball. OH MY GOD WE VOTED IN ANOTHER BUSH 
Wow dude. Seeing what you want to see much? Do you just glance at the headlines and throw hissy fits or do you actually read the whole articles?
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14058902 - 03/03/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...
Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20035495-504564.html
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President Obama decided the Justice Department no longer would defend DOMA after concluding the law was unconstitutional, administration officials said. Attorney General Eric Holder notified House Speaker John Boehner of the President's decision in a letter today, explaining that the administration believed the law violated equal protection principles, because it treats gays and lesbians differently than heterosexual couples. The government, he said, has no compelling reason for doing that.
"This is a rare case where the proper course is to forgo the defense of this statute," Holder said in the letter.
But the decision represents an about-face for the administration, which for two years had defended the statute against legal challenges by same-sex married couples. Holder said two new lawsuits had prompted the President and the Justice Department to "conduct a new examination" of the law, which blocks entitlement of federal benefits even in states where gays and lesbians have a right to marry.
it's federal law, which trumps state laws. it would be like obama saying that the fed is no longer going to pursue criminals for violating federal marijuana prohibition laws because states have decriminalized it or made medical pot legal. it makes sense, but it is not legal to disregard federal law on a whim.
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zappaisgod
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Ygor]
#14058961 - 03/03/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ygor said: There's a difference, I think, between enforcing a law and defending said law when it is in challenged in court.
But hey, I'm not even American, I'm not gonna try and understand your legal system.
It is part of the justice department's job description to perform just exactly that task.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14062251 - 03/03/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Interesting how obama and holder have now decided not to uphold the defense of marriage act. I'm in support of legalizing marriage for anybody but they can't just go around picking and choosing which laws to enforce without the backing of the congress/senate/supreme court...
Wait, what? How does one go about enforcing a law that says that states can ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution in the case of gay marriage? "Oh shit, Vermont, these people have a Massachusetts marriage certificate, and you are letting them count as married, as per the Constitution? That is not allowed. You will now pay us $5 million"?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20035495-504564.html
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President Obama decided the Justice Department no longer would defend DOMA after concluding the law was unconstitutional, administration officials said. Attorney General Eric Holder notified House Speaker John Boehner of the President's decision in a letter today, explaining that the administration believed the law violated equal protection principles, because it treats gays and lesbians differently than heterosexual couples. The government, he said, has no compelling reason for doing that.
"This is a rare case where the proper course is to forgo the defense of this statute," Holder said in the letter.
But the decision represents an about-face for the administration, which for two years had defended the statute against legal challenges by same-sex married couples. Holder said two new lawsuits had prompted the President and the Justice Department to "conduct a new examination" of the law, which blocks entitlement of federal benefits even in states where gays and lesbians have a right to marry.
it's federal law, which trumps state laws. it would be like obama saying that the fed is no longer going to pursue criminals for violating federal marijuana prohibition laws because states have decriminalized it or made medical pot legal. it makes sense, but it is not legal to disregard federal law on a whim.
But DOMA doesn't criminalize anything. It just gives states the right to ignore the Full Faith and Credit Clause on the issue of gay marriage. It does not criminalize gay marriage. Your analogy does not work. I ask again, how does one enforce such a law?
And it is not like no longer prosecuting criminals for breaking the law. It's like not hiring a lawyer in a civil suit.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14064037 - 03/04/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Screaming Eagle]
#14064095 - 03/04/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Screaming Eagle said: Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.
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Screaming Eagle said: Barack HUSSEIN Obama can take away my rights when that camel jockey shows me his birth certificate.
Okay... I'll bite.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14064109 - 03/04/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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THAT GARBAGE IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Screaming Eagle]
#14064151 - 03/04/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Screaming Eagle said: THAT GARBAGE IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!
Ya know, i thought that too.I looked at my birth certificate. They aren't anything alike. I wondered if the fact that I was born in North Carolina would make a difference?
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14064179 - 03/04/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What would you know about AMERICAN birth certificates, commie?! Go back to MOTHER RUSSIA so you can stand in a bread LINE for a week!
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: Screaming Eagle]
#14064830 - 03/04/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Screaming Eagle said: What would you know about AMERICAN birth certificates, commie?! Go back to MOTHER RUSSIA so you can stand in a bread LINE for a week!
Hey man, I was agreeing with you. And I guess being born in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina doesn't make me American enough, huh?
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14064853 - 03/04/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it does not matter. it's the law, and he can't just decide to stop enforcing it. that's the point.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14064870 - 03/04/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: it does not matter. it's the law, and he can't just decide to stop enforcing it. that's the point.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14064891 - 03/04/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14064908 - 03/04/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.
Yes. But that is not "enforcing" the law.
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: phoxyilluminata]
#14065042 - 03/04/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: obama says same sex marriage is unconstitutional [Re: JT]
#14065092 - 03/04/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: defending it legally. is that better? if there is a lawsuit where a same sex couple comes into another state who were married, and their new state does not support same sex marriage, they will not defend the law in court.
Since it has been decided DOMA is unconstitutional it cannot legally be defended.
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